Shutters while shooting and seeing enemy even in CS 1.6

[Vincero]

What options are under the NVME controller configuration?
Also, what does thr GPU performance scaling description say? Is it just battery/AC performance switching?

 

[Uğur Uyar]

NH58DEQ Bios

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[Vincero]

Hmmm, NVME just information screen.
You can try disabling GPU performance scaling - it will hurt battery life (when on battery) and make it run warmer when at idle - shouldn't have much of an impact when at full load.
Does the same issue when playing happen if you un-plug and plug-in the charger lead?

 

[Uğur Uyar]

I am using laptop with adaptor while gaming. I didnt try to unplug anything.

 

[Vincero]

I am using laptop with adaptor while gaming. I didnt try to unplug anything.

I'm reminded of when I used to have a Dell XPS desktop replacement laptop - the adapter was starting to get flakey and would randomly stop then start giving power within a split second.
At a normal windows desktop, no real issue, but within anything like a game or media intensive it would cause a half-second freeze whilst it worked out WTF was going on.

Anyway, just check power switching doesn't trigger same behaviour.

 

[Uğur Uyar]

How can I check it? Or is there a way to check or log voltage fluctuation with any app? So I can check there is a problem or not.

 

[Uğur Uyar]

Problem is still continuing

 

[Vincero]

How can I check it? Or is there a way to check or log voltage fluctuation with any app? So I can check there is a problem or not.

You can check the event log to see if the system is switching power sources. Obviously knowing the time things happen will let you know if there are unexpected changes:

I have 10200-H and 1650Ti and easily get 200 fps (locked) on CS 1.6 and getting around 150-170 fps on CS2 but in CS2 there is spiking while i see enemy and shoot to him. Its like for just 1 seconds but its enough to make me dead. I just surprised when it happens on cs 1.6. Not happens so much in 1.6 but still annoying with that specs. How can i find the problem? With using xperf? Or any app?

Out of interest did you do a run with xperf where you hit this issue?

 

[Uğur Uyar]

Ah, i didnt test with xperf.

The last one looks so suspicious

 

[Vincero]

The last one is normal, usually at boot where the kernel figures out what CPU capabilities to use.

The events with the ID 105 would be the ones to be suspicious about -

Ah, i didnt test with xperf.

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Did you plug/unplug the laptop twice within a couple of minutes? Is it always plugged in? In which case the power source change is a little odd.

xperf is probably best invetigative option at this point

 

[eidairaman1]

I'm reminded of when I used to have a Dell XPS desktop replacement laptop - the adapter was starting to get flakey and would randomly stop then start giving power within a split second.
At a normal windows desktop, no real issue, but within anything like a game or media intensive it would cause a half-second freeze whilst it worked out WTF was going on.

Anyway, just check power switching doesn't trigger same behaviour.

Need to check power properties and hardware properties for usb

 

[Uğur Uyar]

The last one is normal, usually at boot where the kernel figures out what CPU capabilities to use.

The events with the ID 105 would be the ones to be suspicious about -



Did you plug/unplug the laptop twice within a couple of minutes? Is it always plugged in? In which case the power source change is a little odd.

xperf is probably best invetigative option at this point

I am using it in always plugged. But wait i can plug and unplug.

I did it what i need to check now?

I unplug and plug it for couple times and it looks like it shows true.

 

[Vincero]

I am using it in always plugged. But wait i can plug and unplug.

I unplug and plug it for couple times and it looks like it shows true.

If you are always using it plugged in and it has shown being disconnected/reconnected to power then maybe there is an issue there - next time you get the problem when gaming you should check to see if a power change event (105) has been logged.

Otherwise see what xperf may capture.

 

[Uğur Uyar]

I did test with Xperf until shutter in game.

 

[Vincero]

Assuming you've highlighted the moment, interesting it triggered at a hard-fault. That's essentially when it has to go looking for memory from swap/page file, but that's listed as just having a 151ms IO time (which is long but not seconds long). Also, clearly some processes are carrying on in the background so the system is entering a halted state - quite strange.

 

[Uğur Uyar]

Do you have discord or something?

 

[Uğur Uyar]

I used Vsync on CS2 and it looks perfect for now. No random shuttering and game was smooth. Frametime was much more stable than before. I just started to think when i am gaming my laptop cant manage the drivers or any other basic background processes when its on loada and they starting to make shutter or lag. Can it be possible?

 

[Uğur Uyar]

still shutters even in cs cz

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Look at this...

 

[Uğur Uyar]

@unclewebb Sorry for tagging you but i think its possible to fix it with Throttlestop. Its looks like cpu problem for me.

 

[unclewebb]

@Uğur Uyar

Your Latency Mon screenshot looks terrible. I am not sure if ThrottleStop can help or not. If your computer is overloaded with background tasks then that might be the main reason for shuttering. Intel mobile CPUs with only 4 cores can struggle to play games smoothly.

Post screenshots of the FIVR and TPL windows so I can see your settings. Check the Log File box on the main screen and then go play a game for at least 15 minutes. When done testing, exit the game and exit ThrottleStop so it can finalize your log file. The log will be in your ThrottleStop / Logs folder. Attach a log and some screenshots to your next post.

 

[Uğur Uyar]

Cache voltage is same with core one and system agents, igpu thing are at 0. In the video you can see nothing works at background except msi afterburner and throttlestop. And its CS condition zero not even CS2 but shutters like i am playing with computer from 90's

 

[unclewebb]

Where is the log file? That will best show how your computer is running while playing a game. There could be some throttling issues that can be fixed or it might just be an overloaded CPU that is the main issue. What antivirus program are you using?

Post a screenshot of ThrottleStop while your computer is idle at the desktop. What C0% does ThrottleStop report? That is a good measure of how much stuff is running in the background. If you look at the Task Manager Details tab you are going to find a lot more stuff running in the background than just ThrottleStop and MSI Afterburner. Reducing unnecessary background tasks is the easiest way to improve performance of laptops with only 4 cores.

Here is an example of Windows without a bunch of junk running in the background. The majority of the time Utilization shows 0%.

 

[Uğur Uyar]

I will add the log file too

I wanted to log it but i am getting bluescreens now. Started to happen today (not about logging) I got 2 times with same code kbdclasses.sys i think its about keyboard. Should I share them? I will add the log file to but it looks like didnt show so much thing and also i didnt get shutter btw. While i am getting shutter i change my power plan to balanced and it fixes. So i started to think its about power plan issue but i really dont know what i need to do

Same brand laptops has this issue and people already found a fix for it i think. Applied it now and test it again.
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Here the tests. I got a shutter in bannerlord around 23.01-23.02 and cs2 was normal for me. And at the logs cpu looks cool and working around %40-50 but on msiafterburner only one core hitting to around +%80 and thats why i think its bottlenecked by one core

 

[unclewebb]

Your background tasks look good.

i am getting bluescreens now

Your undervolt settings are very aggressive and may not be 100% stable. Try reducing your undervolt to -125 mV for the core and the cache. If you still get blue screens, reduce the undervolt further to -100 mV. Undervolting too much can cause problems.

Were you playing a game while logging data? The log file shows that the CPU is not overloaded. The game you are playing is only loading two of the eight threads you have. It is likely an older game that is not well threaded like newer games are. The CPU is running at full speed with zero throttling. Perhaps a badly written driver is responsible for your problems.

If you have a Nvidia GPU, turn on Nvidia GPU monitoring in the Options window so that data is included in your next log file. Play a game for a longer period of time and make sure the log includes data while your computer is shuttering.

Edit - The bannerlord and cs2 log files show the CPU running at full speed with zero throttling.

 

[Uğur Uyar]

Were you playing a game while logging data? The log file shows that the CPU is not overloaded. The game you are playing is only loading two of the eight threads you have. It is likely an older game that is not well threaded like newer games are. The CPU is running at full speed with zero throttling. Perhaps a badly written driver is responsible for your problems.

I added 3 log files. First one is condition zero that is old game but the other two is bannerlord and cs2. Names of it shows. Now i will test with nvidia gpu monitoring option.

Edit - The bannerlord and cs2 log files show the CPU running at full speed with zero throttling.

Then i think its about SSD problem because of the pre-caching of textures. Is there a way to test it?

If you have a Nvidia GPU, turn on Nvidia GPU monitoring in the Options

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