The TPU UK Clubhouse

[dorsetknob]

Now the Referendum is over
speculation will be rampart that the Fishie pair of Tarten huggers will push for a new Scottish Referendum
their Previous case was Based Mainly on oil Revenue which would pay for ( with English Subsidies) Independence
Oil has Fallen from nearly $100 a Barrel down to just over $47 a barrel
Will they EXPECT the Rest of the UK to Subsidise their new Country and pay for them to Join the EU ?
Scotland as an Independent country now cannot afford to go it alone
to join the EU they have to give up Stirling and take the Euro
Even with an Asset/debt Split Their case was based on Oil Revenue (calculated at near$100 a barrel).
Now its $47 a barrel, the fiances do not work.

 

[Tatty_Two]

This is what me and my boss were discussing this morning. I get the impression Scotland's next independence vote is going to be a stark difference to what we saw previously.

If they are allowed to have one of course

 

[the54thvoid]

Now the Referendum is over
speculation will be rampart that the Fishie pair of Tarten huggers will push for a new Scottish Referendum
their Previous case was Based Mainly on oil Revenue which would pay for ( with English Subsidies) Independence
Oil has Fallen from nearly $100 a Barrel down to just over $47 a barrel
Will they EXPECT the Rest of the UK to Subsidise their new Country and pay for them to Join the EU ?
Scotland as an Independent country now cannot afford to go it alone
to join the EU they have to give up Stirling and take the Euro
Even with an Asset/debt Split Their case was based on Oil Revenue (calculated at near$100 a barrel).
Now its $47 a barrel, the fiances do not work.

Look at the figure that excludes oil revenue.

If they are allowed to have one of course

It would be allowed. It would in fact be mandated by the previous arguments that I made. The European argument was one of the pivotal 'frighteners' used in the negative Independence campaigning. Used extensively by Europe and the UK government as a reason to stay united. That being said, I don't think the Independence result would be different if voted for again. A non EU UK is actually more Scottish than an Indy EU Scotland (IMO).

To be governed by our own land neighbour and with a devolved parliament as it stands, UK law is more suited to our current position. I think an island state working together is better than a split island with one hand restrained by europe the other not.

Incidentally - I voted for Independence and 'Leave'. Just for the giggles.

 

[dorsetknob]

And look at the Barnet formula which gives scotland more than the revenue Scotland give to the UK excheque
Independent Scotland will not be Entitled or will get the Barnet Money

Edit

It would be allowed.

In Fact it would take a New Act of Parliament for it to be legal and Valid

hint that last act of Parliament was for a one off Scottish Referendum not a Continues ever happing Referendum

 

[Tatty_Two]

Look at the figure that excludes oil revenue.



It would be allowed. It would in fact be mandated by the previous arguments that I made. The European argument was one of the pivotal 'frighteners' used in the negative Independence campaigning. Used extensively by Europe and the UK government as a reason to stay united. That being said, I don't think the Independence result would be different if voted for again. A non EU UK is actually more Scottish than an Indy EU Scotland (IMO).

To be governed by our own land neighbour and with a devolved parliament as it stands, UK law is more suited to our current position. I think an island state working together is better than a split island with one hand restrained by europe the other not.

Incidentally - I voted for Independence and 'Leave'. Just for the giggles.

Did it not take an act/bill in the UK government to give Scotland a devolved government and it required similar to allow the referendum? (Scottish Independence Referendum Act 2013) My understanding is that a devolved government and the right to self rule are not the same things...... having said that I am no constitutional expert!

 

[dorsetknob]

self quote in support of Tatty's Correct answer

In Fact it would take a New Act of Parliament for it to be legal and Valid

Just watched the news and some German female MEP called Beatrix say

"" Of Course we Regret the UK Voting to leave they are the second largest net contributor we cannot expect Greece or Italy or others to pick up the Deficit because the UK is Leaving""

Yeh they now admit they will miss our money but not US

 

[RCoon]

Just watched the news and some German female MEP called Beatrix say

"" Of Course we Regret the UK Voting to leave they are the second largest net contributor we cannot expect Greece or Italy or others to pick up the Deficit because the UK is Leaving""

Yeh they now admit they will miss our money but not US

Come on man, British independence is no reason to double post.

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[dorsetknob]

Northern Ireland will not Seek to remain in the EU
it is unfortunately still to Sectarian.
The Vast majority are King(Queen) and country ( Protestant 70% )
They cannot afford to go it alone
They will fight tooth and nail to avoid becoming part of the Republic of Ireland
If a Land Border is what happens they the Protestant majority will accept that.

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

Its going to be very interesting to see what the US markets make of it.

 

[dorsetknob]

jeremy corbyn (Caesar)

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

Frankie Boyle

"It's important to just accept the result and move on, possibly to another country."

 

[kurosagi01]

Can't wait to buy house in upcoming years and then realise i'll be losing out if i was to sell it*assuming that will be case in upcoming futuristic years ahead*.

 

[vega22]

Frankie Boyle

"It's important to just accept the result and move on, possibly to another country."

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shame it aint as easy to do now....

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

 

[the54thvoid]

shame it aint as easy to do now....

There should be a good element of common sense migration policy now though. For years unscrupulous employers (*cough* sports direct) have used huge armies of foreign workers on abjectly abysmal wages to produce goods. With a more restrictive immigration policy and the UK able to implement UK citizen based welfare (i.e. - although benefit tourism is a myth in general) foreign migrants with no to low skills will be deterred from coming here).

What Britain needs now (and what we don't have) is a strong leader with a sharp mentality and a big heart.

 

[vega22]

There should be a good element of common sense migration policy now though. For years unscrupulous employers (*cough* sports direct) have used huge armies of foreign workers on abjectly abysmal wages to produce goods. With a more restrictive immigration policy and the UK able to implement UK citizen based welfare (i.e. - although benefit tourism is a myth in general) foreign migrants with no to low skills will be deterred from coming here).

What Britain needs now (and what we don't have) is a strong leader with a sharp mentality and a big heart.

i aint just sports direct dude, i mean where i live there are many of the largest distribution centres in the uk for the main supermarkets. most of the workforce is from agencies on 0 hour contracts, english and foreign people all with no choice but to accept such ridiculous contracts.

now, today we are handing all the power to the people who allowed those contracts in the 1st place....

 

[ne6togadno]

http://idvassilev.blogspot.co.ke/2016/06/brexit-zero-sum-loss.html

 

[the54thvoid]

http://idvassilev.blogspot.co.ke/2016/06/brexit-zero-sum-loss.html

GTFO.

To paraphrase a quote, 'Russia...created Islamic State'. I love reading pseudo intellectual, self indulgent literature. Not.

That entire post is fluff. Putin's power is as credible as it is illusory. To believe Russia created Brexit is the epitome of fantasist nonsense.
I'm sure the philosophical Russians like to believe such strength but the cold hard fact is Brexit was created by years of liberalisation of cultural norms. Anders Breyvik is the vulgar spearhead of the realisation that integration doesn't always work. The referendum played on nothing more than the acceleration of the multi-culturalist agenda of Brussels that was exacerbated by an exceptionally complex situation that developed through sectarian strife that predates the Russian Empire.
Putin is nothing more than a cash grabbing phoney. Russia is little more than a fallen power meddling in foreign affairs. If anything, Russian involvement in Syria has eroded IS, therefore quickening their demise that would otherwise have been left unchecked, creating even more human exodus. Russia has reduced migration long term. Their soiled relations with Turkey means a former ally is now even closer to Europe. US and European involvement with Iran on the sanctions has also empowered that country and consolidated another anti Sunni power.

That blog was way off the mark. Russians like to believe in powerful conspiracy but the only one that Putin cares about is Mossack Fonseca.

 

[dorsetknob]

Bullshit post

http://idvassilev.blogspot.co.ke/2016/06/brexit-zero-sum-loss.html

culled from ^^^^^
"" The EU will invite Scotland and Northern Ireland to remain ""

So The EU is Going to Break up the British UNION
And who pays their EU costs
They will not get in for Free
They would be in the same position As the pigs at the Trough
Without British Money the EU is Going to HAVE MAJOR MONEY PROBLEMS

as i posted earlier

Northern Ireland will not Seek to remain in the EU
it is unfortunately still to Sectarian.
The Vast majority are King(Queen) and country ( Protestant 70% )
They cannot afford to go it alone
They will fight tooth and nail to avoid becoming part of the Republic of Ireland
If a Land Border is what happens they the Protestant majority will accept that.

edit
those Irish that feel they still want to be part of the EU can legally apply for a Republic of Ireland (EU) Passport and then move south

 

[tabascosauz]

Interesting that the blame for potentially "breaking up the British union" lies with the EU. The English have known for the longest time that Leave has interesting complications for Scotland; it's no secret. Perhaps another one of those "EU is wrecking our sovereignty" things? Pretty much like signing a contract for a 9-5 job that lasts from 9 to 5 and claiming false imprisonment against your employer, innit?

What's done is done, and now whoever's at the helm has got to sort out what needs to be sorted (a.k.a. everything). If we keep going back an forth on this topic it ain't gonna be pretty. What I wanna know is when that GTX 970 Mini will come down in price at UK retailers so I can get a piece o that 1440p gaming performance in a 6-inch-long package

 

[dorsetknob]

Interesting that the blame for potentially "breaking up the British union" lies with the EU.

Well the English are not trying to Break up this Union we wish it to Remain a Union

 

[NdMk2o1o]

I will wade in with an opinion when I'm sat down with a drink mobiles suck for anything longer than instant messaging....

 

[FreedomEclipse]

I will wade in with an opinion when I'm sat down with a drink mobiles suck for anything longer than instant messaging....

Get a bigger phone you mong

 

[NdMk2o1o]

Get a bigger phone you mong

LG G5....

I voted out btw, never thought it would happen tbh and still a little in shock however this is not legally binding and I wouldn't put it past the powers that be to either hold another referendum IE: Ireland or for it not to be passed in parliament, however I was more shocked at Cameron resigning.....

He's a typical career politician, before he got into power he was pro-exit stating we would be a strong independent island, get's into power and taxes the lowest paid and the poorest, promises to reduce levels of immigration under Labour and they increase, appeases Europe with all he has and then warns of Armageddon if we dare to leave the ever so prosperous EU (Think riots of nationals in France, Germany, Spain, Greece etc... Irelands economy going bust, Greece going bankrupt... sure why wouldn't we want this?)

The EU is a failed project, we put in 10x more than we get out if we are talking about national interest and economy etc.

For all the younger electorate saying the older people shouldn't be able to decide on their future, I'm older but slightly. I am 34 I have 4 children in my household (2 of my own and 2 of my partners previous relationship) and I voted out! I am thinking about their welfare, my mum and dad (Northern Irish and English respectively) had 4 children, back then this was a normal/average family size and my mum stayed at home to raise the kids whilst my dad went out to work we lived relatively comfortably on my dads earnings and were raised with respect, manners and boundaries. Now your average family of 2 adults 2 kids can't manage on a single wage and barely get by with 2 incomes. I am not able to buy a house because I had a family, I will likely never get on the housing ladder due to sky high prices of properties and will neither qualify for social housing as I still work for a living so don't class as being needy enough.

So yea call me old, and selfish for voting out on an undemocratic, unelected dictatorship that I never asked for but now given the chance I will say hell yes we cannot be any better off being independent and democratic. We buy import FAR much more from the EU than we export so for them to cut ties would be akin to cutting off your nose to spite your face (a British saying as it happens...)

We will still buy European cars, bread, wine etc only we have a chance to make our own way in the world and forge other agreements as we see fit and not be shackled by an elitist bunch of people who push pencils all day and don't have a clue about what real life is for people in the EU/UK.