The State of Cryptocurrency

[HTC]

i have never fiddled with defender settings before..never had to.. but i will try and exclude a folder and test the claymore unzip in it.. it only goes for it when its unzipped.. it dosnt mind a zipped version.. he he

trog

Ever considered the possibility that the claymore thing may actually be flagged by Windows Defender for a good reason? Perhaps it detects something in that prog that shouldn't be there?

I know zero about that program so i could be 100% wrong here.

 

[lexluthermiester]

No Seriously
you need to exclude the Directorys used by your Miner in defender Settings

Or you could use an antivirus/antimalware suite that is less irritating. I do not use WinDefend at all.

 

[Divide Overflow]

Or you could use an antivirus/antimalware suite that is less irritating. I do not use WinDefend at all.

They are playing to the lowest common denominator and miners are assuming all the risk. 99% of Windows users AREN'T into cryptomining. They are being protected from the ever growing frequency of cryptomining malware out there. Legitimate miners should be savy enough to keep their executables in a folder that is excluded from security scanners. They do take all the risk that these mining executables are playing nicely and not raping your system though!

 

[cdawall]

we dont choose the price we pay for power.. you might be lucky and live in a place with cheap power i dont.. we have to cope with what we have..

but for me and i recon many others.. gpu mining is near dead.. plus 50% profit over power costs (more so if the power is cheap) aint exactly exciting for small miners.. it aint a real 50% ether if you count in hardware costs.. in fact in by books its still a net loss..


trog

ps... anybody have any ideas as regards windows 10 defenders sudden dislike of my claymore eth miner... chrome blocks it and wont download it.. i did manage another browser download but as soon as i unzip it.. win 10 defender pounces..

Ah I live in America we very much do get to pick power cost. I also broke even on hardware cost last year...

As for the antivirus nonsense, I have defender disabled via the registry on all my machines...

Who is your electric company and how much do you pay per kWh? I know most US companies are tier based - once you go over a tier you pay a higher tier rate. All your mining rigs must have pushed you to the higher tier rate, right?

9 cents a kw/h there is no tier flat rate that's with delivery fee included as well as taxes. Using big energy AKA NRG.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

They are playing to the lowest common denominator and miners are assuming all the risk. 99% of Windows users AREN'T into cryptomining. They are being protected from the ever growing frequency of cryptomining malware out there. Legitimate miners should be savy enough to keep their executables in a folder that is excluded from security scanners. They do take all the risk that these mining executables are playing nicely and not raping your system though!

Thats part of why they should be monitored closely and have logs, they do have logs.

 

[lexluthermiester]

As for the antivirus nonsense, I have defender disabled via the registry on all my machines...

I go so far as to deleting the contents of the Windows Defender folders, taking ownership and locking the system out of access from said folders so they can't be restored with an update. I do a similar thing with the Internet Explorer and Windows Media Player folders.

 

[LFaWolf]

Ah I live in America we very much do get to pick power cost. I also broke even on hardware cost last year...

9 cents a kw/h there is no tier flat rate that's with delivery fee included as well as taxes. Using big energy AKA NRG.

That is super cheap electricity price. Some places here in CA like SF pay more than double of that amount.

 

[yotano211]

That is super cheap electricity price. Some places here in CA like SF pay more than double of that amount.

I pay about 8 to 8.5 cents, when I had 8 mining rigs at my friends house in CA, I was paying 30 cents. That lasted only 2 months, I put him into the top tier power usage for those 2 months. I personally drove from Oklahoma to CA to pick up the mining rigs.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

That is super cheap electricity price. Some places here in CA like SF pay more than double of that amount.

California buys ridiculous amounts of power from neighboring states. e.g. much of the power produced at Hoover Dam goes to CA and so does a lot of nuclear power produced near Phoenix. California has about the worst energy policy in the world. [Forbes] California's Growing Imported Electricity Problem

Last I checked, the first Mwh is expensive here (covers grid maintenance, taxes, etc.). After that it is 0.05211/kwh. I'm always over a Mwh because of heating/cooling so I only look at the latter.

 

[yesyesloud]

anybody have any ideas as regards windows 10 defenders sudden dislike of my claymore eth miner... chrome blocks it and wont download it.. i did manage another browser download but as soon as i unzip it.. win 10 defender pounces..

Linux mining. A rather comprehensive guide comes in handy...

Prior to doing what's described in that guide, I suggest you quick install Xubuntu on another drive with UNetbootin, it's pretty straightforward: just pick Xubuntu 14.04_Live_X64 (distribution), choose the right destination drive and make sure to add "space used to preserve files across reboots", ~16GB may exceed your modern mining needs. Then boot it from BIOS/(U)EFI. You may want to disable "secure boot" and/or other BIOS/(U)EFI options that prevent it from booting up. Also, install latest proprietary drivers.

The aforementioned approach will save you the hassle and potential issues of setting up a different bootloader for a dual-boot setup, leaving your Windows install untouched, but you could as well go the other way.

Xubuntu is a lightweight Ubuntu version, only featuring a different, less bloated desktop environment (UI). I suggested 14.04 because the default disc image was not patched for meltdown or spectre (several users reported a performance hit on patched kernels). You may want to disable automatic updates. If you're otherwise concerned about those exploits, pick 16.04.

Not sure if a Linux VM hosted by W10 would earn you anything near what bare metal does, I'd advise against it to maximize profits.

You can also go minimal when you feel comfortable with the command line.

 

[trog100]

the odd thing is windows defender has been happy running my claymore mining software since august of last year.. not the slightest problem...

then all at once it decides to remove the software its been happy with for months.. one machine i would think fluke.. two machines means something has changed in windows defender..

its now deleted software it was previously happy with.. i dont think for one second i am the only one that this has happened to.. i would guess a whole bunch of folks have had their mining systems suddenly f-cked up by windows..

i havnt got round to sorting it yet.. i just switched over to nicehash.. plus mining is making sod all so it aint that important..

trog

 

[HTC]

the odd thing is windows defender has been happy running my claymore mining software since august of last year.. not the slightest problem...

then all at once it decides to remove the software its been happy with for months.. one machine i would think fluke.. two machines means something has changed in windows defender..

its now deleted software it was previously happy with.. i dont think for one second i am the only one that this has happened to.. i would guess a whole bunch of folks have had their mining systems suddenly f-cked up by windows..

i havnt got round to sorting it yet.. i just switched over to nicehash.. plus mining is making sod all so it aint that important..

trog

Have you changed the claymore mining software in any way? Perhaps an update to that program or something? Maybe that's what's causing Defender to flag it.

Could also be Defender detecting a false positive: have you tried searching the web for other people complaining of the same thing?

It could also be that Defender wasn't detecting something in previous versions of the software but the current version picks it up. Has it occurred to you that perhaps that claymore mining software has had (whatever makes Defender flag it) all along?

 

[lexluthermiester]

It could also be that Defender wasn't detecting something in previous versions of the software but the current version picks it up. Has it occurred to you that perhaps that claymore mining software has had (whatever makes Defender flag it) all along?

Defender is a pain in the neck and irritating for sure. Deleting it completely and replacing with something competent is the better move.

 

[R-T-B]

It could also be that Defender wasn't detecting something in previous versions of the software but the current version picks it up. Has it occurred to you that perhaps that claymore mining software has had (whatever makes Defender flag it) all along?

What makes it flag it is malware often includes the (otherwise legitimate) claymore miner to mine for the malware. Windows just finds it easier to blacklist it entirely than attempt to filter through this.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Windows just finds it easier to blacklist it entirely than attempt to filter through this.

Right! And Microsoft does a lot of this. It's either incompetent, laziness, deliberate or a combination of these. Severely irritating.

 

[moproblems99]

Right! And Microsoft does a lot of this. It's either incompetent, laziness, deliberate or a combination of these. Severely irritating.

My vote is all three. Damn them for DirectX or I wouldn't even bother with them.

i would guess a whole bunch of folks have had their mining systems suddenly f-cked up by windows

I dealt with this a few weeks ago but just excluding my mining folders.

 

[HTC]

According to this, there are a lot more people affected.

Apparently, "trojan:win32/ditertag.b" triggers Defender.

 

[R-T-B]

According to this, there are a lot more people affected.

Apparently, "trojan:win32/ditertag.b" triggers Defender.

Yep, it's basically to ensure he gets his devfee. It's Trojan-like behavior, but described in the license so legit.

If this was a DRM doing this, it would probably get whitelisted.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

If it were DRM, the executable would be signed by a known party (e.g. SecuROM is signed by Sony DADC).

It apparently uses VirtualProtectEx but I'm not sure how nor why.

Tried researching how dietertag.b works and not finding any more information than the generic Microsoft page.

 

[HTC]

According to the reddit page i linked earlier, this is the solution:

1. Disable Windows Real-Time Protection
2. Disable Cloud-delivered protection
3. Copy the .exe back over to the affected machine.
4. Add the .exe to the windows 10 defender exclusion list
5. Enable windows defender again to see if it would removed it again.
6. Startup claymore again.

Here is how to add an exclusion:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us...dd-an-exclusion-to-windows-defender-antivirus

 

[R-T-B]

If it were DRM, the executable would be signed by a known party (e.g. SecuROM is signed by Sony DADC).

No, not necessarily.

That's only true if it's triple A DRM. It can still be DRM that some guy cooked in his basement and fit the term "digital rights management," which is precisely what this is attempting to do: Secure his 2% devfee and prevent redirects.

 

[trog100]

No, not necessarily.

That's only true if it's triple A DRM. It can still be DRM that some guy cooked in his basement and fit the term "digital rights management," which is precisely what this is attempting to do: Secure his 2% devfee and prevent redirects.

this seems to be the gist of it.. in my case and i imaging many others.. defender is now zapping it (new virus definitions) whereas previously it wasnt.. it quarantines the claymore executable instantly..

chrome also refuses to download it.. whereas previously it didnt.. i used my midori browser to get a new zip..

trog

 

[zelnep]

man oh man - I had left around 100$ in ETH and 100$ in XMR... now it is like 60-ish$ total. I was watching how prices hit new lows, then volume did increase and I was like "oh boy - now it is going to bounce back up - this was the dip of the month" - but nothing I mean I guess I will lose not only those 140$ (100+100 - 60), but 195$ soon. well at least good that I sold my last gtx 1080 few weeks ago for 700$, I can pick up less used gtx 1080ti for 600$ now.
But I wonder how you deal with it? I I mean some of you must lose not 140$ but thousands at this point (not to mention in your multi GPU rig price reduction) and you all just talk here about if defender blocks your nicehash and how much cents for electricity

 

[trog100]

man oh man - I had left around 100$ in ETH and 100$ in XMR... now it is like 60-ish$ total. I was watching how prices hit new lows, then volume did increase and I was like "oh boy - now it is going to bounce back up - this was the dip of the month" - but nothing I mean I guess I will lose not only those 140$ (100+100 - 60), but 195$ soon. well at least good that I sold my last gtx 1080 few weeks ago for 700$, I can pick up less used gtx 1080ti for 600$ now.
But I wonder how you deal with it? I I mean some of you must lose not 140$ but thousands at this point (not to mention in your multi GPU rig price reduction) and you all just talk here about if defender blocks your nicehash and how much cents for electricity

i am down about 3 grand on my coin investment maybe 10 grand from when things peaked.. my mining is worth next to nothing but i will hodle on.. hope springs eternal.. he he

trog

ps.. the defender exclusion setting got things going again.. i made a folder called exclude on my desktop just to test things.. put the zip file in there and unzipped it.. defender left it alone.. i then made my mining folder "excludable" and copied the claymore mining executable back to where it belongs.. my eth miner is now working again..

 

[LFaWolf]

California buys ridiculous amounts of power from neighboring states. e.g. much of the power produced at Hoover Dam goes to CA and so does a lot of nuclear power produced near Phoenix. California has about the worst energy policy in the world. [Forbes] California's Growing Imported Electricity Problem

Last I checked, the first Mwh is expensive here (covers grid maintenance, taxes, etc.). After that it is 0.05211/kwh. I'm always over a Mwh because of heating/cooling so I only look at the latter.

For the record I pay only $0.12 per kwh and I live close to the Bay Area which isn't bad. But the Bay Area where I work the rate went up to $.17 per kwh.

man oh man - I had left around 100$ in ETH and 100$ in XMR... now it is like 60-ish$ total. I was watching how prices hit new lows, then volume did increase and I was like "oh boy - now it is going to bounce back up - this was the dip of the month" - but nothing I mean I guess I will lose not only those 140$ (100+100 - 60), but 195$ soon. well at least good that I sold my last gtx 1080 few weeks ago for 700$, I can pick up less used gtx 1080ti for 600$ now.
But I wonder how you deal with it? I I mean some of you must lose not 140$ but thousands at this point (not to mention in your multi GPU rig price reduction) and you all just talk here about if defender blocks your nicehash and how much cents for electricity

For some miners here they dig in for the long haul. Of course everyone knows bitcoin is below $7k and ether is below $400. But no one knows where it will land in the future. I have my own prediction but no one cares anyway. If you want to sell, sell. If you want to hold, hold. No one can tell you what to do or what it will be.