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My advice would be: think about what expansion, connectivity, and upgrade options you're likely to want/need, and make the decision based on that.

There's no point in spending more for features you won't use. A low-end B650 motherboard like a Gigabyte B650 Eagle AX would be more than enough for most gamers with a Ryzen 7 9800X3D. Most of ASUS's entry-level AM5 motherboards suck, but they have some decent midrange options like the TUF GAMING B650M-PLUS WIFI, which is an especially good option for micro-ATX PCs. The ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2 is generally regarded as the best low-end B650 motherboard, is what I would personally choose, and may be worth considering if you're looking for a cheaper micro-ATX option or if (like me) you just don't need a ton of connectivity. I would recommend against getting anything worse than that, including similarly-priced ASUS or Gigabyte motherboards. Gigabyte and ASUS' entry-level motherboards generally aren't as good as ASRock's this generation (in previous generations, ASRock's HDV motherboards were god-awful, but ASRock has apparently finally realised that making the unambiguously-worst motherboards on the market was damaging their reputation).

If you want to overclock, especially if you're likely to want to upgrade to a significantly more powerful CPU in the future, you should get a motherboard with a better Voltage Regulator Module (VRM). The Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite AX is a great option if you're looking for a significant VRM improvement compared to the low-end AM5 motherboards, without being a lot more expensive. For some reason, the B650 Aorus Elite AX actually has a better VRM than its B650E counterpart, with a 14-phase 70A VCore compared only 12-phase 60A on the B650E. If you're really serious about overclocking, X870/X670E/X870E ROG Strix/Crosshair and Aorus Pro/Master boards might be worth considering, but these would be a waste of money for most people.

If you want more USB ports, more PCIe slots, more M.2 and PCIe slots with PCIe 5.0, more SATA ports, more RGB headers, USB4 support, or any other features that are only available on more expensive motherboards, then don't be afraid to spend more for those features, just be aware that the more different requirements you have, the harder it will be to find a motherboard that will meet your needs for a reasonable price. The ASRock B650 Steel Legend WiFi (which is actually a B650E motherboard, but is named differently to distinguish it from the B650E Steel Legend WiFi, which is a different motherboard with a better VRM but worse connectivity; ASRock's naming is incredibly dumb, even if the board is good) is usually the cheapest AM5 motherboard with PCIe 5.0 for both its top PCIe x16 slot and its top M.2 slot. If you want to stick with ASUS and Gigabyte, the ASUS ROG Strix B650E-F Gaming WiFi and Gigabyte X870 Eagle WiFi7 are both good options for PCIe 5.0 connectivity (and also USB4, in the case of the X870).
Thank you. I did not need to post much after this. All of those boards are not as expensive as other boards but well equipped. You did not mention the X670E Strix E for storage. It is nothing right now but having 4 Pcie 5.0 slots (Including PCIe slot) is kind of insane. It also has 3 USB C ports on the rear I/O. It is expensive but kind of worth it. I would not get the X870E Strix before looking at that though.
 

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Every board today has the BIOS-FlashBack feature. So an unsupported CPU for a board out of the box is a non-issue.
Its simple to flash the BIOS without even installing the CPU (yes with blank CPU socket).

A 9800X3D for 10+ years? Sure it can be done but in OP's place I would wait to see what dual CCD X3Ds have to offer.
AMD might have something up the sleeve for this round.
Was wondering how that would work, been out of the loop for a while... good to know. I don't do anything outside of heavy gaming that would require serious CPU power to want to pay a huge premium for more non 3D V-Cache cores when that money could go into a better GPU. I'm well aware of how little CPU matters for single player gaming if comfortable with 60-90 fps, was still getting that in almost every game on my i5 from 2012 in 1080p gaming with a modern mid range GPU using mostly high graphics settings, along with solid 165 fps in Overwatch 2 as my main competitive game. Having bought only 8GB ram is by far what hurt the most in the long run after 12 years, why I'm going all out this time in that department.

Maybe I'm being naive thinking todays motherboards have a good chance of working for a decade with so many corners cut and poor quality control these days while also charging ridiculous prices for high end, wonder what the odds are for boards lasting that long with heavy use. Might be smarter to just get a cheap board and a R7 9700x expecting system fail within 3-7 years at a third of the price of a 9800X3D combo, and doing a new build with the money saved as should be able to reuse everything but the mobo/CPU. Looks like that cheap CPU would perform as good as an overpriced Arrowlake build in games using half the total system power at half the price, which is pretty funny. I don't need more than 60 fps in single player games at 1080p-1440p, and stable 244 fps in Overwatch 2 (which I assume any of these CPU's will achieve, yeah even an r7 7600x will). I do like to emulator game a good bit (Zelda on Switch or PS3 type stuff), where a better CPU would help a lot more than other gaming areas; techpowerup's review showing emulator performance for X3D chips was pretty eye opening.

Guess I'll wait for 9800X3D's release to see price (expecting it to sell out fast or jacked up prices) and how big of an improvement it is over 7800X3D with official reviews while pondering this more. Thanks all for the info/advice.
 

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It was sent by Corsair for the review. I didn't have problems with it besides iCUE (RGB) being a thing. 6000 MT/s it could be Samsung ICs. The CAS would give that away though. Not that it can be anything but Hynix at CAS 30. These happened to be M-Die, before A came out. Idk if they still are.

Still the point was the whole Corsair doesn't work on AM5 has never been a thing that I know of. DOA or running memory above recommended frequencies is a everyone issue.

To everyone else;
I think what people are trying to point out that regardless of the brand 6400 (Dual-rank 64/96GB) in 1:1 UCLK/MEM isnt gurenteed to be stable or boot. Simple solution is 2:1 ratio (which will probably the "auto" applied anyways). This will be much slower than in many instances slower than 5200 MT/s 1:1. So to conclude 6000 MT/s is cheaper, faster vs 2;1 mode. and generally hassle free.
How hard would it to be to just underclock to 6000 MT/s on my kit(it's Hynix) and manually do the timings with stable results? This will be my first DDR5 build and things seem to be quite a headache versus older days of ram timing yourself without much problem.
 

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The Asus X870 motherboards with S/PDIF are on the more expensive side $370
Your RAM is not in the memory QVL list.

Look at the ASRock X870 Steel Legend WiFi $260 (ALC4082+S/PDIF, 8 PCB layer, 4 SATA)
It already has BIOS with AGESA PI 1.2.0.2a
Your RAM is in the memory QVL list, so it should be plug and play if the CPU does not have a
crap memory controller, it may work at 6400MHz, the motherboard has 8 PCB layers, it helps a little bit.

To have less chance of coil whine, avoid Corsair PSU.
Some people with coil whine and Corsair PSU(RMX850), changed to be quiet! Pure/Strait Power 12
and no more coil whine, BUT YMWV!
For PSU look https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/
For coolers https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-cpu-cooler-picks-hardware-busters/

Regardless of your choice, I recommend checking out these tips
Good luck!

UPDATE:
ASUS/ASRock/Gigabyte now have BIOS(AGESA PI 1.2.0.2a) update for the X870 motherboards.
MSI is updating.
Thanks for all that. The ASRock board is exactly what I'm looking for, surprised how cheap it is for what it offers... makes me pause and question it. Already got everything else; reusing D14 Noctua cooler with free AM5 bracket upgrade they offer and high end PSU, was buying parts as major sales came up since start of Oct. taking advantage of extended holiday return policies without worry.

They vastly improved the memory speed support on the new X870 boards and fixed the boot times? Doesn't look like I'll have any problems on these.
 
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How hard would it to be to just underclock to 6000 MT/s on my kit(it's Hynix) and manually do the timings with stable results? This will be my first DDR5 build and things seem to be quite a headache versus older days of ram timing yourself without much problem.
Enable XMP/EXPO in the advanced tab ( easy mode page or advanced BIOS). go to the memory speed spot (probably next to the enable xmp/expo option in advancd) and change to 6000 from 6400. It will keep all the same profile settings but at the lower frequency you set.

So one extra step to go from 6400 to 6000.
 
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I'd personally look for a board with at least two m.2 slots, preferably 3 or 4 slots. As for age/longevity, my mom is still using an old amd 955BE system I built in 2009, I think it has a gigabyte board.
 
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I'd personally look for a board with at least two m.2 slots, preferably 3 or 4 slots. As for age/longevity, my mom is still using an old amd 955BE system I built in 2009, I think it has a gigabyte board.

If he's looking at X800-series, the bare minimum is x3 M.2 slots. Sorted!

If you're using a WD850x or Samsung 980Pro SSD, avoid MSI.

Can you elaborate? Not playing nice with MSI?
 

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If you mean to buy a machine for the long haul, I agree with the folks saying wait for the 9900X3D/9950X3D, especially if they have two 3D dies like the recent information we've got states. They'll be great picks for a machine that aims at longevity over raw performance today, even though they will both be excellent performers squarely at the uppermost tier today.

I like Gigabyte's motherboards if building with a durability focus. I've got some low-end Gigabyte boards that have upwards of 40,000 hours of continuous use - being much older than that - and they outlasted the CPU installed in them. Their "Ultra Durable" philosophy isn't just marketing talk. But they tend to be on the slower side regarding BIOS support, so that's also a consideration. If you're looking for that - then a Giga gets my vote.
 
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I like Gigabyte's motherboards if building with a durability focus. I've got some low-end Gigabyte boards that have upwards of 40,000 hours of continuous use
Honestly, if a motherboard can't do 40,000 hours of continuous use, there's something wrong with it. That's less than five years. You should easily get double that out of bargain basement models from any brand. Or at least that used to be the case. These days, who knows, but I don't have any particular reason to doubt that motherboards have gotten less durable, just much more expensive and more prone to buggy behavior for a period of time after launch.
 
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Asrock boards have been favoured before in this thread so I'm upping them here as well for AM5.
X670E Steel Legend I've had a year now & it hasn't let me down with extreme 1:1 & high FLCK OC experiments, rock stable in stress testing, benchmarks & gaming & even more so now with AGESA maturity for X670E at this point in time. Long boot times??? NO. 20 seconds max to windows log in screen! & this using Patriot RAM not even listed on the support page for 9000 series. :rockout:
 
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Was wondering how that would work, been out of the loop for a while... good to know. I don't do anything outside of heavy gaming that would require serious CPU power to want to pay a huge premium for more non 3D V-Cache cores when that money could go into a better GPU. I'm well aware of how little CPU matters for single player gaming if comfortable with 60-90 fps, was still getting that in almost every game on my i5 from 2012 in 1080p gaming with a modern mid range GPU using mostly high graphics settings, along with solid 165 fps in Overwatch 2 as my main competitive game. Having bought only 8GB ram is by far what hurt the most in the long run after 12 years, why I'm going all out this time in that department.

Maybe I'm being naive thinking todays motherboards have a good chance of working for a decade with so many corners cut and poor quality control these days while also charging ridiculous prices for high end, wonder what the odds are for boards lasting that long with heavy use. Might be smarter to just get a cheap board and a R7 9700x expecting system fail within 3-7 years at a third of the price of a 9800X3D combo, and doing a new build with the money saved as should be able to reuse everything but the mobo/CPU. Looks like that cheap CPU would perform as good as an overpriced Arrowlake build in games using half the total system power at half the price, which is pretty funny. I don't need more than 60 fps in single player games at 1080p-1440p, and stable 244 fps in Overwatch 2 (which I assume any of these CPU's will achieve, yeah even an r7 7600x will). I do like to emulator game a good bit (Zelda on Switch or PS3 type stuff), where a better CPU would help a lot more than other gaming areas; techpowerup's review showing emulator performance for X3D chips was pretty eye opening.

Guess I'll wait for 9800X3D's release to see price (expecting it to sell out fast or jacked up prices) and how big of an improvement it is over 7800X3D with official reviews while pondering this more. Thanks all for the info/advice.
Flashing the BIOS without having CPU/Ram installed is straight forward with the aid of a flash drive. Each board vendor has instructions on their website.

As for the dual CCD X3Ds I believe that the new gen will have much higher clocks than last one and because of that there will be no need having a nonX3D CCD on board for the CPU to achieve high clocks/boost/performance on non gaming applications.
Plus there is a chance that AMD has done other improvements also with even more performance, better thermals and so.

I would wait a few months until all parts are out to see what is true or not. Especially if I wanted to change the CPU after many years.
Of course there is the matter of price too…
 
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Honestly, if a motherboard can't do 40,000 hours of continuous use, there's something wrong with it. That's less than five years. You should easily get double that out of bargain basement models from any brand. Or at least that used to be the case. These days, who knows, but I don't have any particular reason to doubt that motherboards have gotten less durable, just much more expensive and more prone to buggy behavior for a period of time after launch.

True, but I mean, nearly non-stop operation with next to no maintenance other than just dusting it every 6 or 7 months. I've a Gigabyte G41MT-S2P from 2011 pulling duty as my server, and it just refuses to croak.
 
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For me, the best options for an AM5 motherboard are ASRock B650 Steel Legend WiFi or ASRock B650E Taichi Lite if you want a bit more premium board with USB4, mainly because of "normal" price and all the supported features for an long lasting platform, they both support PCI Gen 5 on both PCI and M.2 slots as all other more expensive chipsets and motherboards for AM5.

There is simply no need for a higher price motherboard unless you have some specific requirements for M.2 slots, PCI sound cards or something like that because of PCI lane splitting, but in that case you must check each motherboard for it self to see how its configured with slots and ports.

I checked your RAM on the QVL list for both motherboards and the 32 gigs versions kit is listed but not your 64 gig version, but i presume that there won't be any problems since its also a 2 slot kit and not 4 slots which are a lot trickier to run on high speed on AM5.

Both motherboards also support BIOS Flashback so that you can update them to support newest CPU's even without a CPU in the board (most of AM5 boards have this feature)
Also both boards have an Realtek ALC4082 audio codec for which i get that its better than most (im not into audio so much).

My suggestion is to get one of these boards and which ever CPU you will get and try your RAM and see if it all works, if not then maybe manually tune your RAM to 6000Mhz and se if it will run or just run it at 5600 default speed for DDR5 which will work in 99% of times. And then only in case the RAM doesn't work at all, you can switch it for some on QVL list, but im pretty sure that it will work.
 
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I used to use Asus due to the TUF line, but it has been relegated to mediocre after 2014, I built an AM4 in 21 using an AsRock Steel Legend B550, and its been a very robust line. So AsRock gets my pick as well.
Same here. AsRock is my goto brand.

Guess I'll wait for 9800X3D's release to see price (expecting it to sell out fast or jacked up prices) and how big of an improvement it is over 7800X3D with official reviews while pondering this more. Thanks all for the info/advice.
The CPU you choose will depend on what GPU you're looking for and the resolution you will be using, or planning for. Anything 4k and an X3D model will be your best bet.
 
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So...as someone who pulled this with a 3930k, I have to ask why you are doing it? If you buy mid-range you'll rather rapidly be unhappy with the total features. If you buy high range you'll be frustrated that you spent a small fortune and only managed about 6 years before it was all meh. I...think that you'd be better to aim for a low to middle range setup, and replace everything at about the five year mark.

Let me put that into perspective. Middle of the Premium tier (3930k). 6 cores with HT when quad cores were it. Required exotic cooling for stability, though it eventually got by on a huge air cooler and mild underclock. My greatest frustrations were:
1) Minimum USB 3 connections.
2) Limited to SATA III interface on the storage drives.
3) Limited performance after about 4 generations of CPU improvements.
4) Hot runner.

You're getting into bed with the same issues. PCI-e will be to at least 6.0 by the time you replace your hardware. That will either mean Intel/AMD dramatically cut the PCI-e lanes while keeping the same through-put, or massively increase the bandwidth so you can actually get boards with 4+ M.2 connections supported along with the other connectivity. Heck, 2011 to 2021 basically saw the death of sound cards as onboard audio replaced them for most consumers, baked in 10 Gig ethernet instead of 100 Meg, and unfortunately the death of affordable and feature rich motherboards (for the resurrection of GAUDY leds and a system defect numerical indicator light becoming relegated to high end setups.
 
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So...as someone who pulled this with a 3930k, I have to ask why you are doing it? If you buy mid-range you'll rather rapidly be unhappy with the total features. If you buy high range you'll be frustrated that you spent a small fortune and only managed about 6 years before it was all meh. I...think that you'd be better to aim for a low to middle range setup, and replace everything at about the five year mark.

Let me put that into perspective. Middle of the Premium tier (3930k). 6 cores with HT when quad cores were it. Required exotic cooling for stability, though it eventually got by on a huge air cooler and mild underclock. My greatest frustrations were:
1) Minimum USB 3 connections.
2) Limited to SATA III interface on the storage drives.
3) Limited performance after about 4 generations of CPU improvements.
4) Hot runner.

You're getting into bed with the same issues. PCI-e will be to at least 6.0 by the time you replace your hardware. That will either mean Intel/AMD dramatically cut the PCI-e lanes while keeping the same through-put, or massively increase the bandwidth so you can actually get boards with 4+ M.2 connections supported along with the other connectivity. Heck, 2011 to 2021 basically saw the death of sound cards as onboard audio replaced them for most consumers, baked in 10 Gig ethernet instead of 100 Meg, and unfortunately the death of affordable and feature rich motherboards (for the resurrection of GAUDY leds and a system defect numerical indicator light becoming relegated to high end setups.
You're right, I guess that a paradigm shift is more appropriate looking around in today's times the eagerness to buy, buy, buy leads more and more to products that are either extremely expensive or lacking in functionality, but in any case that everyone becomes obsolete in a short time if we look at the cosole/laptop sector the example fits perfectly, me and my dear good old 3930k, We agree. In any case, according to the need, my old one will become a nas and for the new one now I think I'm determined to take the Gigabyte extreme x670e and the 9800x3d hoping that the prices will drop a bit for black friday even if I'm afraid for the availability for the cpu for that date
 
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If you're using a WD850x or Samsung 980Pro SSD, avoid MSI.
Are they incompatible with msi boards, or prone to faillure? I was thinking of pairing the 9800x3d with the msi mag x870 tomahawk , I don't have those drives yet but have them in my optional upgrade list for the near future.
I'm going for the msi board because of price and cpu performance.
 
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Asrock boards have been favoured before in this thread so I'm upping them here as well for AM5.
X670E Steel Legend I've had a year now & it hasn't let me down with extreme 1:1 & high FLCK OC experiments, rock stable in stress testing, benchmarks & gaming & even more so now with AGESA maturity for X670E at this point in time. Long boot times??? NO. 20 seconds max to windows log in screen! & this using Patriot RAM not even listed on the support page for 9000 series. :rockout:
SNAP

Basically the same setup here as well and with quad 16Gb sticks to boot. The only things I am a little disappointed with the board is the 2nd PCIe x16 is only PCIe 3.0 and the two bottom M2s go though the chipset but thats just limitations of AM5 in general and some interesting design choices from Asrock.

But in terms of stability, performance and what I want? Everything just works!
 

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Something about them not working on the CPU M.2 slot. That was 2 years ago and surely has been solved by now. First l've heard of any problems with WD 850X. The 980/990 Pro had firmware issues unrelated to MSI, which also has been fixed in a firmware update.
 
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I'd look at the Asrock X870E nova it's my favorite new board.

The only problem is it must be popular becuase it's been sold out every time I've looked.

If every $$$ matters the Steel legend is in a good spot though.

Ram is fine as long as you don't mind manually setting a couple settings.

9800X3D all the way.
 
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