Samsung permanently stops Galaxy Note 7 production

[alucasa]

Whoever was/is in charge of the phone project is as good as dead then.

 

[dorsetknob]

 

[FreedomEclipse]

i am involved with the e cig industry and have been for the last eight years.. so i know about this stuff.. firstly company xx does a recall.. in truth they are saying send us back your "fire hazards" think about it.. he he

And I have worked for Royal Mail for many years as well as doing a short stint in DHL and have friends still in the business. So 'I know all about this stuff' as well. Unless you have worked for a courier or postal company, you might not know the inner workings and procedures/policies that many of us have had to follow.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

"Unfortunately, this is very far from the case, and the fact that Samsung appeared to still be shipping defective devices could trigger a large loss of faith in Samsung products.""

I doubt this statement very much..... its scaremongering. Have any S6's or S7's caught fire yet??? There are probably the odd isolated incidents with people using dodgy 3rd party chargers have had their phones blow up, but for the better part S6's & 7's have been quite successful. The Note 7 will mark a rather dark time in Samsung's product history But I dont see their TVs, PC montors, laptops, DVD Players, Hi-fi's/Audio products, digital Cameras & other shit they do suddenly internally combust. A few reports of tumble dryers blowing up but tumble dryers always get a little hot anyway so are always a risk.

Just the media spreading FUD.

 

[eidairaman1]

"Unfortunately, this is very far from the case, and the fact that Samsung appeared to still be shipping defective devices could trigger a large loss of faith in Samsung products.""

I doubt this statement very much..... its scaremongering. Have any S6's or S7's caught fire yet??? There are probably the odd isolated incidents with people using dodgy 3rd party chargers have had their phones blow up, but for the better part S6's & 7's have been quite successful. The Note 7 will mark a rather dark time in Samsung's product history But I dont see their TVs, PC montors, laptops, DVD Players, Hi-fi's/Audio products, digital Cameras & other shit they do suddenly internally combust. A few reports of tumble dryers blowing up but tumble dryers always get a little hot anyway so are always a risk.

Just the media spreading FUD.

Their washers have come apart too.

I think they maybe need to go back to removable batteries.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

I think they maybe need to go back to removable batteries.

They should have not stopped in the first place. Note 4 was the last good note. the S7 Edge was like a sudo-note 6. Maybe they should stop trying to push new flagship handsets out every year and have them every 2-3 years instead. That way new ideas, features & designs dont get old so quickly. Because All i see is them constantly trying to re-create the smartphone by making small changes here and there -- Hardware aside which is always going to be more uptodate etc etc. If they cant find something innovative about the design then they will shove a bunch of features onto it that nobody well ever use in order to make the device sound more flashy high-teky and desirable.

 

[Totally]

If you cant use a phone on an aircraft why do they have pricing policies for onboard wi-fi ?

Because phones are not the only devices that use Wi-Fi. Laptops and tablets do exist.

They should have not stopped in the first place. Note 4 was the last good note. the S7 Edge was like a sudo-note 6. Maybe they should stop trying to push new flagship handsets out every year and have them every 2-3 years instead. That way new ideas, features & designs dont get old so quickly. Because All i see is them constantly trying to re-create the smartphone by making small changes here and there -- Hardware aside which is always going to be more uptodate etc etc. If they cant find something innovative about the design then they will shove a bunch of features onto it that nobody well ever use in order to make the device sound more flashy high-teky and desirable.

You just faulted them for exactly the same thing apple does.

 

[Disco5]

Was going to buy a Fire Stick to light the wood fire at home with, but a Samsung Note7 might be cheaper?

 

[eidairaman1]

They should have not stopped in the first place. Note 4 was the last good note. the S7 Edge was like a sudo-note 6. Maybe they should stop trying to push new flagship handsets out every year and have them every 2-3 years instead. That way new ideas, features & designs dont get old so quickly. Because All i see is them constantly trying to re-create the smartphone by making small changes here and there -- Hardware aside which is always going to be more uptodate etc etc. If they cant find something innovative about the design then they will shove a bunch of features onto it that nobody well ever use in order to make the device sound more flashy high-teky and desirable.

I just got a S5 this year brand new- unlocked, T-Mobile Edition SM-G900T- its a great phone however just like AT&T and Verizon they are trying to push an update that prevents phones from being downgraded when issues arrise- I just need to root it and remove the update package so it doesnt pester me.

Look at it this way, Android 7 Nougate is finally getting features that samsung has had for years for Most of the other hand sets out there

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Because phones are not the only devices that use Wi-Fi. Laptops and tablets do exist.



You just faulted them for exactly the same thing apple does.

Because thats how capitalism works. Ever tried telling Ford to stop making cars or Nvidia to stop making graphics cards? Its not going to happen. Another proof of what sheep people are is Call of Duty, Activision have been selling people the exact same game under all the remapped turd brown textures for almost a decade and people still buy the game.

 

[Caring1]

I doubt this statement very much..... its scaremongering. Have any S6's or S7's caught fire yet??? There are probably the odd isolated incidents with people using dodgy 3rd party chargers have had their phones blow up, but for the better part S6's & 7's have been quite successful. The Note 7 will mark a rather dark time in Samsung's product history But I dont see their TVs, PC montors, laptops, DVD Players, Hi-fi's/Audio products, digital Cameras & other shit they do suddenly internally combust. A few reports of tumble dryers blowing up but tumble dryers always get a little hot anyway so are always a risk.

Just the media spreading FUD.

And a few Samsung front loader washing machines spontaneously combust too, so they issue warnings and a recall for them also.
Funny thing I noticed recently was a position advertised recently for a customer satisfaction agent for Samsung locally, I guess the last one was overwhelmed.

 

[trog100]

i think samsung are simply unlucky.. but stopping production on new a flagship phone is a biggy.. its gonna have ripple effects..

i have followed the lithium battery issue for the last few years.. its been a disaster waiting to happen.. i think its just happened..

these things catch fire for very simple reasons.. something causes a short circuit and all that stored energy trying to escape all at once generates enough heat to set things on fire.. the scary part is it can happen at any time with no warning..

part of the problem seems to be making all these things as thin as they can be.. the screen area gets bigger but the device (whatever it is) gets thinner.. the thinner it gets the less space there is for the battery and all the electronic bits plus the more the whole thing flexes..

making larger more robust devices would help the safely angle but that aint what the consumer wants.. the consumers wants the opposite.. i wonder how many of these things get stuck in a backpocket and sat on.. more than just a few i recon..

trog

 

[GreiverBlade]

Apple must be loving this.

technically Apple is in the "exploding devices" club ... alongside Samsung and One Plus (i can't recall another brand having that kind of issue, aside Nvidia and the "fire hazard shield tablet" ... )

 

[R-T-B]

technically Apple is in the "exploding devices" club ... alongside Samsung and One Plus (i can't recall another brand having that kind of issue, aside Nvidia and the "fire hazard shield tablet" ... )

Pretty much any product with a lithium-ion battery has caught fire at some point with some user.

How drastic that fire was varies though.

 

[GreiverBlade]

Pretty much any product with a lithium-ion battery has caught fire at some point with some user.

How drastic that fire was varies though.

nope i meant : brand who actually had the case of more than one explosive device (and also injuries, severe or not) and afaik only Apple Samsung and One Plus got report on that, nvidia did the right thing to prevent a similar issue with the Shield Tablet.

not putting the user in the equation : the reality is above

(the only one that pains me to put in "the club"... is One Plus ... because they actually do it right, on the opposite of Samsung and Apple. )

 

[R-T-B]

nope i meant : brand who actually had the case of more than one explosive device (and also injuries, severe or not) and afaik only Apple Samsung and One Plus got report on that, nvidia did the right thing to prevent a similar issue with the Shield Tablet.

not putting the user in the equation : the reality is above

I know what you meant, just pointing out the obvious... I do that sometimes.

 

[P4-630]

Pretty much any product with a lithium-ion battery has caught fire at some point with some user.

How drastic that fire was varies though.

Yup it's certainly not the first:
Nokia phone battery explodes, flies across room (2007)
http://www.zdnet.com/article/nokia-phone-battery-explodes-flies-across-room/

In the article you can read it happened even earlier than that with mobile phones.

 

[GreiverBlade]

I know what you meant, just pointing out the obvious... I do that sometimes.

well putting the user in the equation does remove the responsibility of the manufacturer ... lucky for me Samsung and Apple do that without needing user intervention ... they are just ... [censored].

at the beginning Samsung was not bad (Galaxy S the only Galaxy i liked ) but now ... they are like Apple (or they think they are ... whereas most other manufacturer do better than them and cheaper, Apple do better than them but at similar or ridiculously higher price) i had a lot of Samsung phones in the hands, none of them have a good feeling that would warrant their price (just like apple but quality wise Apple are better )
no more Note 7 ? good riddance... now they need to purge the rest.
(i like Samsung but not for phones ... )

more faith in other brands now ... (and i will run crying when my Honor 5X will rip half of my face off during a fiery explosion later ... )

Yup it's certainly not the first:
Nokia phone battery explodes, flies across room (2007)
http://www.zdnet.com/article/nokia-phone-battery-explodes-flies-across-room/

I think it happened even earlier than that with mobile phones.

i remember that one but i meant SERIAL, one random occurrence on one brand: means nothing, the 3 i mentioned is more than one (for apple and samsung) or a few of one batch (for one plus)

and obviously yes Li-ion battery and idiots don't mix up quite nicely

 

[Kanan]

The issue with batteries in Note 7 blowing up was simply because Samsung wanted out of overbording ambition the biggest battery in it, and it simply was TOO big for it. Funny enough that the S7 has a battery just 500 mAH short of it and it works perfectly. I recharged it multiple times with fast charge at the beginning for weeks and it worked just fine. My usage of it at the beginning was just murder, because I was playing NFS NL for hours and then recharged and played again. So anybody who thinks the S7 isn't safe, is a clown in my eyes. It's the best phone I've ever seen by far. The new apple phones have just batterys with 2930 mAH btw. Apple displays of Iphone 6 start to be dead after just 1 year, it's a pretty big wave - so I don't think Apple should open a bottle on Samsungs failures just yet, they face similar if not worse problems. Sueing has started and is going on. Americans love that.
And as already correctly stated it's because too many phones get released in too short of time. The quality assurance is shrinking in face of overbording ambition.

 

[Melvis]

"If people look into it its not the battery at fault but the little electronic board that regulates the battery

 

[Kanan]

"If people look into it its not the battery at fault but the little electronic board that regulates the battery

Proof? This would mean Samsung is solely (well 99% instead of 80%) responsible for it.

 

[P4-630]

Samsung to counter Note 7-related losses by producing more Galaxy S7 units

"Originally released back in August, the Galaxy Note 7 could have been Samsung's best selling Note to date (at least according to initial reports). Unfortunately for Samsung, the whole Note 7 affair is a fiasco: last month, after several units caught fire, Samsung recalled about 2.5 million Note 7s in order to replace them with new, safe units. But the replacement devices are still prone to overheating and exploding, so Samsung suspended all sales, and stopped producing the Note 7 altogether.

Naturally, the failure of the Galaxy Note 7 is making Samsung lose a lot of money (billions of dollars). But the company hopes to counter the losses by leveraging the popularity of its slightly older handsets. According to The Korea Herald, Samsung intends to ramp up the production of the Galaxy S7 series (including the regular S7 and the S7 edge), and will also try to sell a higher number of cheaper smartphones - like the Galaxy A8.

The Galaxy S7 is still Samsung's flagship smartphone, and it's been very well received around the world. Moreover, the S7 edge isn't too different from the Note 7 (though it obviously lacks a stylus pen), so increasing production could indeed help Samsung when it comes to Q3 and Q4 profits. Bug we'll see about that later this year."

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...ses-by-producing-more-Galaxy-S7-units_id86457

 

[RejZoR]

This is what happens when you release models every week. It's the same reason why cars have so many faults, because they rush releasing them before they even fix any of the older issues.

This is also why Apple generally doesn't have such problems, because they have like 1-2 phones to release every year and they can focus on those two with maximum effort. Samsung released like 15 phones just this week alone most likely. Then again, due to that, Samsung can afford such failures even if it costs them billions. Because they can offset the costs to earnings from other models or even other (of many) branches.

 

[Vayra86]

It's stupid from my standpoint, too bad you don't understand it. I don't buy old hardware - mobiles that are months old are considered old already, because the successor reaches market after 1 year and next iPhone is 6 months away, not even speaking of Sony, HTC etc. I understand your opinion, but it's not really reasonable on mobiles, just because 1 mobile, the Note 7, fucked up. I'm btw. not speaking about 1st day buying, I bought my S7 as well as all other phones I had after it was a few weeks old - enough time for batteries to explode (or not) I guess.

Getting the newest hardware really doesn't apply as an advantage for smartphones ever since about two years ago. The CPUs are no longer making leaps like they used to, and all the rest of the phone is just a new iteration of the same thing. My 'ancient' Nexus 5 is still competing on CPU performance with the majority of 2016 models. And I bought that thing second-hand too, at the time it was still the fastest chip on the market and the Snapdragon releases after that were even less impressive than an Intel 'tick' these days. In some situations they even got slower, but more power efficient, as the low-power Cortex cores were added to stronger cores in BIG.little setups. And these days the only real leaps we see on ARM are on the GPU side because they desperately want to drive 4K on a tiny screen - a development that also has only drawbacks in terms of battery life etc.

Around 2012 I would agree with your statement, but even then and before that, buying a smartphone at or close to release was not a good idea. I remember the Optimus 2X on the 'fabulous' Tegra soc, the 'first dual core smartphone' of the world, and it was a disaster, slow as fuck, and lacking in update policy. After that, the Optimus 3D that also flopped and 3D was no more than a gimmick. Need I continue? We had Apple with antennagate, we have the Note 7 now, and if I start googling I could probably find about 20 more faulty releases that would directly impact your experience as an early adopter.

Being an early adopter has zero real advantages other than psychology of 'being the first'. There are no tangible benefits, only drawbacks - this applies to every single thing you early adopt. The cost is higher, the risk of faults is higher, and the chance of buying a soon to be discontinued product are also higher. Not all faults pop up in the first few weeks after release either - look at Samsung's AMOLED for a great example of this.

 

[RejZoR]

I fire up my Galaxy S2 with latest Cyanogen here and there and it feels snappy as hell. It's just a dual core CPU with what, 1GB or is it 1.5GB RAM ? Ascend P7 that I have now doesn't actually feel any snappier to be honest. And it's like 3 years or so newer.