Shall I upgrade from Office 2010?

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
It's not and regional exclusive thing to what to save money it's world wide
Been using cheap keys for years none have gone bad all of sudden unless I switched out mother boards

 

[Bill_Bright]

...especially since American exceptionalism and ignorance of other countries is a thing.

Wow! Have you ever lived in another country? Not visited, but lived and got to know the people? I have. I lived in England, Portugal (Azores), and Germany for years and spent several weeks to several months in multiple other countries working with the citizens. To suggest "exceptionalism and ignorance of other countries" is exclusive to America simply illustrates a level of ignorance beyond the pale.

It is clear your biases and preconceived judgements about America and Americans is the problem here. You immediately decided all Americans are alike and therefore, I must be making prejudicial statements about your country when I did nothing of the sort.

You criticized my country by reading something I did NOT say about yours into a comment I made. It was not me being prejudiced or ignorant. Contrary to what some in other countries believe, America, even with all its faults (and there are many), is a great country and by far, most Americans are good, wholesome people and NOT representative of those depicted by Hollywood or as seen in the Nightly News.

Since you cannot hear posters' tone-of-voice or see our facial expressions or body language, when you are reading a poster's comment, I recommend you just stick to reading what they actually say. That way, you won't risk misinterpretations as you did here when you interjected your own, clearly biased, grossly unjust, naïve and definitely wrong opinion.

Thank you and have a wonderful day!

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I'd argue similar for Windows Server and the desktop versions of windows.

Windows is where we see this most. I am sure you are right about Windows Server, but I don't recall seeing that in any of the businesses I have supported. From what I have seen, it is mostly individuals who buy such keys (Windows and Windows Server), and not businesses. Businesses can write-off much of their business expenses and would have too much to lose if not legit. Individuals are much less a concern to law enforcement and the software developers.

A lot of organisations cant' stick on the older versions of office because lack of updates. I

That's only part of it. I have worked for (or supported) several companies (large and small) as well as several state and federal organizations. Most have a 5-year (or something similar) replacement plan. This plan is not necessarily in place to automatically replace everything on some time schedule, but rather to "budget" for such replacements.

Anyway, my point is, these organizations upgrade to new versions simply because they end up buying new hardware that comes with the newer versions of Windows and various application pre-installed.

It's not and regional exclusive thing to what to save money it's world wide

I agree. I'd say it's just human nature, or even common sense to try and save money when possible.

none have gone bad all of sudden unless I switched out mother boards

And that makes sense since a new motherboard typically constitutes a new computer for licensing purposes with most software - or at least most "OEM" software.

 

[Octopuss]

I'd argue similar for Windows Server and the desktop versions of windows. In the former case, they've actually made some functionality harder or required extra commands and they've only just added new technology like TLS 1.3 in the 2022 version. Embarrassing frankly from a technical point of view. I live in fear that their updates are going to break something critical on the server side (it's happened before...).

I actually use Office 2010, 16 and 19 in various different places, as well as Server 2016 & 19 and various versions of Windows 10. In fact in the likes of outlook they've actually dumbed down the configuration options since 2010 in the likes of outlook.

A lot of organisations cant' stick on the older versions of office because lack of updates. In terms of actual functionality, there's zero reason to upgrade for any of the use cases I've seen, anyway. I guess there might be some niche ones where it's worth it. Anyway similar to Apple, Microsoft stock is possibly worth owning but if I had any choice I'd migrate out of all their products.

If I were op and there isn't some feature they want in anything newer definitely stick to 2010.

In the end I upgraded because I was majorly annoyed by the "not activated" popup on every launch and Excel 2010 not being able to open certain link (such that I use often).

As far as you not liking the UI, had you gone from 2010 to 2016 and then to 2019, the changes would have been more subtle.

I tried googling up some screenshots, but 2016 and 2019 look exactly the same to me. But it's not important, ten years from now I will have to upgrade again...

 

[Bill_Bright]

but 2016 and 2019 look exactly the same to me.

Yeah, I think most of the changes are "under the hood" and they are subtle too. That's why I said had you gone from 2010 to 2016 first, the switch to 2019 would not have been so dramatic.

The same thing happened with W7. People (like me) who didn't move to Vista first had a much steeper learning curve when going from XP directly to W7.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Yeah i was on vista for 30 days before the free upgrade to 7 showed up from acer.
Office 2007 small business was 450.us back then so I've paid my dues

 

[gurusmi]

We use Office 2010 at home...

If you don't know if you want/need to migrate. How any other can know?

 

[mplayerMuPDF]

Wow! Have you ever lived in another country? Not visited, but lived and got to know the people? I have. I lived in England, Portugal (Azores), and Germany for years and spent several weeks to several months in multiple other countries working with the citizens. To suggest "exceptionalism and ignorance of other countries" is exclusive to America simply illustrates a level of ignorance beyond the pale.

I live in the US and I was not born here, so, yes, I have lived in another country. I find it quite ironic how quickly and highly offended you are by my post, yet how surprised you are that someone could have taken offense to your earlier post.

It is clear your biases and preconceived judgements about America and Americans is the problem here. You immediately decided all Americans are alike and therefore, I must be making prejudicial statements about your country when I did nothing of the sort.

You criticized my country by reading something I did NOT say about yours into a comment I made. It was not me being prejudiced or ignorant. Contrary to what some in other countries believe, America, even with all its faults (and there are many), is a great country and by far, most Americans are good, wholesome people and NOT representative of those depicted by Hollywood or as seen in the Nightly News.

Since you cannot hear posters' tone-of-voice or see our facial expressions or body language, when you are reading a poster's comment, I recommend you just stick to reading what they actually say. That way, you won't risk misinterpretations as you did here when you interjected your own, clearly biased, grossly unjust, naïve and definitely wrong opinion.

Ironically, again, you are reading something that I did not say into my comment and thereby misinterpreting it. I said that American exceptionalism and ignorance of other countries is a known phenomenon. I never said that all Americans believe in American exceptionalism or are ignorant of other countries or that they are all the same in general.

 

[gurusmi]

No, the eshop claims the licences are secondary (I'm sure there's a specific word in english for this), as in used, but no longer used. I really don't know how it works; my only experience with 2nd hand licences were times when you could buy physical Windows stickers taken from discarded PCs). I had to use phone activation, because trying to activate it from within Office gave me the usual "already installed on maximum number of machines" or whatever error.

As you seem to live in the czech republic where also european law is applicable. It is still not clear if second hand licenses are legal. By now they are accepted. A german shop selled such licenses in a big supermarket. MS did let close that shop and stated that those licenses are not valid according to european law. But there is no lawsuit opened yet. So nobody really knows.Some Companies sell that licenses i.e. from a volume tarif to that shops who resell it again.

 

[Bill_Bright]

I find it quite ironic how quickly and highly offended you are by my post

A day later is quickly? How does one measure times for a reply when posters are potentially in every time zone across the globe? Don't be silly. I replied after seeing it. The elapsed time had no bearing at all as to how quickly I replied. As far as being "highly" offended - you have no clue as to the level of offensiveness your post may have, or may not have been.

This is not helping the OP. Time to move on.

It is still not clear if second hand licenses are legal.

It actually is clear. Whether or not the terms are enforced or not is really the question. For individuals, it usually is not worth Microsoft's time or money to go after individual users if they did happen to determine a license was being used in an unauthorized matter.

In fact, with Microsoft's other avenues of revenue (for example; targeted ads, additional software purchases, etc.), they are likely to recoup any losses from the individual anyway - and then some.

That said, is should be pointed out that OEM licenses are tied to the "equipment", not the user. So if we, for example, buy a Dell computer with an OEM license of Windows installed, it is perfectly legal, and in fact expected that should ownership of the computer change, that copy of Windows and the license will also be transferred to the new owner with the computer at the time.

Retail licenses are a little different in that they can be sold to new individuals AS LONG AS any and all previous installations using that license are completely deleted.

 

[Wirko]

As you seem to live in the czech republic where also european law is applicable. It is still not clear if second hand licenses are legal. By now they are accepted. A german shop selled such licenses in a big supermarket. MS did let close that shop and stated that those licenses are not valid according to european law. But there is no lawsuit opened yet. So nobody really knows.Some Companies sell that licenses i.e. from a volume tarif to that shops who resell it again.

There may be details to that. What exactly counts as a transgression of law? Reselling volume licenses? Buying them? Using Windows that was activated with them? All of those?

 

[iNinja9K]

Newer versions of Office, like Office 2021 or Microsoft 365, offer better support for modern file formats, enhanced security features, and improved integration with other software and online services. These updates can resolve issues like the one you're experiencing with Excel, where links might not be working properly. Plus, newer versions are optimized for both 32-bit and 64-bit systems, which can enhance overall stability and performance.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Thanks for necroing the thread for no reason despite the warning about it being more or less dead.