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The cooling maybe? Not sure what else.Why shouldn't this compete against the other a770's though? What makes this one $50 more special than the other two?
The cooling maybe? Not sure what else.Why shouldn't this compete against the other a770's though? What makes this one $50 more special than the other two?
System Name | H7 Flow 2024 |
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Processor | AMD 5800X3D |
Motherboard | Asus X570 Tough Gaming |
Cooling | Custom liquid |
Memory | 32 GB DDR4 |
Video Card(s) | Intel ARC A750 |
Storage | Crucial P5 Plus 2TB. |
Display(s) | AOC 24" Freesync 1m.s. 75Hz |
Mouse | Lenovo |
Keyboard | Eweadn Mechanical |
Software | W11 Pro 64 bit |
Past reviews said ‘Not as good as DLSS’ but I guess saying what isn’t possible is somehow better. Who knew?That DLSS remark as a con even with the qualifier is not fair unless you remark on every nvidia and amd review their lack of XeSS and or FSR (which of course work on other cards). DLSS is specifically an nvidia tech. You cant blame and non nvidia card for not having DLSS.
System Name | Fujitsu Siemens, HP Workstation |
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Processor | Athlon x2 5000+ 3.1GHz, i5 2400 |
Motherboard | Asus |
Memory | 4GB Samsung |
Video Card(s) | rx 460 4gb |
Storage | 750 Evo 250 +2tb |
Display(s) | Asus 1680x1050 4K HDR |
Audio Device(s) | Pioneer |
Power Supply | 430W |
Mouse | Acme |
Keyboard | Trust |
System Name | The Workhorse |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen R9 5900X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte Aorus B550 Pro |
Cooling | CPU - Noctua NH-D15S Case - 3 Noctua NF-A14 PWM at the bottom, 2 Fractal Design 180mm at the front |
Memory | GSkill Trident Z 3200CL14 |
Video Card(s) | NVidia GTX 1070 MSI QuickSilver |
Storage | Adata SX8200Pro |
Display(s) | LG 32GK850G |
Case | Fractal Design Torrent (Solid) |
Audio Device(s) | FiiO E-10K DAC/Amp, Samson Meteorite USB Microphone |
Power Supply | Corsair RMx850 (2018) |
Mouse | Razer Viper (Original) on a X-Raypad Equate Plus V2 |
Keyboard | Cooler Master QuickFire Rapid TKL keyboard (Cherry MX Black) |
Software | Windows 11 Pro (24H2) |
By that logic NONE of the cards in that price bracket are “future-proof”. Not to mention that performance future-proofing in GPUs is mostly a dead meme, unless we’re talking insane halo cards like the 4090 that can be relevant across multiple generations.Not future-proof card at all ... i think in 2 or 3 years you can't even play 1080p with this card
It will all be Taiwan and China. Pretty much the only exception would be PNY and… that’s it? I think?Just make a list from where every manufacturer comes from.
System Name | Best AMD Computer |
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Processor | AMD 7900X3D |
Motherboard | Asus X670E E Strix |
Cooling | In Win SR36 |
Memory | GSKILL DDR5 32GB 5200 30 |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire Pulse 7900XT (Watercooled) |
Storage | Corsair MP 700, Seagate 530 2Tb, Adata SX8200 2TBx2, Kingston 2 TBx2, Micron 8 TB, WD AN 1500 |
Display(s) | GIGABYTE FV43U |
Case | Corsair 7000D Airflow |
Audio Device(s) | Corsair Void Pro, Logitch Z523 5.1 |
Power Supply | Deepcool 1000M |
Mouse | Logitech g7 gaming mouse |
Keyboard | Logitech G510 |
Software | Windows 11 Pro 64 Steam. GOG, Uplay, Origin |
Benchmark Scores | Firestrike: 46183 Time Spy: 25121 |
Processor | Intel® Core™ i7-13700K |
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Motherboard | Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15 |
Memory | 32GB(2x16) DDR5@6600MHz G-Skill Trident Z5 |
Video Card(s) | ZOTAC GAMING GeForce RTX 3080 AMP Holo |
Storage | 2TB SK Platinum P41 SSD + 4TB SanDisk Ultra SSD + 500GB Samsung 840 EVO SSD |
Display(s) | Acer Predator X34 3440x1440@100Hz G-Sync |
Case | NZXT PHANTOM410-BK |
Audio Device(s) | Creative X-Fi Titanium PCIe |
Power Supply | Corsair 850W |
Mouse | Logitech Hero G502 SE |
Software | Windows 11 Pro - 64bit |
Benchmark Scores | 30FPS in NFS:Rivals |
Processor | Ryzen 7 5700X |
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Memory | 48 GB |
Video Card(s) | RTX 4080 |
Storage | 2x HDD RAID 1, 3x M.2 NVMe |
Display(s) | 30" 2560x1600 + 19" 1280x1024 |
Software | Windows 10 64-bit |
Ah yes, I remember using that wording, does it matter that much? All I want is you to think "oh, no DLSS? What does this mean? Oh no framegen either? Hmm .. does this matter to me? Yes or no"Past reviews said ‘Not as good as DLSS’ but I guess saying what isn’t possible is somehow better. Who knew?
By that logic NONE of the cards in that price bracket are “future-proof”. Not to mention that performance future-proofing in GPUs is mostly a dead meme, unless we’re talking insane halo cards like the 4090 that can be relevant across multiple generations.
System Name | The Workhorse |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen R9 5900X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte Aorus B550 Pro |
Cooling | CPU - Noctua NH-D15S Case - 3 Noctua NF-A14 PWM at the bottom, 2 Fractal Design 180mm at the front |
Memory | GSkill Trident Z 3200CL14 |
Video Card(s) | NVidia GTX 1070 MSI QuickSilver |
Storage | Adata SX8200Pro |
Display(s) | LG 32GK850G |
Case | Fractal Design Torrent (Solid) |
Audio Device(s) | FiiO E-10K DAC/Amp, Samson Meteorite USB Microphone |
Power Supply | Corsair RMx850 (2018) |
Mouse | Razer Viper (Original) on a X-Raypad Equate Plus V2 |
Keyboard | Cooler Master QuickFire Rapid TKL keyboard (Cherry MX Black) |
Software | Windows 11 Pro (24H2) |
Processor | AMD Ryzen 5 4600G @4300mhz |
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Motherboard | MSI B550-Pro VC |
Cooling | Scythe Mugen 5 Black Edition |
Memory | 16GB DDR4 4133Mhz Dual Channel |
Video Card(s) | IGP AMD Vega 7 Renoir @2300mhz (8GB Shared memory) |
Storage | 256GB NVMe PCI-E 3.0 - 6TB HDD - 4TB HDD |
Display(s) | Samsung SyncMaster T22B350 |
Software | Xubuntu 24.04 LTS x64 + Windows 10 x64 |
This card should have been priced at 199$ including the taxes, to have any meaningful value.
Otherwise, there is no point of paying a little more for an RTX 4060 who can also have DLSS with Frame Generation.
I mean, is a non brainer....
System Name | Bragging Rights |
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Processor | Atom Z3735F 1.33GHz |
Motherboard | It has no markings but it's green |
Cooling | No, it's a 2.2W processor |
Memory | 2GB DDR3L-1333 |
Video Card(s) | Gen7 Intel HD (4EU @ 311MHz) |
Storage | 32GB eMMC and 128GB Sandisk Extreme U3 |
Display(s) | 10" IPS 1280x800 60Hz |
Case | Veddha T2 |
Audio Device(s) | Apparently, yes |
Power Supply | Samsung 18W 5V fast-charger |
Mouse | MX Anywhere 2 |
Keyboard | Logitech MX Keys (not Cherry MX at all) |
VR HMD | Samsung Oddyssey, not that I'd plug it into this though.... |
Software | W10 21H1, barely |
Benchmark Scores | I once clocked a Celeron-300A to 564MHz on an Abit BE6 and it scored over 9000. |
This is utterly irrelevant, if people look at and decide for about the same price, they'd rather play it safe with Nvidia (or even AMD, but this is AMD's problem as well).They are playing the long game.
Their main issue is the drivers, specifically that AMD and Nvidia drivers pretty much have optimizations for every game ever. Another aspect is that Nvidia and AMD have a crew of driver coders with vast experience, while Intel is building that out from mostly scratch.
The hardware here should be competitive with the 4070 and 6700 XT. There are only a few games where this really shows, but it is a feat that never happens with for example a 6600 XT or 3060 Ti.
What this review mostly shows is where they are in that driver and driver team build-out. Looks like at least a couple more years to go.
You'd be wrong, on both points(no offense intended). They are the most expensive currently and the performance is nearly identical. Unless by "cheap" you meant lower quality. That's a bit subjective but I would not disagree. This is where AsRock also gets a win, IMPO.I might be wrong, but it's my belief that the Sparkle is the cheapest of the A770's and least performant.
That would not be unwise. Intel's offerings seem to be very good. And they look good.Personally I prefer the Intel design, not the partners.
Some of us don't use either, so it doesn't factor in."oh, no DLSS? What does this mean? Oh no framegen either? Hmm .. does this matter to me? Yes or no"
That's an optimistic interpretation of the results. Its performance averages closer to the regular 3060 than to the 3060 Ti.Lets be fair, this A770 is competing with the 3060ti and 4060
System Name | Skunkworks 3.0 |
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Processor | 5800x3d |
Motherboard | x570 unify |
Cooling | Noctua NH-U12A |
Memory | 32GB 3600 mhz |
Video Card(s) | asrock 6800xt challenger D |
Storage | Sabarent rocket 4.0 2TB, MX 500 2TB |
Display(s) | Asus 1440p144 27" |
Case | Old arse cooler master 932 |
Power Supply | Corsair 1200w platinum |
Mouse | *squeak* |
Keyboard | Some old office thing |
Software | Manjaro |
The A770 was originally a $400 card in its 16GB form. I doubt they would be breaking even at $200.This card should have been priced at 199$ including the taxes, to have any meaningful value.
Otherwise, there is no point of paying a little more for an RTX 4060 who can also have DLSS with Frame Generation.
I mean, is a non brainer....
My hat is split between "arch problem" and "driver problem". The two are linked, IIRC the intel devs have to work around Arc's issues with every driver, hence why drivers are seeing huge improvements per game but not across the board. It's a work intensive way of doing it, hopefully battlemage fixes it.I wonder. Is Arc's problem:
massive bugs (shades of AMD's claim with RDNA3)
design that scales horribly
woefully inefficient
All 3? And more? The tiny preview for this for me was the NUC6 line 8 years ago. That had the first Iris Plus iGPU in the Skylake i5 NUC (currently my TV server's front end) with 384 cores + 64MB eDRAM at 20W TDP, easily beating the older gen Crystalwell Iris Pro with 320 cores +128MB eDRAM using 47W. So seemingly a good design. But then there was the upmarket stablemate i7 Skylake NUC with 512 cores + 128MB eDRAM, 25% faster DDR4 and a 45W TDP. Which was only 15-20% faster. That is damn poor scaling.
I thought this apparent scaling issue would have been fixed 2 GPU architectures later but apparently not. I hope Battlemage is considerably better.
You are absolutely right, it is a last gen product, so it may not be super fair to compare it to a 4060.-TBF the A770 is on 6nm, so a little more compact than the N7 process the Rx6000 dies went with but not the N5/N4 the Rx7xxx and Ada dies are going with. 7600 is N6 as well.
6700XT on 7nm is 237mm2. 6900xt's N21 die was 520mm2.
So really a huge performance failure in raster workloads.
The A770 is a 406mm2 6nm card. It's bigger then a RTX 3070 and made on a last gen node. It's power use is gonna look like poo next to ~200mm2 5/4nm cards.Anyone understand why power consumption is so poor?
Try reading that review a little closer. You're missing a few things. Important things, context things.That's an optimistic interpretation of the results. Its performance averages closer to the regular 3060 than to the 3060 Ti.
At 1080p, 3% delta from the 3060, 25% delta from the 3060 Ti
At 1440p, 11% delta from the 3060, 16% delta from the 3060 Ti
Sparkle Arc A770 ROC Review
The Sparkle Arc A770 ROC is a custom design variant of the Intel Arc A770. It comes with a capable cooler design that's still compact enough to fit into all cases. How does Intel's discrete GPU do in late 2024? Is it a good alternative to RTX 4060 and RX 7600? Read on to find out.www.techpowerup.com
For whatever reason the idle clocks are very high on the A770 and they haven't been able to reduce it.Anyone understand why power consumption is so poor?
Such as?Try reading that review a little closer. You're missing a few things. Important things, context things.
Well, what did I say earlier(that you quoted)? With that in mind what do you think you missed? Do you think I pulled what I said out of my backside or do you think there's some context there?Such as?
If you mean the price, then you're missing what I'm getting at. You said the A770 competes with the 4060 and the 3060 Ti. The 4060 I think is a fair comparison, which is why I didn't mention that, but the A770 does not compete with the 3060 Ti in either performance nor price. They aren't the same tier of card.Well, what did I say earlier(that you quoted)? With that in mind what do you think you missed? Do you think I pulled what I said out of my backside or do you think there's some context there?
(hint, I'm not going to hold your hand...)
And that's what you missed. Go back and re-read the review. What I'm getting at is that you are making your statement based on the general averages, whereas what I was saying earlier is based on individual benchmarks, in which many favor the A770 over certain other GPU's. Put another way, it's very dependent on the game.but the A770 does not compete with the 3060 Ti in either performance