Sold 12500 and 3080ti what now?

[Ownedtbh]

Buy a water cooling AIO for your gpu. No need to sell it.
I can cool my gpu with 99% usage @ 50% fans to <65°
Edit: Check my watercooling aio in the signature

 

[R33mba]

I decided to go with ryzen 5 7600,and 4070ti

 

[Vya Domus]

If heat is a concern get better PSU/case fans.

Better cooling is irrelevant here, the heat that is being dissipated is the same.

 

[sLowEnd]

So when I visit PC builds. com and enter calculator anything below ryzen 7700 or intel 13600k Will be more than 10% bottleneck (like for example 5800x3d..).. And I was planing to go with cheaper rute ryzen 7600..
So now due to bottleneck I must sell my mbo also because its too weak for 13600k witch is cheapest possible intel upgrade, or Switch to ryzen again..

IMO you're being too focused on bottlenecks, when the most important thing is whether or not you'll get good enough performance for the games you play or plan on playing.
It's possible to find a bottleneck situation of some sort for any system right now. Eliminating all bottlenecks is a fool's errand. Meeting defined performance targets is what matters.

 

[ratirt]

If it is only for gaming, why not go with the 5800x3d? It can literally run on any AM4 mobo. Most bang for buck I think.

 

[InVasMani]

I decided to go with ryzen 5 7600,and 4070ti

Enjoy if you've already made the purchase otherwise consider waiting on the 5800X3D and just seeing how it does with cheaper more entry level DDR5 DIMM's. The efficiency should be great on the CPU side.

 

[dgianstefani]

Better cooling is irrelevant here, the heat that is being dissipated is the same.

A more efficient PSU reduces the amount of waste heat under load.

Cooler components also have less voltage leakage, leading to lower actual heat output.

 

[Vya Domus]

Cooler components also have less voltage leakage, leading to lower actual heat output.

I was referring strictly to cooling, power leakage is indeed related to temperature but the differences are soo small they're probably not even measurable most of the time.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Everything you've bought or will buy is a bottleneck wtaf.

 

[InVasMani]

Don't worry about the TDP it's a efficient furnace.

 

[N/A]

AMD CPU/MB plus NVidia GPU in one system is a very baffling combination. intel plus nvidia I can understand.

 

[R33mba]

@ratirt I would feel pretty stupid (except I feel stupid enough right now for selling everything,) to buy platform that is old gen (am4). I didn't watch prices of am4 boards, but 5800x3d is like 320e vs 209e for 7600, only real difference is in memory price ddr5 vs ddr4, (i think coz after selling my old ddr4, I didn't check prices of new ddr4 .. I would really like that my nex "upgrade" holds for few years..(started again doubting 4070ti , 12gb vram is insulting to me).

@InVasMani but 5800x3d is out in the market for quite some time... I dont get you..

I must say that I would like to stay as most power efficient that I can ,so I"m kinda looking at 65w tdp CPUs..Because el. prices in Croatia are constantly going up

 

[gffermari]

I decided to go with ryzen 5 7600,and 4070ti

It's actually either this 7600+4070Ti or 7800X3D+4080.
These are the best combinations today for power efficiency and performance.

Good choice.
5800X3D is irrelevant today for a new build. It's merely an option for AM4 owners since the prices of DDR5/AM5 cpus and mobos have been reduced significantly.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

It's actually either this 7600+4070Ti or 7800X3D+4080.
These are the best combinations today for power efficiency and performance.

Good choice.
5800X3D is irrelevant today for a new build. It's merely an option for AM4 owners since the prices of DDR5/AM5 cpus and mobos have been reduced significantly.

I agree, doesn't make sense to invest into am4 unless you already have a decent ram kit and motherboard.

 

[InVasMani]

@ratirt I would feel pretty stupid (except I feel stupid enough right now for selling everything,) to buy platform that is old gen (am4). I didn't watch prices of am4 boards, but 5800x3d is like 320e vs 209e for 7600, only real difference is in memory price ddr5 vs ddr4, (i think coz after selling my old ddr4, I didn't check prices of new ddr4 .. I would really like that my nex "upgrade" holds for few years..(started again doubting 4070ti , 12gb vram is insulting to me).

@InVasMani but 5800x3d is out in the market for quite some time... I dont get you..

I must say that I would like to stay as most power efficient that I can ,so I"m kinda looking at 65w tdp CPUs..Because el. prices in Croatia are constantly going up

I meant to say 7800X3D if you pair it with a more entry level DDR5 kit it could keep costs lower and possibly help with efficiency as well. The 5800X3D performance drop off wasn't too bad when paired with weaker entry level DDR4 kits so I expect it's a similar scenario with 7800X3D.

You might want to take a look at the 13500 as well. That's in some ways is one of Intel's better options in terms of balanced performance and efficiency from the looks of things for out of box experience. The 13600KF/13600K has a bit better memory support and costs more more so on the K rather than KF that lacks integrate and is closer in pricing to 13500 on the pricing side of things. Those unlocked chips you could power limit and adjust to behave in line with the 13500 out of box experience however.

 

[R33mba]

Like I wrote most turning thing off 4070ti is 12gb vram, and on 7900xt is power consumption and heating .So I really dont know which gpu way will I go .I maybe skip this generation completely considering that I became Father 7 months ago,and I don't have time for gaming,or anything else . (that was real reason off selling everything).. I even looked today some reviews of 13500 (its rebranded 12th gen) but it isnt any better than 7600,and it isnt future proof like we talked about.. And later I can always switch 7600 for 7800x3d ... Money wise I have 750e on the side from selling my 3080ti and after completing new rig (I Currently have 300e from 600e needed) I dont plan to add more that 200e for my next/new gpu.. So 4080 is out the way..

 

[InVasMani]

I'd love it if AMD could do something akin to the 7800X3D on the GPU side of things to flex the performance/efficiency of the design in a more substantial way.

 

[Chrispy_]

I'm confused about what the problem is here? Is the issue "my GPU is too hot", "my room is too warm" or is the issue "I have a CPU bottleneck"? There are three disjointed and almost unrelated conversations happening here and they're all confusing the issue(s)

• IMO if you can afford high-end GPUs you can also afford high-end CPU and case cooling and the arctic eSports cooler is pretty low-end. Sort the case cooling out and ensure that the GPU fans are breathing in fresh air from the room, not recirculated air from its own cooler (or CPU cooler) first. A good mesh case with lots of intake fans pointed directly at the GPU and an AIO in the roof exhausting CPU heat straight out of the case is the most GPU-friendly case cooling option. This is a sub-$/€200 cost, compared to the $1000 GPUs being mentioned in this thread, so that should be a priority above all else.
  
  
• If the issue is too much heat in your room from the system, then invest in room cooling - a window fan or AC unit; Any decent gaming PC is going to be putting out 350W+ of heat into the room, unless you're happy with the gaming performance of something much lower-end like an RX6600 and R5 5600 which can run on <200W.
  
  
• Every CPU is a bottleneck in some way at ultra-high refresh rates but unless you are aiming to get >240fps for a high-refresh monitor, it's irrelevant because you'll be GPU-bound in most scenarios.

With your budget of €600, selling the 12500 was a big mistake. It's a decent CPU and you don't have the budget for a full AM5 or 13900K setup, so whatever you replace it with for €600 is going to be relatively close (within 20%) of the performance anyway. If you're running Windows 11 you should get a 12700 or 13500 and call it a day. Those e-cores will help with the background OS stuff and ensure that your games get priority on those 4.8GHz P-cores.

Either way, if you're looking at €1000 GPUs and you want more performance, you can still get that more effectively by stepping up to a 4080/7900XTX instead of wasting an additional €1000 on a whole new CPU/Board/RAM/Cooler.

 

[tommesfps]

Would it just make sense to suggest to keep the money out of pc gaming things and spend more time with 7month old child?

 

[R33mba]

I'm confused about what the problem is here? Is the issue "my GPU is too hot", "my room is too warm" or is the issue "I have a CPU bottleneck"? There are three disjointed and almost unrelated conversations happening here and they're all confusing the issue(s)

• IMO if you can afford high-end GPUs you can also afford high-end CPU and case cooling and the arctic eSports cooler is pretty low-end. Sort the case cooling out and ensure that the GPU fans are breathing in fresh air from the room, not recirculated air from its own cooler (or CPU cooler) first. A good mesh case with lots of intake fans pointed directly at the GPU and an AIO in the roof exhausting CPU heat straight out of the case is the most GPU-friendly case cooling option. This is a sub-$/€200 cost, compared to the $1000 GPUs being mentioned in this thread, so that should be a priority above all else.
  
  
• If the issue is too much heat in your room from the system, then invest in room cooling - a window fan or AC unit; Any decent gaming PC is going to be putting out 350W+ of heat into the room, unless you're happy with the gaming performance of something much lower-end like an RX6600 and R5 5600 which can run on <200W.
  
  
• Every CPU is a bottleneck in some way at ultra-high refresh rates but unless you are aiming to get >240fps for a high-refresh monitor, it's irrelevant because you'll be GPU-bound in most scenarios.

With your budget of €600, selling the 12500 was a big mistake. It's a decent CPU and you don't have the budget for a full AM5 or 13900K setup, so whatever you replace it with for €600 is going to be relatively close (within 20%) of the performance anyway. If you're running Windows 11 you should get a 12700 or 13500 and call it a day. Those e-cores will help with the background OS stuff and ensure that your games get priority on those 4.8GHz P-cores.

Either way, if you're looking at €1000 GPUs and you want more performance, you can still get that more effectively by stepping up to a 4080/7900XTX instead of wasting an additional €1000 on a whole new CPU/Board/RAM/Cooler.

I never wrote that my room is the problem, or my case cooling ..(I have fractal design focus G case).. Some very smart people figure it out by them self.. If I was running in the same case 3070 tuf, and rx6800 without heating problems,htf can suddenly case or room be the problem with 3080 ti fe? And that gpu was mobile oven.. I mined eth with all my gpus,and 3080ti fe ,has generated heat like 2x3070 and 1x3060ti combined.. So for me that narrative is out of the window.. I ordered ryzen 7600 and msi pro p wifi b650 today,now I need only to find some best buy ram for it.. Though of going 32gb 6000mhz... only dillema is 4070ti or 7900xt really

Would it just make sense to suggest to keep the money out of pc gaming things and spend more time with 7month old child?

I'm not spending money on pc gaming,Im spending money on Solid PC setup.. And I spend plenty time with my son, thank you for your concern.

 

[Chrispy_]

I never wrote that my room is the problem, or my case cooling ..(I have fractal design focus G case).. Some very smart people figure it out by them self.. If I was running in the same case 3070 tuf, and rx6800 without heating problems,htf can suddenly case or room be the problem with 3080 ti fe? And that gpu was mobile oven.. I mined eth with all my gpus,and 3080ti fe ,has generated heat like 2x3070 and 1x3060ti combined.. So for me that narrative is out of the window.. I ordered ryzen 7600 and msi pro p wifi b650 today,now I need only to find some best buy ram for it.. Though of going 32gb 6000mhz... only dillema is 4070ti or 7900xt really

Ah okay, it's just that your first post said the 3080Ti "made too much heat around me while gaming". It's probably a language barrier but I understood that as "it heats my room up too much"

Ignoring what case you have, both the 4070Ti and 7900XT will use about 300W in a typical load which isn't much less than the 3080Ti. I'd be surprised if you notice any difference in heat output between a 12500+3080Ti and 7600X+7900XT. Total system heat output of both those systems is roughly 400W.

The most efficient PC you can buy right now would be the 7600X you've ordered, with a manual PBO limit of about 85W TDP (so 115W PPT) and a 4070 which draws about 185W. You'd find that system pretty quick and it would only output around 250W of heat when gaming.

 

[R33mba]

Ah okay, it's just that your first post said the 3080Ti "made too much heat around me while gaming". It's probably a language barrier but I understood that as "it heats my room up too much"

Ignoring what case you have, both the 4070Ti and 7900XT will use about 300W in a typical load which isn't much less than the 3080Ti. I'd be surprised if you notice any difference in heat output between a 12500+3080Ti and 7600X+7900XT. Total system heat output of both those systems is roughly 400W.

The most efficient PC you can buy right now would be the 7600X you've ordered, with a manual PBO limit of about 85W TDP (so 115W PPT) and a 4070 which draws about 185W. You'd find that system pretty quick and it would only output around 250W of heat when gami

Hmmm.. 3080 ti fe had 350w tdp plus 100c memory junction temperature..6800 was 250w tdp card Cool as ice when gaming but clueless on memory temps .. you are claiming that memory temps dont have anything to do with amount of heat that gpu is making? There is no way I will buy 4070 gpu ..

What do you think sbout this chart? https://nationalpcbuilder.com/graphics-card-gpu-power-consumption-comparison-chart/

AMD Adrenalin 22.12.2 drivers significantly increase RX 7900 XT/XTX power efficiency for fps-capped games

ComputerBase tested AMD's Adrenalin 22.12.2 drivers to see if power efficiency has improved in any way. As mentioned in the driver notes, 4K video playback now draws less power, but it is still higher compared to RDNA 2 cards, or even RTX 4000-series cards. A pleasant surprise, though is the...

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And I bought 7600 non x version of ryzen

 

[Chrispy_]

you are claiming that memory temps dont have anything to do with amount of heat that gpu is making?

Absolutely yes. That is how the laws of physics work.

Local hotspot temperatures are not a measure of heat output. Heat output is measured in Watts, not degrees.

As for that chart, it looks credible - but the actual power use (and heat output) varies between models so you need to look at a specific model, not just the class of card. For example - TPU tested a bunch of 4070Ti cards ranging from 273W to 301W, and a bunch of 4070 cards ranging from 188W to 210W:

So yeah, there's some variance between models and the TDP-per-tier is more of a ballpark figure.

 

[R33mba]

The problem is , that there isnt any test of Amd cards like I find 4070ti test.(I would need to google few cards separately and compare them).. I would prefer amd due to more memory and lower price here in EU .. Plus there isnt any interesting games to me that support RT..