Sapphire Radeon RX 580 Nitro+ Limited Edition 8 GB

[jabbadap]

According to Sampsa at io-tech.fi(in finnish so use some translation service) there's two flavors of RX 580, one with polaris 20 XTX and one with Polaris 20 XTR. Latter is binned chip which clocks are higher and is used on top end AIB RX 580s like this reviewed Nitro limited edition. Does W1zzard have same kind of information?

 

[notb]

Or maybe not so bad! Huge improvement with undervolting.

Please don't undervolt your PC parts. This is such a bad idea...
RX580 needs a lot of power, but doesn't emit that much heat. It shows that the electricity is actually put into use.

AMD had really no point in releasing a GPU with too-high stock voltage, if it could have been stable using much less power.

Why would anyone sensible make such decisions about a GPU (bought for few years) based on a youtube video shown few days after the launch...?

 

[uuuaaaaaa]

Please don't undervolt your PC parts. This is such a bad idea...
RX580 needs a lot of power, but doesn't emit that much heat. It shows that the electricity is actually put into use.

AMD had really no point in releasing a GPU with too-high stock voltage, if it could have been stable using much less power.

Why would anyone sensible make such decisions about a GPU (bought for few years) based on a youtube video shown few days after the launch...?

Because the stock VID is usualy an overestimation (based on chip quality) to make sure every card works and does not crash. It does not mean that every card would need suck voltage. You can actually have improved performance in power limit situations by lowering the stock VID. You have lower temperatures and power consumption (less fan noise) + higher performance. I have undervolted my R9 Fury X Strix, it works flawlessly better. Nowadays it is possible to change the VID per DPM stage in radeon wattman, so it makes it even less risky and easier than flashing a new edited vbios. Undervolting a card will potentially increase the lifespan of it too.

 

[ShurikN]

AdoredTV showed that the MSI 580 gaming is overvolted for no apparent reason. He lowered the vcore by ~100mV and still managed same clocks and stability, with less heat and significantly less power draw.

 

[Solid State Brain]

AdoredTV showed that the MSI 580 gaming is overvolted for no apparent reason. He lowered the vcore by ~100mV and still managed same clocks and stability, with less heat and significantly less power draw.

Default clocks at default voltages are also stable near or at the thermal limit, whereas a lower voltage doesn't necessarily guarantee that unless dedicated testing is performed.

 

[X800]

Would this be a good card to replace my msi 390 8gb. ?

 

[jabbadap]

Would this be a good card to replace my msi 390 8gb. ?

In all honestly: if it's must be amd, wait Vega.

 

[X800]

Yes because I have an freesync monitor.

 

[jabbadap]

Yes because I have an freesync monitor.

Well then wait Vega, R9 390 -> RX 580 is more like sidegrade than anything(just look this test game to game and keep in mind R9 390 is tested with older driver too).

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Would this be a good card to replace my msi 390 8gb. ?

If it died, yes. If it didn't die, keep using your 390.

 

[X800]

Hmm but its too slow , I need more FPS .If I cant play the games I own on max its time update .

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Then wait for Vega.

 

[64K]

Hmm but its too slow , I need more FPS .If I cant play the games I own on max its time update .

Save up some more money and have a look at Vega when it drops soon. The RX 580 Nitro+ is a bit of an upgrade for you but Vega holds better promise. You can always grab a 580 then if Vega doesn't deliver or if it's priced out of your budget.

 

[awatz]

Noob question

580 cards from other manufacturers only have 1 8pin connector. Is the power consumption the same as the Sapphire?

 

[EarthDog]

But based on what? (note, slightly better)

I dont know... you are the who said its slightly better. What do yoy base that on? I havent seen anything about these being better silicon. I see raised voltages to reach higher clocks using more power.

Find me a polaris 10 chip that does 1266 @890mV and takes less than 75w to do so. This mean that the polaris 20xtx (or w/e it is called) is an improved polaris 10 chip, i.e. achieving the same at much lower power and heat.
Well it is also shown in the video that this RX580 could undervolt to 1040mV from the stock 1150mV, reducing the power consumption down to 120w at its RX580 clocks.

rx480s can underclock too. Each silicon is different in how much it can underclock...

...again.. underclocking, so few care and its really not proving anything about the silicon.
It may be 'slightly better' but i havent seen evidence of this...

 

[uuuaaaaaa]

I dont know... you are the who said its slightly better. What do yoy base that on? I havent seen anything about these being better silicon. I see raised voltages to reach higher clocks using more power.
rx480s can underclock too. Each silicon is different in how much it can underclock...

...again.. underclocking, so few care and its really not proving anything about the silicon.
It may be 'slightly better' but i havent seen evidence of this...

1266 Mhz @ 890mV? Back when the 480 was released some guys couldn't even do 1300Mhz at 1200mv, those who could to get into 1400Mhz territory would usually need 1250+mV, of course there were some "alien" cards among the best aib models that could do 1400Mhz @ 1150mV, like some "special" XFX GTR s or some "special" Sapphire Nitro+. With this revision of polaris it is much more common to get such clocks at much lower volts, that msi rx580 in the video did 1400Mhz at 1050mV. These are not straight rebrands, the arquitecture is the same, but the manufacturing process is better, more refined.

I see this like the 3.2GHz Phenom II x4 955 BE vs the 3.7GHz Phenom II x4 980 BE, essentially the same arquitecture, but the latter had much higher clocks than the former at the same tdp. In hwbot the average oc for the 955 on water is 4138MHz, while the average oc on air for the 980 is 4270MHz. Despite being the same arquitecture, would you say that the 980 is a rebranded 955? Sure you can get a 955 working at stock 980 clocks, but when you push the clocks on both, the 980 will easily beat the 955 on average.

I'm not saying that what AMD did is 100% correct, this should have been called rx 485/ rx480 xtx/ rx480XT PE or something similar, not rx580, but these are not straight rebrands, this is how i see it.

 

[EarthDog]

Clockspeeds dont make it a different card. If anything, perhaps they are better binned (like your cpu example), but it is, seemingly, the exact same silicon.

 

[uuuaaaaaa]

Clockspeeds dont make it a different card. If anything, perhaps they are better binned (like your cpu example), but it is, seemingly, the exact same silicon.

Exactly, that's the point, the problem is all in the naming of the card, they should have called it something different, not rx580.

 

[notb]

Exactly, that's the point, the problem is all in the naming of the card, they should have called it something different, not rx580.

Oh come on... it's just a string of characters. They can call it how they want - as long as they advertise the card as a new product. And they don't - it's openly a refresh with slight improvements in manufacturing (which seems to be true).
Honestly, this GPU has bigger issues than the name.

 

[Shatun_Bear]

1266 Mhz @ 890mV? Back when the 480 was released some guys couldn't even do 1300Mhz at 1200mv, those who could to get into 1400Mhz territory would usually need 1250+mV, of course there were some "alien" cards among the best aib models that could do 1400Mhz @ 1150mV, like some "special" XFX GTR s or some "special" Sapphire Nitro+. With this revision of polaris it is much more common to get such clocks at much lower volts, that msi rx580 in the video did 1400Mhz at 1050mV. These are not straight rebrands, the arquitecture is the same, but the manufacturing process is better, more refined.

I see this like the 3.2GHz Phenom II x4 955 BE vs the 3.7GHz Phenom II x4 980 BE, essentially the same arquitecture, but the latter had much higher clocks than the former at the same tdp. In hwbot the average oc for the 955 on water is 4138MHz, while the average oc on air for the 980 is 4270MHz. Despite being the same arquitecture, would you say that the 980 is a rebranded 955? Sure you can get a 955 working at stock 980 clocks, but when you push the clocks on both, the 980 will easily beat the 955 on average.

I'm not saying that what AMD did is 100% correct, this should have been called rx 485/ rx480 xtx/ rx480XT PE or something similar, not rx580, but these are not straight rebrands, this is how i see it.

Spot on, I had two 480s and it's obvious these chip or at least the manufacturing process to create them has improved a lot.

First Nitro 480 hit a wall at 1340Mhz. Second would only get to 1380 stable and without throttling down. RX500 is around +100Mhz on older 480s.

 

[EarthDog]

Spot on, I had two 480s and it's obvious these chip or at least the manufacturing process to create them has improved a lot.

First Nitro 480 hit a wall at 1340Mhz. Second would only get to 1380 stable and without throttling down. RX500 is around +100Mhz on older 480s.

the pcb for the nitro is different... not the silicon... that can certainly help.

These are really no different...just more voltage and more clocks... perhaps better binning. But its still an overcloked 480x.

 

[Bruno_O]

Guys, mine is using ~36W in idle (single monitor, 1080p or 4k makes no diff) any clues?
I've tried down-clocking but it has no effect as the card is going to lower states (both gpu and mem at 300 MHz).
Used both latest WHQL and Beta drivers, new Creators installation.

On the flip side, undervolted to 1025mV @ 1340 and it's using 150W peak =)

 

[gasolin]

Why aren't there any gtx 980 to compare to the rx 580 only gtx 980 ti and 1060

 

[Fluffmeister]

Why aren't there any gtx 980 to compare to the rx 580 only gtx 980 ti and 1060

It's a good question, the full GM204 chip is a performance per watt monster.

 

[gasolin]

is the gtx 980 to close to the rx 580 i mean an almost 3 year old gpu as fast as a the newest and fastes amd card rx 580