The Empire Strikes Back: China Prepares One Trillion Yuan AI Plan to Rival $500 Billion US Stargate Project

[csendesmark]

Whoever come up with the biggest gazillion number for investment will be the winner.
So pathetic..

It is a bubble as it is right now

 

[Jtuck9]

It is a bubble as it is right now

I think the whole "hype cycle" was disproven but it's probably quite telling that Palantir is so valuable right now.

The GPT Era Is Already Ending

Something has shifted at OpenAI.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[Bomby569]

You can throw as much money as you want.

In the end, will it amount to anything? No.

As with like majority of these, the end result will be: project results not what was outlined, timeliness extended to indefinitely, cost overruns, people pocketing, etc.

Always the case. Companies will just stake claim to get a bit part of that pie and not deliver.

these guys make more with a few millions than silicon valley spending billions, not sure that's a fair criticism here

 

[TumbleGeorge]

I'm sure we could trace a line to their respective outputs that are being compared in this thread.

The tech oligarchy has been here for years

What really drove the rise of Biden's 'tech industrial complex', and how to stop it

www.bloodinthemachine.com

Putin's Tucker Carlson interview springs to mind...And Sam Altman quoting Napoleon, come to think of it...

Hmm yes, but today technologies situation is because political and financial circumstances include cold and hot wars. WW2 was too close and in territory on soviet union and the overwhelming burden of the military action was on their backs, directly.That I mean isn't for discussion here.

 

[R0H1T]

but today technologies situation is because political and financial circumstances include cold and hot wars.

It's also because people got too addicted to cheap loans and goods and services! You know that $1 shirt you bought? How do you suppose that got made? And now you're addicted, so don't just blame the evil corps or the government or "oligarchs" or whatever

Spoiler

 

[Jtuck9]

It's also because people got too addicted to cheap loans and goods and services! You know that $1 shirt you bought? How do you suppose that got made? And now you're addicted, so don't just blame the evil corps or the government or "oligarchs" or whatever

Spoiler

Tangled hierarchies

At the risk of "derailing" further, I think the whole Covid thing was an interesting insight into this (and how the scientific method works). Peoples pensions funds being tied to a private water company that stops nationalization or the uptake of renewables (Blackrock / fossil fuels).

 

[Lesha]

Some of you mention fossil fuel, which is a false statement
Oil is not a fossil fuel

 

[Jtuck9]

Some of you mention fossil fuel, which is a false statement
Oil is not a fossil fuel

I recently learnt about "Choke Points" through Amitav Ghosh

 

[Rightness_1]

And if NV is really not supplying China with their chips, how can China just make a computer like this?

 

[Bomby569]

And if NV is really not supplying China with their chips, how can China just make a computer like this?

they just build a better LLM using old nvidia cards, more power doesn't always mean more better

 

[TumbleGeorge]

they just build a better LLM using old nvidia cards, more power doesn't always mean more better

This is the case when natural human intelligence is sufficient for the correct formulations during the initial coding of the LLM and for the selection of the subsequently submitted training information.

 

[Bomby569]

This is the case when natural human intelligence is sufficient for the correct formulations during the initial coding of the LLM and for the selection of the subsequently submitted training information.

not sure that can replace computing power, they are just better at coding that's the consensus in the experts. Necessity may also play a part in this, if you have all the power in the world why try to optimise it, if you don't...

 

[Nelly]

Oh dear . . .

Nvidia falls 12% in premarket trading as China’s DeepSeek triggers global tech sell-off.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/27/nvi...s-deepseek-triggers-global-tech-sell-off.html

What is DeepSeek? The Chinese AI that lost US stock market $1trillion

Chinese start-up DeepSeek (logo pictured) sent big tech companies in the US into a spiral with the release of its AI chatbot, which is said to be produced more cheaply than Western rivals.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Bomby569]

Nvidia falls 12% in premarket trading as China’s DeepSeek triggers global tech sell-off.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/27/nvidia-falls-10percent-in-premarket-trading-as-chinas-deepseek-triggers-global-tech-sell-off.html

lmao, you didn't need a billion usd or the latest tech to make a good LLM, all these companies were just scamming the investors, it's going to be interesting now
I would love to see Nvidia crash hard

could this be the end of the bubble?

 

[SOAREVERSOR]

Oh good lord. The power issues are minimal but main of the main "west" countriest are skittish about nuclear power because processed fuel can be turned into weapons. AI produces what it claims to but it's not "AI" it's ML and DL and then shat out out to produce a product. It does exactly that. The point of it isn't to create skynet or the terminator but basically to fire millions if not billions of humans who's IT work or basic admin work is now pointless. The cost of the reactors and more compared to the cost of people is cheap. Don't have 8 figures? Work in IT? You are fucking gone! You have 8 figures, still might be chewed up and shat out.

It's the industrial revolution 2.0 and it's going to do exactly what that one did and wipe out most things and create a few super monopolies and also cost most people their jobs. That's the point. Killinig jobs.

People need to get with it. It's happening one way or the other.

 

[Why_Me]

Oh good lord. The power issues are minimal but main of the main "west" countriest are skittish about nuclear power because processed fuel can be turned into weapons. AI produces what it claims to but it's not "AI" it's ML and DL and then shat out out to produce a product. It does exactly that. The point of it isn't to create skynet or the terminator but basically to fire millions if not billions of humans who's IT work or basic admin work is now pointless. The cost of the reactors and more compared to the cost of people is cheap. Don't have 8 figures? Work in IT? You are fucking gone! You have 8 figures, still might be chewed up and shat out.

It's the industrial revolution 2.0 and it's going to do exactly what that one did and wipe out most things and create a few super monopolies and also cost most people their jobs. That's the point. Killinig jobs.

People need to get with it. It's happening one way or the other.

Sounds like those people need to 'learn to code'.

 

[SOAREVERSOR]

Sounds like those people need to 'learn to code'.

In theory that is going away as well.

The last time this happened was the .com bubble where a tiny amount made out like bandits and the rest got ruined and billions were put out of jobs and trillions was made. I'm not for or against it but it's happening and oh well.