The 10 year plan computer

[N/A]

5070, 2TB NVMe, plus 2x16GB same, 11700 and 1000W PSU eg corsair rme gold. in that order.

I'd rather get the lowest Core Utra 200 i5 6P+4E core for the modern IPC and DDR5, i9-9900 or equivalent should not cost more than £99.

 

[Melvis]

AM4 was the 10 yr plan PC to jump to at the time (2017/2018) which mine will be, if you plan to start now at 10th Gen Intel your already 5yrs behind, so its more like a 5yr plan at best. If you plan to go a 10yr plan PC jump to AM5 would be your best bet, should be plenty of life/upgrades in the future for that Socket.

 

[Vayra86]

Like others have said in various ways... 10 years is too optimistic, you're setting yourself up for a lot of annoyed moments for the coming decade I reckon.

Don't plan this shit out too much. Much like what I'm thinking I read from your OP, you're a cost conscious buyer like myself. Having A plan is nice. But its also good to keep adjusting the plan to reality.

- Demands change. You say you like high end gaming. You're opting for a 7900GRE to last you the next decade. The only conceivable thing on that card that might last 10 years is the VRAM, if it doesn't artifact prior to that. But: in 10 years, you'll likely want much better RT performance. I hate RT's abysmal performance's guts right now, and I have a 7900XT. It just doesn't pay off, and I'm not paying 20% Nv premium to enjoy 4 games with it. But let's be real: this could be big enough not to ignore anymore in even 5 years time.

- You want to run 10 years on a past gen Intel that isn't even the cream of the crop. Why not a 7800X3D? The very least I would do is move to the most recent RAM & platform. On top of that, on AM5 you could slot in another upgrade somewhere down the line, which in the case of a 10 year life expectancy will definitely be an advantage, you could pick up some 2nd hand CPU even.

Aim for the 5 year mark and then see where things are at. Perhaps cut back on the GPU cost a little bit and funnel more to CPU/platform so you can get a very strong gaming CPU that will last 2 GPU upgrades at least. You're gonna thank yourself later.

 

[Space Lynx]

5070, 2TB NVMe, plus 2x16GB same, 11700 and 1000W PSU eg corsair rme gold. in that order.

if you are spending that much money, you might as well just get a new CPU...

I think his whole idea was staying budget oriented...

I will unwatch and see myself out now though, wasted enough time here.

 

[Vayra86]

Thing is who knows the direction things will take in 10 years from now. Earlier generations of CPUs got axed due to security concerns like never before. Point in case ever stopped to read reviews from the late 2000s? Such as reviews for the original Core i7 processor from 2008.

Back then people probably expected us to have working spacetravel and at least a weekly shuttle to Mars by 2024.

Well... the irony is that like you say people in tech expect things to happen faster than they actually do. If you zoom back out and look at the real paradigm shifts, you could defend a 10 year cycle.

Look at API adoption rates. Look at VR's journey. Look at RT being 3 generations in now..I remember some saying 3 generations was all it needed to be ubiquitous. Its still a PC enthusiast niche though.
Tech really isn't moving quite so fast in that sense, it just depends how fast you want to step into it. Don't mistake early adopters with general users, there's a pretty big gap there and a huge area of gray.

Earlier CPUs got axed for security concerns... yeah. Except nothing a regular consumer needs to care about. At the same time, even on legacy CPUs you can fix a lot of missing features just with software. In other words... there is almost always a way to keep running on older hardware.

But that's more of an academic discussion. Most users will not want to deal with the hassle that comes with keeping legacy going. Ideally, you're keeping your PC usage in between those two extremes of early adoption and going ancient.

 

[AusWolf]

Considering how quickly Nvidia is changing feature support (that is, basically every generation), I'm not sure if an entire PC could last 10 years these days.

Personally, I'd just get the biggest and baddest of everything possible within the budget, so that even if feature sets change in next gen, or next couple of gens, I'd still have the grunt to power through.

With that said, the more expensive your hardware, the more it depreciates in value, so you might be better off spending less now, and saving up for an upgrade a couple years down the line.

 

[#22]

10 years from gaming computer may be doable, but only with assuming that game requirements will progress similarly fast to the past and given hardware won't get obsolete from technological standpoint. But generally such expectations are strange due to needing to buy today at least higher-end hardware, so maxing out settings with high fps and with the pass of time lowering expectations to end up playing lowest settings with barely playable fps. E.g. ten years GTX 980 started strong and today is exact minimum of what you need in most new games for 30fps/1080p/lowest settings and sometimes won't cut it due to 4GB of VRAM. One generation older Kepler cards aged way poorer due to lack of proper DX12 support. Ten years old CPUs are still playable, but rather ones bigger than four cores, so then premium and enthusiast, and only if you don't mind them sentencing your framerate to ~40fps in heavier games and are not smoothness snob.

To give gaming pc highest chances to fulfill this ten-years-plan you want CPU with possibly high single and multicore perfromance, GPU with the biggest VRAM possible and assume that expanding RAM down the road may be needed. Supporting newer standards like e.g. PCIe 5.0 may also come in handy.

 

[DaemonForce]

I like my games with high graphics settings as Im notthat much of a competitive games player.

Well lets take a look at some of the components.
The case is very LARGE like my Koolance server tower, which will more than support any standard ATX mobo. No fitment issues there.
The board supports 10th and 11th gen Intel CPUs which is fine. The loadout appears to be:
g4x4 m_2 ?
g4x16
blank
g3x1
g3x1 g3x4 m_2

As you may guess, I am NOT a fan of this design but it may be fine for your use case. You are not going to have a fun time with this if you're trying to do NVMe RAID so it might be best to load your OS from the (s)lower M.2 slot and dump data over to a massive 2TB disk or bigger for the top slot. That is if you're willing to juggle some sata ports. It's not going to be an issue at first because you're not going to have access to PCI-E g4 speeds or the slot will be disabled entirely, I'm not sure how regressive ASRock is with Intel stuff, just that it's usually awful in the dumbest ways. If your intent is a single user system with no server attached/dependent, it's spooky but probably okay. I'm not fond of this weird M.2 E-Key WiFi module thing that became popular some years ago but may prove useful 10 years from now when M.2 to 10GbE SFP becomes a nice cost effective conversion solution. Keep an eye out for those after year 5 because they should drop out of the $$$ range by then.

The only other thing is this is your IO plate:

Yeah. :/ Those video outs are pretty much decoration and I suggest a USB header adapter or you're going to have a problem much sooner than later.

The CPU is a 10400F which according to Intel is similar enough to my Ryzen 3600 in that it's 6c/12t, 65W and no video features. Seems to like DDR4-2666 memory which is...Lacking. Obviously has all the virtualization extensions for Hyper-V and Docker as we're already 10+ years down that road but it only supports up to 16 PCI-E lanes, so I'm guessing the rest is chipset bound. What can you do? :/ Either go all in 4x8GB or pick up a 2x16GB kit, you'll thank me later. You don't want to be hunting down old silicon (can we call them that?) a few years down the line when you want to match memory kits.

The only real question left unanswered is your target framerate and display settings. We don't know if you're on a 60Hz panel, some antique CRT or other. Worry about the GPU later but personally I do 1080p144 desktop and 2K90 VR. If your target framerate on desktop is 120/144 at 1080p, what you have now should be fine. If you're going 2K or 4K, you're going to need more GPU and CPU to push those pixels. This might be a lot to think about. 10 years of target 60FPS sounds miserable to me.

 

[Sithaer]

I'd suggest pausing for a moment that allows taking prices out of the equation in order to focus on the true purpose and performance of modern day hardware. Not an easy assessment to make. One that is intentionally and pervasively complicated beyond untangling. If one line can be established throughout it would be the importance of matching similar capability hardware even if it appears a specific game itself invalidates need for it.

At least one member here uses an i3 and 3060ti quite capably. With realistic expectations. Just don't overspend or fail to be happy with what you can put together.

I feel like I'm becoming a meme around here or something.
But yea I do have lower expectations/standards than most around here I guess, usually I keep my budget-mid range builds for 3-4 years and then do another upgrade in the same range and sell my previous hardware on the second hand market. 'this is what worked out for me so far and what I can afford'

Tho I agree that 10 years is quite a long shot when it comes to hardware so personally I wouldn't plan for such. 'I mean its possible but at that point features,etc could be a problem depending on the use case'

 

[nomdeplume]

I feel like I'm becoming a meme around here or something.

Nah, that is reserved for upgrading every 1/4 generation fanboys. I'd focus more on the actually being happy part.

 

[Vayra86]

I feel like I'm becoming a meme around here or something.
But yea I do have lower expectations/standards than most around here I guess, usually I keep my budget-mid range builds for 3-4 years and then do another upgrade in the same range and sell my previous hardware on the second hand market. 'this is what worked out for me so far and what I can afford'

Tho I agree that 10 years is quite a long shot when it comes to hardware so personally I wouldn't plan for such. 'I mean its possible but at that point features,etc could be a problem depending on the use case'

You're not. I'm a cheapskate too, except I burn a bit more money on a build and then don't touch it for a longer time than you. Also, I sell everything off again, and within that economy I try to time my upgrades/sales as best I can. Timing (or: not being in a rush, or letting the feelz get the best of you) saves a metric shitton of money. I screwed up on the 7900XT, but then again I had already waited SO long it never really bothered me too much, or at least, I've put that ~150 eur loss behind me lol.

The net result is the same, or samey. Its not entirely true higher end builds are more expensive, you just gotta have the faith that you can ride them longer, and you can, especially now that GPUs don't deprecate as quickly as they used to (slower pace of gen-to-gen perf = more value). Worth a shot perhaps

 

[Dr. Dro]

It's doable just not ideal. There are milestones in technology that have me building and rebuilding by addressing specific components every 5-10 years to where I end up with a copy of the old computer or a bunch of components that lack a circuitboard that glues them all together. It's extremely unusual that I'll dive into a completely new platform like I did with Ryzen 3000 but the difference was telling.

This just seems like an extreme outlier case of frugality?

Well... the irony is that like you say people in tech expect things to happen faster than they actually do. If you zoom back out and look at the real paradigm shifts, you could defend a 10 year cycle.

Look at API adoption rates. Look at VR's journey. Look at RT being 3 generations in now..I remember some saying 3 generations was all it needed to be ubiquitous. Its still a PC enthusiast niche though.
Tech really isn't moving quite so fast in that sense, it just depends how fast you want to step into it. Don't mistake early adopters with general users, there's a pretty big gap there and a huge area of gray.

Earlier CPUs got axed for security concerns... yeah. Except nothing a regular consumer needs to care about. At the same time, even on legacy CPUs you can fix a lot of missing features just with software. In other words... there is almost always a way to keep running on older hardware.

But that's more of an academic discussion. Most users will not want to deal with the hassle that comes with keeping legacy going. Ideally, you're keeping your PC usage in between those two extremes of early adoption and going ancient.

Most of that is due to people's extreme resistance in upgrading Windows, but i'll agree that there's a way to keep older hardware serviceable, it's always a balance between acceptable performance, acceptable level of security, and acceptable cost.

Well lets take a look at some of the components.
The case is very LARGE like my Koolance server tower, which will more than support any standard ATX mobo. No fitment issues there.
The board supports 10th and 11th gen Intel CPUs which is fine. The loadout appears to be:
g4x4 m_2 ?
g4x16
blank
g3x1
g3x1 g3x4 m_2

As you may guess, I am NOT a fan of this design but it may be fine for your use case. You are not going to have a fun time with this if you're trying to do NVMe RAID so it might be best to load your OS from the (s)lower M.2 slot and dump data over to a massive 2TB disk or bigger for the top slot. That is if you're willing to juggle some sata ports. It's not going to be an issue at first because you're not going to have access to PCI-E g4 speeds or the slot will be disabled entirely, I'm not sure how regressive ASRock is with Intel stuff, just that it's usually awful in the dumbest ways. If your intent is a single user system with no server attached/dependent, it's spooky but probably okay. I'm not fond of this weird M.2 E-Key WiFi module thing that became popular some years ago but may prove useful 10 years from now when M.2 to 10GbE SFP becomes a nice cost effective conversion solution. Keep an eye out for those after year 5 because they should drop out of the $$$ range by then.

The only other thing is this is your IO plate:
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Yeah. :/ Those video outs are pretty much decoration and I suggest a USB header adapter or you're going to have a problem much sooner than later.

The CPU is a 10400F which according to Intel is similar enough to my Ryzen 3600 in that it's 6c/12t, 65W and no video features. Seems to like DDR4-2666 memory which is...Lacking. Obviously has all the virtualization extensions for Hyper-V and Docker as we're already 10+ years down that road but it only supports up to 16 PCI-E lanes, so I'm guessing the rest is chipset bound. What can you do? :/ Either go all in 4x8GB or pick up a 2x16GB kit, you'll thank me later. You don't want to be hunting down old silicon (can we call them that?) a few years down the line when you want to match memory kits.

The only real question left unanswered is your target framerate and display settings. We don't know if you're on a 60Hz panel, some antique CRT or other. Worry about the GPU later but personally I do 1080p144 desktop and 2K90 VR. If your target framerate on desktop is 120/144 at 1080p, what you have now should be fine. If you're going 2K or 4K, you're going to need more GPU and CPU to push those pixels. This might be a lot to think about. 10 years of target 60FPS sounds miserable to me.

It's obviously a budget system with a dirt cheap motherboard and dirt cheap components that will simply not do what OP wants, though. We just have to be upfront, they claimed they want "games with high settings", that PC won't handle games that are out today at high settings. Let alone 10 years down the road.

 

[dgianstefani]

The net result is the same, or samey. Its not entirely true higher end builds are more expensive, you just gotta have the faith that you can ride them longer, and you can, especially now that GPUs don't deprecate as quickly as they used to (slower pace of gen-to-gen perf = more value). Worth a shot perhaps

Agreed.

Buying entry level is a waste of money IMO. The sheer amount of first time builders who try to skimp where they can, only ending up having to do an entire rebuild when they upgrade, because nothing from the first build is worth carrying over.

The second hand market exists for a reason. xx50 and lower class cards are ewaste for everything except a display output, and cheap motherboards/CPUs barely make sense in the long run. Same goes for PSUs, cooling, cases, etc.

I'd also make the argument that buying an architecture that doesn't fully support the dominant software environment with hardware acceleration is foolish.

E.g. an 8700K is still viable today. An 8100? An 8600K? Not really.

It's obviously a budget system with a dirt cheap motherboard and dirt cheap components that will simply not do what OP wants, though. We just have to be upfront, they claimed they want "games with high settings", that PC won't handle games that are out today at high settings. Let alone 10 years down the road.

I tried to say this with my earlier post.

11th gen Intel is not the platform to base a 10 year build off. Especially if you haven't even bought the CPU or other parts yet. However if you must run it, get the i7 and put the saved cash into a better PSU and GPU. You're definitely going to want 32 GB of RAM, but that's not an immediate priority.

For someone who desires high graphics settings and RT, you'd also be much better off with a 4070 Ti Super or a 4080 Super than a 7900GRE. If you can't afford either of these the 4070 Super is still better. Since you intend to use the PC for so long, having access to DLSS for performance/DLAA for quality, and hardware accelerated frame generation is a big perk, as you're going to start running out of native rendering power at around the three to four year mark. Both of these tech are significantly superior to FSR upscaling and frame generation, which is not hardware accelerated and has had immersion breaking IQ issues for years at this point. You can look over TPU's game testing reviews to find out more.

I did a analysis on the state of current RT in another thread, which I've quoted here. TLDR, you do not want to go AMD if you want to use RT, or keep your system for ~10 years.

Definitely go for the i7, and a new PSU.

Your system storage is also questionable.

My advice. Start from scratch and run a 13th/14th gen i5 K build with DDR5. 14 cores is a lot better than 8 slower ones, and DDR5 is cheaper in high capacities.


The quote has a lot of performance info regarding cyberpunk, the game you mentioned you want to play. So you'll probably find that extra relevant.

If you can't afford to do a new build and GPU right now, do the new build, keep using the 970 until RTX 50xx releases later this year, then get the 5070, which will probably be around the performance level of a 4080.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/V4CdWt

Here's a build I did recently for a friend. Ignoring the 4060 Ti, that will set you back around £900, and will be a much more solid base for a ten year build than a 11th gen Intel system with questionable storage and PSU.

People may be "firm" on keeping certain parts, but as responsible enthusiasts, it's our job to tell them when they're wrong. Instead of wasting money on buying parts for a three year old system, sell what you have (a crap SSD, motherboard, PSU and a low end CPU) and start afresh.

Realistically OP has £600 and could probably get £200 for his current parts besides the 970 which is worth almost nothing. That's ~£800 that can go to a new build. If he can suffer using the 970 until RTX 50xx releases, he'll be in a much better position for a long haul build.

PCPartPicker Part List: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/cpr4kJ

CPU: Intel Core i7-14700KF 3.4 GHz 20-Core Processor (£363.66 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: ID-COOLING SE-224-XTS BLACK 70 CFM CPU Cooler (£26.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI MAG B760M MORTAR WIFI II Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (£169.99 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Patriot Viper Venom 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-7000 CL32 Memory (£119.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (£107.99 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£104.99 @ AWD-IT)
Total: £893.61
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-03-25 13:57 GMT+0000

Powerful 8+12 core CPU there, 32 GB of fast DDR5. Good storage, good PSU, good motherboard, ATX 3.0 Gold PSU.

 

[Vayra86]

Agreed.

Buying entry level is a waste of money IMO. The sheer amount of first time builders who try to skimp where they can, only ending up having to do an entire rebuild when they upgrade, because nothing from the first build is worth carrying over.

The second hand market exists for a reason. xx50 and lower class cards are ewaste for everything except a display output, and cheap motherboards/CPUs barely make sense in the long run. Same goes for PSUs, cooling, cases, etc.

I'd also make the argument that buying an architecture that doesn't fully support the dominant software environment with hardware acceleration is foolish.

E.g. an 8700K is still viable today. An 8100? An 8600K? Not really.


I tried to say this with my earlier post.



People may be "firm" on keeping certain parts, but as responsible enthusiasts, it's our job to tell them when they're wrong. Instead of wasting money on buying parts for a three year old system, sell what you have (a crap SSD, motherboard, PSU and a low end CPU) and start afresh.

Realistically OP has £600 and could probably get £200 for his current parts besides the 970 which is worth almost nothing. That's ~£800 that can go to a new build. If he can suffer using the 970 until RTX 50xx releases, he'll be in a much better position for a long haul build.

PCPartPicker Part List: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/cpr4kJ

CPU: Intel Core i7-14700KF 3.4 GHz 20-Core Processor (£363.66 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: ID-COOLING SE-224-XTS BLACK 70 CFM CPU Cooler (£26.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI MAG B760M MORTAR WIFI II Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (£169.99 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Patriot Viper Venom 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-7000 CL32 Memory (£119.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (£107.99 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£104.99 @ AWD-IT)
Total: £893.61
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-03-25 13:57 GMT+0000

Yeah... nice list but an 8GB card in 2024 is 'just no'. Get an AMD alternative instead or don't bother at all.
Even a 6800XT is better than this 4060ti abomination. Or free the budget for x70.
Oh lol its gone

 

[dgianstefani]

Yeah... nice list but an 8GB card in 2024 is 'just no'. Get an AMD alternative instead or don't bother at all.
Even a 6800XT is better than this 4060ti abomination. Or free the budget for x70.

And will that 6800XT give a good experience in CP with RT on? GPU it's a bad time to buy. OP needs a new base computer, he can get the GPU when next gen releases later this year and he has the budget.

 

[Sithaer]

You're not. I'm a cheapskate too, except I burn a bit more money on a build and then don't touch it for a longer time than you. Also, I sell everything off again, and within that economy I try to time my upgrades/sales as best I can. Timing (or: not being in a rush, or letting the feelz get the best of you) saves a metric shitton of money. I screwed up on the 7900XT, but then again I had already waited SO long it never really bothered me too much, or at least, I've put that ~150 eur loss behind me lol.

The net result is the same, or samey. Its not entirely true higher end builds are more expensive, you just gotta have the faith that you can ride them longer, and you can, especially now that GPUs don't deprecate as quickly as they used to (slower pace of gen-to-gen perf = more value). Worth a shot perhaps

Well that doesn't really work out for me where I live/ with the money I can make here.
The initial cost of high end hardware is just something I cannot stomach even from the second hand market, doing each 3-4 years a ~budget/mid range upgrade after selling my previous one is a lot more doable/tolerable for me.
That and high end hardware is kind of wasted on me since I don't care about running games at a high refresh rate or at a high res/tweaked settings are also fine with me don't need to run everything on max settings.

To be honest I am considering some upgrades this year but I can hardly justify it since everything I play currently or interested in is doable with my hardware at the level of my expectations/comfort.

Anyway I don't want to OFF here I just find it funny in a way that its not the first time that I'm mentioned as the 'i3 guy'. 'maybe I won't upgrade to that planned i5 just for the heck of it'

 

[Vayra86]

And will that 6800XT give a good experience in CP with RT on? GPU it's a bad time to buy. OP needs a new base computer, he can get the GPU when next gen releases later this year and he has the budget.

No it won't, but the 4060ti ain't either, you just shouldn't bother with RT at this price point to be fair.

I think we agree. GPU at this price point just isn't good shopping right now. Either scale up the budget or sit on the 970 and build up the hype

 

[dgianstefani]

Well that doesn't really work out for me where I live/ with the money I can make here.
The initial cost of high end hardware is just something I cannot stomach even from the second hand market, doing each 3-4 years a ~budget/mid range upgrade after selling my previous one is a lot more doable/tolerable for me.
That and high end hardware is kind of wasted on me since I don't care about running games at a high refresh rate or at a high res/tweaked settings are also fine with me don't need to run everything on max settings.

To be honest I am considering some upgrades this year but I can hardly justify it since everything I play currently or interested in is doable with my hardware at the level of my expectations/comfort.

Anyway I don't want to OFF here I just find it funny in a way that its not the first time that I'm mentioned as the 'i3 guy'. 'maybe I won't upgrade to that planned i5 just for the heck of it'

At least your motherboard supports much better CPUs, throwing a 13600 or a 14600 in there, even a 14700 would give you a massive improvement in CPU power. Your PSU is a little weak though.

 

[Dr. Dro]

People may be "firm" on keeping certain parts, but as responsible enthusiasts, it's our job to tell them when they're wrong. Instead of wasting money on buying parts for a three year old system, sell what you have (a crap SSD, motherboard, PSU and a low end CPU) and start afresh.

With you all the way here. But I mean, I just wanna reiterate and give @Desktopstu a reality check: MY computer (feel free to look at my system specs), which many would call a "no expense spared dream system", simply will not run games at high settings in a decade from now. That plan he's got laid out doesn't have a chance in hell, it's visibly a gourmet dumpster dive trying to aggressively save every single penny they can. I was going to offer further advice but anything I say here on out will sound like a roast; and I've no intention of causing any drama today

 

[Vayra86]

not the first time that I'm mentioned as the 'i3 guy'. 'maybe I won't upgrade to that planned i5 just for the heck of it'

Wear it with pride, OC the shit out of i3's and laugh at everyone else!

 

[dgianstefani]

No it won't, but the 4060ti ain't either, you just shouldn't bother with RT at this price point to be fair.

I think we agree. GPU at this price point just isn't good shopping right now. Either scale up the budget or sit on the 970 and build up the hype

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42.8 compared to 31.7 FPS with RT on maxed settings, before upscaling or frame generation.

Still, I don't remember recommending a 4060 Ti, and I agree that he should just live with the 970 for a while and focus on actually building a good base.

 

[Vayra86]

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42.8 compared to 31.7 FPS with RT on maxed settings, before upscaling or frame generation.

Still, I don't remember recommending a 4060 Ti, and I agree that he should just live with the 970 for a while and focus on actually building a good base.

I thought you had one in the PCPart list up here, briefly at least. I swear I saw one. Either way...

 

[dgianstefani]

I thought you had one in the PCPart list up here, briefly at least. I swear I saw one. Either way...

My first post in this thread linked to a 1080p focused simulation (CPU focused) build with a 4060 Ti that I did for a friend previously. I said "Here's a build I did recently for a friend. Ignoring the 4060 Ti, that will set you back around £900, and will be a much more solid base for a ten year build than a 11th gen Intel system with questionable storage and PSU."

At the time I wasn't at my computer and didn't have time to write up a part list.

 

[redeye]

any computer will perform for ten years if the components are reliable…

(does thermal paste last ten years?”

but making a computer so it is GOAT and State-of-art after 10 years is ”impossible“… (maybe at the time it was built)

the works 10 years thing, get a business class motherboard (that “guarantees that the Motherboard will still be made in 5 years.) do not overclock anything, and get a PSU that is top tier. (clean the insides of dust every two years, check connections, replace thermal paste etc…

 

[dgianstefani]

any computer will perform for ten years if the components are reliable…

(does thermal paste last ten years?”

but making a computer so it is GOAT and State-of-art after 10 years is ”impossible“… (maybe at the time it was built)

the works 10 years thing, get a business class motherboard (that “guarantees that the Motherboard will still be made in 5 years.) do not overclock anything, and get a PSU that is top tier. (clean the insides of dust every two years, check connections, replace thermal paste etc…

Using a kryosheet would alleviate that problem.

Thermal Grizzly KryoSheet Review - Tested on RX 7900 XTX with 475 W

Thermal Grizzly KryoSheet is an interesting alternative to thermal paste. The pre-cut sheet doesn’t dry out over time and you don’t have to try spreading it in a thin layer. In our review we test thermal performance on the AsRock RX 7900 XTX, at up to 475 W.

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Still, a 10 year build is one thing, a 10 year build with no maintenance is another.