Scalping Locust Swarm Takes Out Ryzen 5000 Inventory, Same Fate Awaits Radeon RX 6000

[Melvis]

Scalpers? HA! In this country the PC Stores are the scalpers

We are already paying double the price of USA, so.....

 

[Imsochobo]

Scalpers? HA! In this country the PC Stores are the scalpers

We are already paying double the price of USA, so.....

from what I see the amd cpu's are priced at MSRP in australia.
your AUD is worth less than USD, you have 10% gst, a tax which is added often in USA, in arizona that would be 9% or so.

however, there is a lot of australia tax for no reason yes, but double... hardly

 

[dgianstefani]

What's worse is that retailers like scan listed stock as purchasable, then the day after purchase changed the order to a preorder. That happened with me, I ordered a 5950x next day delivery, and it was changed to a preorder overnight after they took payment.

 

[kayjay010101]

Why do you say it is predicted by a store that will sell them and works with the companies that are producing the graphics cards? You and I can predict. If you've called the store like I did they would tell you the availability dates for the products based on he plan they have developed with the companies that make the cards and those working with NV. So if the store says the confirmed dates for availability is January or whatever, they are right. They know better than you and I.

Sure, but at the end of the day that date could be pushed back and forward by weeks. It's an estimate when it's that far ahead. I've gotten plenty of dates from Elkjøp and Komplett before that was off by weeks or even months. Nothing is set in stone until your order status is changed to confirmed or shipped.

There is a difference to have them in stock or not have them in stock instead if a card comes in to Komplett for instance, it doesn't end up in the stock of the store but is being sent to the customer next in line who has preordered it months ago. That's the difference.

Again, not pre-order, but backorder. There is no difference between a backorder and a normal order, except a backorder guarantees you are in line for the product.

Nobody can predict when the backorders will end and 'normal' on-the-shelf availability begins, as more orders will come during that period, shifting that date back. Or, people cancel their backorders and the date shifts forward. It's an estimate, just like every other date the stores will give you. It doesn't mean that on that date suddenly there will be normal stock. It's just a prediction based on their internal conversations with their distributors.

 

[X71200]

"Scalping bots and overpriced re-sales are the new reality of PC hardware launches."

Kek, overpriced re-sales have been a thing with high end hardware launches for long. Now that there have been couple strong releases lately, people are more on the end of getting some quick bucks.

 

[bug]

I'm saying they are available right now, you can get them in Europe readily available R5/R7, you're grasping at straws. R9 are indeed out of stock and they will keep on having low stock for a while.

No, it it's not available. Mindfactory has nothing in stock. I think only smaller sellers still have some stock, because they're too small for scalpers to care.

It will settle down for sure, but for the time being it's an annoyance.

 

[X71200]

I checked Nowinstock the other day, the main page was broken. I don't think they do with those "smaller" retailers anyway.

Correct, if you want to snag one of those, seems like you have to dive into an advanced google search to find one from a lesser used retailer. Applies to whatever country you're from.

 

[Xaled]

Please just add "allegedly" to such headlines
I don't believe neither Nvidia nor AMD
They are collaborating in forming a Cartel

 

[X71200]

They are collaborating in forming a Cartel

Well it's a bad world over all Xaled... lol.

*Not that I'd go as far as saying that word*.

 

[Xaled]

Well it's a bad world over all Xaled... lol.

*Not that I'd go as far as saying that word*.

Not completely bad though. Because at least we still have the right to say that it is bad.

 

[Minus Infinity]

from what I see the amd cpu's are priced at MSRP in australia.
your AUD is worth less than USD, you have 10% gst, a tax which is added often in USA, in arizona that would be 9% or so.

however, there is a lot of australia tax for no reason yes, but double... hardly

On ebay the $5950X is often going for over 2200AUD and the bidding had a day to go, and morons were prepared to pay what could easily be double at close of bid.

 

[Xaled]

This sculpting claims should be investigated and huge sanctions/punishment should given to AMD and Nvidia if found to be fake

 

[Chrispy_]

Just one more reason to add to the pile why people should excercise some goddamned patience:

Buy at launch and you get:

• Full MSRP, no discounts or price-matching offers
• Scalping on top of that
• Limited availability and long pre-order delays
• Buggy launch drivers that need some fixes
• Lack of software/games around to take advantage of the newest hardware features
• Version 1.0 of the hardware and vBIOS with plenty of revisions likely needed until the optimal daily-driver variant with no issues turns up.
• Early yields on the manufacturing process, so you're buying the hottest, least-overclockable, lowest-yielding variant of the GPU and VRAM

Buy once the rush has subsided and you get:

• Discounts and sales, competition to sell stock is great for consumers.
• Scalpers aren't your only option any more
• Easy availability in store or next-day shipping
• Fixed drivers
• Games are now out that can actually use the new features at last.
• Updated vBIOS with better fan control, boost clock behaviour, and manufacturing issues such as poor heatpipe contact or VRAM coverage have been revised.
• The manufacturing process has matured and yields are better so there's potentially more chance of a good overclocker/underclocker.

 

[ratirt]

Again, not pre-order, but backorder. There is no difference between a backorder and a normal order, except a backorder guarantees you are in line for the product.

Nobody can predict when the backorders will end and 'normal' on-the-shelf availability begins, as more orders will come during that period, shifting that date back. Or, people cancel their backorders and the date shifts forward. It's an estimate, just like every other date the stores will give you. It doesn't mean that on that date suddenly there will be normal stock. It's just a prediction based on their internal conversations with their distributors.

It is a preorder that's being taken care-off now. You don't know that but since people that have preordered are still waiting for the cards it's obvious that they are getting the cards now.
If the cards are not in stock, you can't order them if you can you are still going to wait for it till all the preorders are complete.

Sure, but at the end of the day that date could be pushed back and forward by weeks. It's an estimate when it's that far ahead. I've gotten plenty of dates from Elkjøp and Komplett before that was off by weeks or even months. Nothing is set in stone until your order status is changed to confirmed or shipped.

Of course it can be pushed back or forward. If that happens you and I will not know about it from NV but from the resellers web page anyway. The plan can change if the producer encounters any issues. The companies do estimates or a forecast what the production line will look like. They take all the problems into account that may appear but sometimes they can't predict something and it's delayed. Just like Cyber Punk 2077 was pushed. Your status is set confirm or shipped but first you need to have a chance to order which means you need stock which now is scheduled for January and it's been that way since 2 months.

 

[Legacy-ZA]

This is getting ridiculous; It's time to force MSRP prices and limit 1x item per customer, address, phone number, ID for a period of 1 month.

 

[birdie]

Still awaiting for the corresponding "OMG supply issues, AMD is evil" threads.

Nah, it's only NVIDIA, AMD are saints.

 

[windwhirl]

If you are selling it above MSRP, you are a scalper. There it is.

I shouldn't agree, because freedom of business reasons and all that, but I love that aggressive definition.

Covid wants to know your location!

Just wear a mask and when you get home shower yourself in alcohol and disinfectant with all your clothes on. Then burn your clothes and take a regular shower.

if people just have the self control and discipline to abstain from buying from scalpers, it'll stop

People? Self-control and discipline? Pfft, you're asking way too much when people dive-bomb themselves at smart TVs and other electronics every time Black Friday comes around.

Scalpers? HA! In this country the PC Stores are the scalpers

We are already paying double the price of USA, so.....

I sort of feel your pain, but my unyielding rage is directed to the government for taxing the shit out of everything, while also thinking of adding a special tax for electronics.
By the way, just in case they're reading this:

Spoiler

 

[bug]

Nah, it's only NVIDIA, AMD are saints.

It's not only Nvidia, it's Nvidia and Intel

 

[Toolbag]

It's not e-Bay's fault, it's the business they are in.

Anytime you have a limited supply of something some form of something like this will happen.

The retailers could curb it by doing a pre-order and random sort for shipping. Manufacturers could hold off on releasing until they have a greater supply than day1 demand. I do find it strange that consumers are the only ones that really seem to care.

 

[bug]

Anytime you have a limited supply of something some form of something like this will happen.

We've always had limited supply for pretty much every launch. Usually e-tailers add a "max 1-3 items" per order/buyer in order to curb this. They either didn't do that this time, or scalpers found a way to circumvent that.

 

[Deleted member 185088]

Unlike USA and Europe, in countries where PC hardware distribution relies on small number of 3rd party companies as distributor, scalping is like done by official distributor and that becomes the official price for the hardware in those countries.

Here, RTX 3080 is ranging from USD 900~1300. Zotac Trinity is the lowest for USD 910, Asus Strix is the most expensive for USD 1340.
RTX 3070 USD 700~800
The RTX 3090 is even crazier, USD 1900 at the lowest, and almost USD 2500 for Asus Strix.

All Ryzen 5000 series are also 100-150 higher than MSRP.

Some countries are paradise for PC enthusiast, while some are just hell.

Worst still nVidia sites those prices as MSRP, and the stupidest thing you can get the same product delivered and taxed from the US for less than buying locally.

 

[MDWiley]

Like other people have said, scalping will stop when people stop buying from them. Although I also blame retailers for not taking bot protections seriously. It's hard to keep up with, sure, but there are still things they can do that'll at least slow them down.

Except they're not, because they're still making money and have no business incentive to change anything, or allow preorders. That's the most frustrating of all. If it impacted their bottom line, they would have done something substantial by now, which clearly they haven't.

 

[R0H1T]

I sort of feel your pain, but my unyielding rage is directed to the government for taxing the shit out of everything, while also thinking of adding a special tax for electronics.

Yeah I don't agree with that, while I do find reason in the sentiment that govt taxes should be reasonable. The exceptionally low taxes in the US besides manufacturers & retailers pricing these products abysmally low as compared to the rest of word, perhaps with exception of China where all of this is made, has resulted in tremendous waste of resources & basically made China what it is today. You know lots of people stateside complain of China "stealing their jobs" ~ hey if it were for taxes & the US companies actually paying living wages to a lot of their component makers/sources I'm pretty sure the consumption would drop like a stone & you'd have better redistribution of wealth overtime. I have said this many a times but here we go ~ consumerism is not a virtue & extremely cheap goods isn't actually such a good thing!

 

[mahoney]

id like to see ebay ban these off their site along with other similar sites. the fact that you can get a load of money from doing it is what's keeping it going, if you kill the ability to make that money then it will stop. ebay and other sites are enabling this.

This is never gonna happen. This scalping shit has been going on for ages. I remember Xbox 360 launch day people were selling xbox 360 premium models on ebay for $200 more and people kept buying them - wonder how they felt when they got RROD a few years later

 

[Deleted member 24505]

It's peoples choice to buy off the scalpers. If no one did, there would not be no scalpers. It's the need for the newest hardware that drives it, and most on here are guilty of that, proven by the qq'ing because you can't get one. If it was not that important to you, you would not give a shit and just wait.