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What's the best thermal paste to use on bare dies (laptop CPUs, GPUs)? I have NH1 but I've heard it's bad because it squeezes out. Need to open my laptop soon-ish to replace the battery so might as well.
 
@Kodehawa

There is a fairly broad assessment that longevity and reasonable temps can be found with AS5 for something you don't want to open up very often.

Satirical previous post aside, worries over reaching last call at overseas retailers is driving a lot of interesting products through testing here that might appeal to you.
 
How is IC Diamond holding? I got KOLD-01 recently for my FTW3 3080ti, and in the first week temps have gone up 2C. So, not sure how it will behave in next few weeks. Wondering if IC Diamond would be better.
What's the best thermal paste to use on bare dies (laptop CPUs, GPUs)? I have NH1 but I've heard it's bad because it squeezes out. Need to open my laptop soon-ish to replace the battery so might as well.

PCM based thermal paste has the potential for longer lifespan with high temperature direct-die(GPU/laptop).
Check my post #421.
 
PCM based thermal paste has the potential for longer lifespan with high temperature direct-die(GPU/laptop).
Check my post #421.

Yes, I tried that. Ordered Honeywell 7950-SP from ebuy7, and I got a fake product. My challenge is getting a hold of these products from a reputable source, so I don't get scammed.
 
Yes, I tried that. Ordered Honeywell 7950-SP from ebuy7, and I got a fake product. My challenge is getting a hold of these products from a reputable source, so I don't get scammed.
I imagine chinese retailers like AliExpress are unironically the best way to get chinese products. Comes with the same risk, but I'd say it's a better bet for products that actually are native from China.
 
I don't remember it causing scratches, but it caused horrible contact issues with my spring mounted waterblock & CPU. Super thick stuff & didn't spread with just the spring pressure, unlike AS5. lol
 
I don't remember it causing scratches, but it caused horrible contact issues with my spring mounted waterblock & CPU. Super thick stuff & didn't spread with just the spring pressure, unlike AS5. lol
For me it scuffed up the identifier markings on my 965XE ES. It worked ok as a TIM for me, but it was pretty hard and not very user friendly. I got some from the batch they were giving away on all the forums way back when
 
How is IC Diamond holding? I got KOLD-01 recently for my FTW3 3080ti, and in the first week temps have gone up 2C. So, not sure how it will behave in next few weeks. Wondering if IC Diamond would be better.
It works well so far, no change in temps in over a week. I wouldn't really recommend it for the price, I'm only using it because I got it for free. SYY 157 might be a cheap alterative it's also supposed to be pretty thick.

2c is nothing though, not worth repasting.
 
Yes, I tried that. Ordered Honeywell 7950-SP from ebuy7, and I got a fake product. My challenge is getting a hold of these products from a reputable source, so I don't get scammed.

They don't have 7950-SP, but I found a few interesting-looking PCM products on Digi-Key: AAVID Ultrastick, Laird Tpcm 580 or 7000, and Wakefield-Vette ulTIMiFlux. Of those three, only Laird specifically calls out computing applications. The ulTIMiFlux is cheap enough that I might order some to try out. Heck, might give the Laird 7000 a go as well.
 
It works well so far, no change in temps in over a week. I wouldn't really recommend it for the price, I'm only using it because I got it for free. SYY 157 might be a cheap alterative it's also supposed to be pretty thick.

2c is nothing though, not worth repasting.

That is a good point. It is quite expensive. To your other point, I was looking at SYY 157 as well, before I ordered KOLD-01, but people mentioned that their new formula is not as good. If I could get their old formula from somewhere, I would definitely give that a shot.
 
I've never had an issue with IC Diamond. I know @sneekypeet had some serious issues with it, back in the day.
A whole bunch of people had problems with it, maybe it was just the test batch, but I didn’t look into any further. When the head hauncho had his meltdown I pretty much lost interest.
 
Hi,
Yeah I wasted some money and time on their crappy graphite pads.
 
You guys are probably gonna hate me but..

I think AS5 is still OK :D

I have not ordered anything from Amazon lately, and the only TIM nearby is AS5 or Ceramique.. both work well, just gotta be careful with your application. You guys know I have used some good pastes, but not all the good ones. I do spread AS5 pretty thin.. just enough. It is 2 days older than dirt, but it still holds up..
 
I always thought Ceramique was very underrated. I had a tube many years ago & I was always happy with its performance. Used the majority of it under my LGA-775 CPU waterblock.
I still have a large old tube of AS5 in the basement, which is where I play with my old hardware. I'll put a system together and then maybe cycle through 4 or 5 CPUs on that config before building something completely different. That could add up using an expensive newer TIM.
 
I always thought Ceramique was very underrated. I had a tube many years ago & I was always happy with its performance. Used the majority of it under my LGA-775 CPU waterblock.
I still have a large old tube of AS5 in the basement, which is where I play with my old hardware. I'll put a system together and then maybe cycle through 4 or 5 CPUs on that config before building something completely different. That could add up using an expensive newer TIM.
I have a fairly large tube of Ceramique 2 myself. It's very cheap compared to most thermal pastes (excluding random Chinese stuff on aliexpress) and accessible. Subjectively, I've gotten better performance out of fancier stuff like TF7 and NT-H2 (~2c-4c better temps under load), but those pastes also cost a lot more. It also seems to be quite stable. It's had no noticeable degradation of paste performance or pump out in my parents' computer over 5 years.
 
To be blunt this thread is all over without methodical testing and results to compare. Last I did it was years ago, and tbh the gap between best and worst wasn't worth the effort. Get together and sent paste to someone with newer gear and the time to do it right. You could also email companies and ask for small samples and see what comes of it.

IC Diamond, I won't give them my time or money after all that bs here.
 
Testing paste...suuuucks. It takes forever to do it right and it...is...borrring. Lexluthermiester and I tested a few tubes a couple of months ago (posted in the arctic mx-5/6 thread) and all I can say is, I won't be doing it again anytime soon.

I got in on the ic-diamond giveaway when it was offered at ocforums. All I can remember is it was really hard to spread and was grainy af. I can't remember if it scratched any of my CPU blocks or not. I don't think it did but I swapped gear too frequently to have cared tbh. I do remember getting real tired of fighting with it. So went back to old faithful, Ceramique. Back then that's all I used...in the 20g fatty of course.
 
It does suck lol. And there are way too many variables to take anyone’s results as the definitive best. Everything makes a difference.
 
Nobody has the time to test longevity, which for me is more important than a few degrees here or there.
 
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Does IC diamond cause scratches?
Some years ago it did and it was a serious problem. There was a crap-ton of drama about it, but the short story is that it was damaging and even killing CPUs and the company did NOT handle it well.

What's the best thermal paste to use on bare dies (laptop CPUs, GPUs)? I have NH1 but I've heard it's bad because it squeezes out. Need to open my laptop soon-ish to replace the battery so might as well.
NT-H1 has problems with losing it's ability to cool well after a few months. Arctic Cooling MX-6 is currently the best bang for the money and is an excellent performer..
 
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In giving the thread a cursory lurk-over, I'm seeing many mentions of old and long on-hand thermal pastes.

I found out the hard way that most thermal pastes have a 'shelf life'. (Industrially-marketed TIMs have the spec on the datasheet.)

I've watched 2 large tubes (purchased across diff years) of AS Ceramique begin to separate across 7-10 years, and have seen at least 1 tube of MX-4 start to separate after just 3-4 years.
-The Ceramique was only noticed when it became (effectively) impossible to push out of the tube.
-The MX-4 clearly was not coming out homogeneously. I managed to just mush it together with the tip of the tube; it 'worked' but, its physical properties clearly had gone 'out of spec'.
Related: also found out the hard way that RTV/Silicone/GasketMaker too, has a (surprisingly short) shelf life. (especially once opened, even if seemingly well-resealed.)

From researching Thermal Putties, it seems refrigeration (and a properly sealed container) will considerably extend its rated shelf life.
Also ran across similar advice in extending RTV's shelf life.
I'd say that it seems any silicon(e) based/derived suspension/mix/colloid benefits in its 'shelf life' via refrigerating. [There are bound to be exceptions.]
I'll probably be storing future purchases of TIM in the fridge.

of note:
my experiences may be 'outlying cases'. Over the last 2 decades, I've completely changed environments (humidity, temp, weather, etc) thrice. Also, the aforementioned TIMs and Sealants were commonly stored where temperatures swung much more than a climate-controlled office, etc. This alone, regardless of staying within 'labeled storage temperatures' could acceleration aging, separation, etc.


Oh, and IC diamond does cause some scratching, but it does work well. (I wonder how well cheap industrial diamond lapping compound would do as TIM?)
Not too hard to polish out most of the scratches, but I wouldn't want to use it on collectable kit.
 
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Curious. Has anyone here done baredie pump-out testing with ShinEtsu 7921? Wondering if I should get that for GPU die.
 
Curious. Has anyone here done baredie pump-out testing with ShinEtsu 7921? Wondering if I should get that for GPU die.


I miss Shin Etsu (Haven't seen them trying to market outside of 'industry'). 7734-D (It think it was) was a 'top paste' circa early-mid 00s.


On that note, I was under the impression Shin Etsu's better-performing pastes were 'like' a highly-plasticized polymer-base, as opposed to Silicon(e)- or Mineral- oil base.
I'd imagine a polymer TIM would be less likely to thermally migrate (pump out), as there's no suspension in/of a viscosity-temperature sensitive fluid.
 
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