SSD virgin's first SSD.

OneMoar · Jul 14, 2022

Valantar said:
Wierd, that's the first I've heard of them failing at any rate above what's normal.

I service 100 machines a month a good handful of ones that shipped with a WDBLUE (the SN520 500GB in particular) I have had fail likely due to overheating I have had black drives in my personal machine start reallocating sectors within 8 months

remember that these drives are not made by western digital they are re-badged sandisk which are selected from the lower bin oems
in short cheap crap

Valantar · Jul 14, 2022

OneMoar said:
I service 100 machines a month a good handful of ones that shipped with a WDBLUE (the SN520 500GB in particular) I have had fail likely due to overheating I have had black drives in my personal machine start reallocating sectors within 8 months

remember that these drives are not made by western digital they are re-badged sandisk which are selected from the lower bin oems
in short cheap crap

First off, SN520 is not the same as SN570. Second, what is wrong with Sandisk? They're a respected flash memory brand. And what on earth does "which are selected from the lower bin oems" mean?

Toothless · Jul 14, 2022

Valantar said:
First off, SN520 is not the same as SN570. Second, what is wrong with Sandisk? They're a respected flash memory brand. And what on earth does "which are selected from the lower bin oems" mean?

Every single Sandisk usb drive or ssd has died that I've owned. Their bundled software with their usb drives is garbage. Nothing lasts long, same with the quality of the brand.

The red spirit · Jul 14, 2022

Toothless said:
Every single Sandisk usb drive or ssd has died that I've owned. Their bundled software with their usb drives is garbage. Nothing lasts long, same with the quality of the brand.

Meh, none of their microSD cards died to me.

OneMoar · Jul 14, 2022

ye were warned do as you will

Dr. Dro · Jul 15, 2022

Valantar said:
You shouldn't get too lost in TBW ratings. Sure, they are an indication of the overall endurance of the drive, but think about the numbers: 320TBW for a 3-year warranty means that to wear out the drive by the end of the warranty, you would need to write 292GB of data to the drive every single day. For any home user that is ridiculously unrealistic. Do you download three copies of the latest CoD every single day?

For reference, my roughly 1-year-old 2TB drive has currently seen 15.65TBW. If it had a 320TBW rating, that would indicate it still had ~19.5 years of life left in it at my current usage levels. Of course, being a larger drive it has a significantly higher rating than that. In short: TBW ratings don't really say much about the useful lifetime of a drive for consumer usage. You'll never come close to that rating anyhow.

100%, you nailed it. My 160 GB Intel drive I mentioned earlier with 97% lifetime in it saw 23 TB written over 11 years of ownership. It's still banging. Eating up through the TBW is easier with larger capacity drives but it brings it back to my initial question on the thread, what are you using the system for and how much are you gonna write to it? Surely not 300 GB a day every day for a gaming computer

Valantar · Jul 15, 2022

Toothless said:
Every single Sandisk usb drive or ssd has died that I've owned. Their bundled software with their usb drives is garbage. Nothing lasts long, same with the quality of the brand.

That's weird. I've got SanDisk SD cards that have been going strong for more than a decade, and several USB drives that are also getting on in years, with no signs of failure. Guess YMMV. I don't think I've ever used the bundled software with any external storage (except for those that give you a key for Acronis True Image or some such).

Vario · Jul 15, 2022

8tyone said:
Do I have to buy heatsink for the p300? Or the standard motherboard provided should do the job?

Don't even bother with a heatsink. I suspect the standard motherboard heatsinks just make things run hotter. Modern NVMe don't require heatsinks.

P4-630 · Jul 15, 2022

Vario said:
Modern NVMe don't require heatsinks.

Ever heard of NVMe PCIe 4.0?....

R0H1T · Jul 15, 2022

Even some of the high end PCIe 3.0 drives heat up massively, in a case with poor cooling you definitely need something to cool them not necessarily active cooing though!

dirtyferret · Jul 15, 2022

OneMoar said:
remember that these drives are not made by western digital they are re-badged sandisk which are selected from the lower bin oems

True but WD purchased sandisk because at the time they had no presence in SSDs. It's not like they purchased a competitor to repurpose as a cheaper brand (like HP purchasing Compaq way back when)

Valantar said:
First off, SN520 is not the same as SN570. Second, what is wrong with Sandisk?

Ive never had a WD or Sandisk drive fail on me be it HDD, SSD, USB, SD card, etc.,

Toothless said:
Every single Sandisk usb drive or ssd has died that I've owned.

Well if you stopped chewing on them maybe they would work...and you would have some teeth left!

defaultluser · Jul 15, 2022

another good brand is the Micro center house brand - cheap, high-performance TLC, and reliable.

https://www.amazon.com/Inland-Professional-240GB-Internal-Solid/dp/B07FM9SSP6?th=1

pcie 3

https://www.amazon.com/Inland-Platinum-Internal-Compatible-Solutions/dp/B08FT4J52Z?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1&psc=1

pcie 4

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09H2VWYTT/ref=sspa_dk_detail_5?pd_rd_i=B09H2VWYTT&pd_rd_w=WT7hy&content-id=amzn1.sym.3481f441-61ac-4028-9c1a-7f9ce8ec50c5&pf_rd_p=3481f441-61ac-4028-9c1a-7f9ce8ec50c5&pf_rd_r=1JRQ1MS2ZCMK7265HKJ8&pd_rd_wg=TvmSZ&pd_rd_r=9358acd6-3ebe-4bae-912b-b2842db64923&s=pc&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExRkRVS09YUUtXSjZNJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwODA5NzExMlgzTVhKVUhYODhHRCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwMDA1MzM2MU9JTUU1NFNSNEVaNCZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2RldGFpbF90aGVtYXRpYyZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU&th=1

Vario · Jul 15, 2022

R0H1T said:
Even some of the high end PCIe 3.0 drives heat up massively, in a case with poor cooling you definitely need something to cool them not necessarily active cooing though!

I have 3 high end PCIe 3 and they typically don't exceed 50, they typically sit in 30 to 50C range. All with no heatsinks.

R0H1T · Jul 15, 2022

And what's your ambient temps like? If he's not using AC in the PC room then temps in India can easily be 35-40C or even higher during 6-8 months in a year!

Vario · Jul 15, 2022

R0H1T said:
And what's your ambient temps like? If he's not using AC in the PC room then temps in India can easily be 35-40C or even higher during 6-8 months in a year!

That is a good point, maybe I'd suggest installing the drives without heatsink first and see how they run and if they exceed 60 on the regular then buy an aftermarket heatsink. My ambient is 29C.

newtekie1 · Jul 15, 2022

P4-630 said:
Ever heard of NVMe PCIe 4.0?....

It's still not required, it's just preferred.

dirtyferret said:
Ive never had a WD or Sandisk drive fail on me be it HDD, SSD, USB, SD card, etc.,

I've had plenty of their HDDs fail on me, but I've deployed tons too. Personally I wouldn't touch a WD Blue HDD.

Their SSDs on the other hand are a totally different product. I've deployed a good 1000 and haven't seen a failure yet. The reality is the failure rate of any good brand name is going to be so low it isn't really anything you really have to be concerned about.

TheLostSwede · Jul 15, 2022

defaultluser said:
another good brand is the Micro center house brand - cheap, high-performance TLC, and reliable.

https://www.amazon.com/Inland-Professional-240GB-Internal-Solid/dp/B07FM9SSP6?th=1

pcie 3

https://www.amazon.com/Inland-Platinum-Internal-Compatible-Solutions/dp/B08FT4J52Z?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1&psc=1

pcie 4

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09H2VWYTT/ref=sspa_dk_detail_5?pd_rd_i=B09H2VWYTT&pd_rd_w=WT7hy&content-id=amzn1.sym.3481f441-61ac-4028-9c1a-7f9ce8ec50c5&pf_rd_p=3481f441-61ac-4028-9c1a-7f9ce8ec50c5&pf_rd_r=1JRQ1MS2ZCMK7265HKJ8&pd_rd_wg=TvmSZ&pd_rd_r=9358acd6-3ebe-4bae-912b-b2842db64923&s=pc&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExRkRVS09YUUtXSjZNJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwODA5NzExMlgzTVhKVUhYODhHRCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwMDA1MzM2MU9JTUU1NFNSNEVaNCZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2RldGFpbF90aGVtYXRpYyZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU&th=1

The OP lives in India, not the US.

8tyone · Jul 15, 2022

The motherboard provided heatsink one should be fine right? I mean if there is any need for it...

edit: added "heatsink"

defaultluser · Jul 15, 2022

TheLostSwede said:
The OP lives in India, not the US.

Well, actually:

Amazon.in : Inland

They seem to have a full stock available outside the us!

Toothless · Jul 15, 2022

8tyone said:
The motherboard provided heatsink one should be fine right? I mean if there is any need for it...

edit: added "heatsink"

Yes, it'll be fine. My girlfriend uses that same exact board with an NVME tucked under a 1080ti. No issues at all.

You DO want to use the heatsink.

8tyone · Jul 15, 2022

Toothless said:
Yes, it'll be fine. My girlfriend uses that same exact board with an NVME tucked under a 1080ti. No issues at all.

You DO want to use the heatsink.

Thanks, I was thinking if I have to buy heatsink separately, why not get the Adata Swordfish which comes with its own heatsink.

Toothless · Jul 15, 2022

8tyone said:
Thanks, I was thinking if I have to buy heatsink separately, why not get the Adata Swordfish which comes with its own heatsink.

Spare parts is never a bad thing.

Valantar · Jul 15, 2022

Toothless said:
Spare parts is never a bad thing.

Hey, speak for yourself, I've been trying to organize mine, and it's hell!

Toothless · Jul 15, 2022

Valantar said:
Hey, speak for yourself, I've been trying to organize mine, and it's hell!

I never said mine was organized

Valantar · Jul 16, 2022

Toothless said:
I never said mine was organized

No, but spare parts are a bad thing when you're drowning in them!

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SSD virgin's first SSD.

OneMoar

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