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Sony Reveals the PlayStation 5 Pro, Launches November 7th

R0H1T said:
PS5 was selling at a marginal(?) loss when it launched, at least the disc version IIRC. Same goes for PS4, PS3 & the "X boxes" if I'm not wrong.

The prices go down as they use the latest nodes so they might eventually turn a profit with the second or third revision.
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That might be true but I think it was probably due to shortages with PS5/Xbox series. I worded that wrong their target is to break as even as possible since the xbox one/ps4 days. prior they would take 2-300 loses on the consoles and make it up with the software sales.
 
$700 is a reasonable price these days considering a decent gaming PC capable of 4K60fps graphics with most of the whistles turned on already cost twice that amount.

Still, removing the optical drive is a d*ck move. There goes my plan to use PS5 pro as a multimedia hub for my 4K bluray collection.
 
1. PS5 released in the thick of covid + chip shortage, and people still bought them at insane markups from scalpers.

2. High end graphics cards sell for at least $700, and that doesn't even include the rest of the system.

3. Inflation has undoubtedly driven up prices

4. PS5 is very popular, and mindshare hype influencer culture will make sure these sell.

5. Expect to see an influx of used PS5s for sale. Those owners get to upgrade for a few hundred bucks instead of paying $700.

6. The holidays and tax season are coming up. Sony knows they can price these at $700 and sell them.

7. MS doesn't have an answer to the PS5P yet, so Sony will have the performance crown until MS responds in kind. That will undoubtedly drive sales for the people that just have to have the latest and greatest no matter the brand and cost.

So yeah, people will complain about the price, but people will still be camping outside their local GameStop and Best Buy to buy one or three.
 
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oxrufiioxo said:
That might be true but I think it was probably due to shortages with PS5/Xbox series. I worded that wrong their target is to break as even as possible since the xbox one/ps4 days. prior they would take 2-300 loses on the consoles and make it up with the software sales.
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Yes, and at least on the surface, it looks like PS5 Pro would follow the same path. In terms of "value," I consider waiting on PC parts, as well as really any electronic item, to come down in price and then buy it. I've really only bought a handful of phones on launch day, and that too with card discounts. The consoles in comparison don't get cheap over time, if at all. Basically, if you're willing to wait for sales or discounts, I'd argue PC is better VFM, even if just by a whisker.
 
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R0H1T said:
Yes, and at least on the surface, it looks like PS5 Pro would follow the same path. In terms of "value," I consider waiting on PC parts, as well as really any electronic item, to come down in price and then buy it. I've really only bought a handful of phones on luanch day, and that too with card discounts. The consoles in comparison don't get cheap over time, if at all. Basically, if you're willing to wait for sales or discounts, I'd argue PC is better VFM, even if just by a whisker.
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There is still a ton of appeal for a box you just plug in and it works... I'd argue that this is going to be a better experience than any prebuilt for gaming in it's price range what most people actually buy.

This could drive more people to PC though only time will tell there are still over 200 million consoles between switch/PS5/Xbox series consoles so that market is still pretty big. Also where would AMD gaming division be without the consoles lol.

I'm kind indifferent about it on one hand I like what it offers on the other hand 700 usd for a gaming console is a lot when it doesn't include the disk drive etc and even though I primarily buy digital games even on console it should still be there lol.
 
Seriously, disk drive purchasable separately?
 
That's a crazy price. €800 for EU. Add to that price of disc drive and stand. It will be at least €900 to 1000 in EU. Sony is just crazy. It hope it flops big time.
 
I will put this in price off eggs, 2667 eggs.
 
LazyGamer said:
That's a crazy price. €800 for EU. Add to that price of disc drive and stand. It will be at least €900 to 1000 in EU. Sony is just crazy. It hope it flops big time.
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Maybe it is a well planned move. Maybe Sony talked with Microsoft and ... For years, consoles have been sold with really low margin. With some of them, final customer paid less than those consoles cost to manufacture. I think the console makers want to finally change that. Microsoft will quickly adapt it's new Xbox pricing to Sony's new financial policy.

Those times when consoles offered better price/performance ratio than PCs are over.
 
silapakorn said:
$700 is a reasonable price these days considering a decent gaming PC capable of 4K60fps graphics with most of the whistles turned on already cost twice that amount.
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No it isn't. PS5 Pro GPU is basically 7700XT and any 6+ core CPU from last 2 generations - like the aforementioned <200$£€ 5700X3D - is as fast if not faster in that department. Comparable PC is not far off price-wise.

4K60fps with most of the whistles turned is something PS5 Pro is entirely not capable of.

R0H1T said:
PS5 was selling at a marginal(?) loss when it launched, at least the disc version IIRC. Same goes for PS4, PS3 & the "X boxes" if I'm not wrong.
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News bit from end of October 2021 about PS5 not selling at a loss at $500: https://segmentnext.com/ps5-profitable/
PS5 was released on November 2020.

Every console generation has sold the hardware at a loss to some degree. PS4/XB1 generation was the only major exception to that and only because that generation was generally underpowered.
 
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Sony told the BBC it will prevent users from having to choose between fidelity and performance, I dont see an extra 45% rasterization achieving that, the console is a whopping £700 in the UK. :roll:

Stand sold separately. :laugh:

Lionheart said:
GTFO with that shit! I have a huge bluray collection & decent sized game collection, obsolete my ass.
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This is the issue really, for future game distribution I am ok with digital, although not 100% given the stunts pulled in some cases.

However its not acceptable really to just ditch a optical drive on a platform and then give the consumer no way to transfer physical to digital license. Probably the main reason the drive is still available as a bolt on.
 
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Dr. Dro said:
That still doesn't work around the fact most games won't fit in a 25 or 50 GB Blu-ray disc, nor addresses the low data throughput (lengthy installs), or fragility of the media.

IMO a resurgence of the physical cartridge has to occur, if physical distribution is to remain a thing.
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I was with you until this. Rubbing toothpaste or banana peels on a microsd just won't feel the same /s
 
starfals said:
but nobody is mad at $1600(atm 2100) RTX 4090
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Many were upset in german based forums. The high price of NVIDIA 4090 was very often criticised. Launch prices gets very often criticised for AMD and NVIDIA gpus what I read so far in past 3-4 years. Personally I'm not that happy to have paid a surplus for my already sold AMD Radeon 6600XT / 6800 non XT or my existing Radeon 7800XT. (@Gooigi's Ex if you see a difference besides RDNA 2 vs RDNA 3 --> there is less idle power draw in my operating systems for the worse MSI Radeon 6800 Z Trio and the better Powercolor 7800XT hellhound. They fans are also much quieter as on the ASROCK Challenger 6600XT 8GB D or MSI Radeon 6800 Z Trio).

Back to topic: Yesterday I read, that the PS5 Pro console is far too expensive.
 
Launched 1 year too late, Pro should be a mid-gen refresh, not 5 years in.

Price will drop for sure. Good for console players to get a faster alternative tho. No-one forces you to do buy. If I was mainly a console gamer, I would have bought it in a heartbeat, but my consoles tend to collect dust. Still have PS4 Pro with a ton of exclusives but PS5 did not really lure me in yet and probably won't, considering the lack of exclusives.

PS4 had tons of exclusives in comparison and I still use my PS4 Pro sometimes and probably will keep doing that. Love the Uncharted franchise.
 
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razaron said:
I was with you until this. Rubbing toothpaste or banana peels on a microsd just won't feel the same /s
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I've been a PC guy for so long TIL people do that to get discs to read
 
Dr. Dro said:
Think about it logically, without the added emotion. This is a Pro console. It's advanced hardware which will clearly require higher resolution assets to achieve its goal of 8K-quality gaming. You'll be increasingly going against the limits of Blu-ray disc media, and even if by some miracle you compress an AAA under 100 GB of assets (quadruple capacity BD-XL media). Assuming the PS5 could read this at 16x BD speed, a consistent 68.6 MB/s (which it physically cannot due to how optical discs work), it would take. at a bare minimum, 24 minutes to install plus decompression time. High balling it a bit, i'd say 40 minutes if it is an optimal scenario with perfectly clean, defect-free media. Plus download, patching, etc. - Let's remember console audiences and the extra fragility of high-density optical storage.
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I am thinking about it logically. It's why I know 8K gaming is pure marketing speak and not a real thing. A PS5 Pro console is not going to have quality 8K gaming. A PC with a 7800X3D and a 4090 is incapable of such a feat. So how is a console with weaker hardware going to pull it off. You also seem to be unaware of the internet download speeds of most of the world. With few exceptions installing from the disc faster than downloading the game but that's only the secondary reason for physical media in the first place. It's the reason I've purchased Asia region versions of some of my Switch games. The game is on the disc. Or cartridge in case of the Switch.
Dr. Dro said:
As for the recurrent "you don't own digital games", I'm still waiting on Valve to shutdown Steam and take them all :rolleyes:
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Valve is the exception, not the rule. Don't pretend that there hasn't been incidents of people losing access to digital media they bought. This has been most prevalent with movies but it has reared it's head on the console front as well. Every console manufacturer has shut down at least one of their digital store fronts. Sony has shown that they have no issue disabling digital content that was previously playable on their consoles. I.e. them disabling the Stellar Blade demo on people's consoles when they accidently put it up for download early.
 
Comparing the ps5 to ps5 pro rt performance was like Comparing gtx 1080ti to rtx 2080 ti rt performance. :laugh:
 
Darc Requiem said:
how is a console with weaker hardware going to pull it off
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It won't, just like the PS5 can't pull 4K either. But that doesn't matter to the target audience, who doesn't know any better. They'll be like "ooh, shiny." ;)
 
Come on, you're telling me users paying 50% more for 10% more Jiggarays know better :slap:

And of course the classic ~
Lord Of The Rings Bridezilla GIF by Max
 
Dr. Dro said:
It won't, just like the PS5 can't pull 4K either. But that doesn't matter to the target audience, who doesn't know any better. They'll be like "ooh, shiny." ;)
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I mean the PS5 add on disk drive is selling out and is high on the list on Amazon best sellers.... Pretty sure that has to do with the PS5 pro.

This hardware is clearly a test to see how thet can price the PS6 they are so far ahead if Microsoft they don't need a refreshed console. Microsoft charges 599 for the white all digital Xbox series X which is a much bigger scam than this.
 
oxrufiioxo said:
Idk man all my neighbors drive Tesla and 80K+ pickup trucks they probably wouldn't think twice about grabbing it for their kids.

If my kid was older I'd get him one for Xmas although if my wife let me I'd rather build him a 2000 usd pc lol.

Either way I'd like DF to build a 800 usd pc and compare it in gaming lol. I think it could be beaten for 1k though if somebody builds the pc themselves which is a lot more niche than people on this forum seem to think.
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For higher-income families, dropping $700 on a gift for the kids is probably a breeze. There's definitely a market for it, but I suspect for the majority of lower-income families, the $700 price tag might be a tough pill to swallow.

As for my boys... they ain't getting one, they don't deserve one. Its the toughest business in the world to manage their screen time. Doesn't help being a gamer myself lol... my eldest is 6 and he's as sharp as a whip, literally gives me BEEF. I call him "dad".
 
wheresmycar said:
For higher-income families, dropping $700 on a gift for the kids is probably a breeze. There's definitely a market for it, but I suspect for the majority of lower-income families, the $700 price tag might be a tough pill to swallow.

As for my boys... they ain't getting one, they don't deserve one. Its the toughest business in the world to manage their screen time. Doesn't help being a gamer myself lol... my eldest is 6 and he's as sharp as a whip, literally gives me BEEF. I call him "dad".
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The price sucks don't get me wrong I just wonder how many people complaining in this forum would buy it regardless of price.

It's right on the edge of what I'd spend on a console but I'll probably wait for GTA6 to grab one.

It also seemingly fixes my biggest annoyance with PS5 the reliance on FSR which has really killed console gaming for me.

My wife doesn't feel it's that expensive she's probably more the target audience if she wasn't spending so much time chasing around a toddler she'd want to get it at launch. She'd still rather game on console even though we have 3 capable gaming PC's.
 
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