This is a thing. Liquid cooling, without any chance of mess..

[Deleted member 185158]

IMO, not good enough.
I have TRUE coolers that kill that Zalman on current gen stuff and they're adequate at best.

I'm well aware of the cooling potential or lack thereof with that Zalman 9700. I just wanted to see the evidence or proof of the claims..

 

[HTC]

I'm well aware of the cooling potential or lack thereof with that Zalman 9700. I just wanted to see the evidence or proof of the claims..

While i never owned a Zalman 9700, i don't think it's a stretch @ all: just don't overclock.

I'm not overclocking and i use my NH-C14 with the fan @ minimum speed. My cooler is much better with the fan @ full speed but @ minimum speed, it should be close to that Zalman's performance, no?

 

[Deleted member 185158]

While i never owned a Zalman 9700, i don't think it's a stretch @ all: just don't overclock.

I'm not overclocking and i use my NH-C14 with the fan @ minimum speed. My cooler is much better with the fan @ full speed but @ minimum speed, it should be close to that Zalman's performance, no?

The Ryzen processors are over-clocked at stock.

So I could run max p-state 3.7ghz I suppose....

 

[HTC]

The Ryzen processors are over-clocked at stock.

So I could run max p-state 3.7ghz I suppose....

If the cooler isn't as good or is restrained like mine (by choice), it just doesn't overclock itself as much under load as it would with a better / not restrained cooler: no need to mess with p-states.

@ most, it will throttle slightly, due to temps.

EDIT

Unless you use Prime95 or other similar programs: then it will throttle a lot due to temps, much like with the stock cooler ...

 

[Mr.Scott]

While i never owned a Zalman 9700, i don't think it's a stretch @ all: just don't overclock.

I'm not overclocking and i use my NH-C14 with the fan @ minimum speed. My cooler is much better with the fan @ full speed but @ minimum speed, it should be close to that Zalman's performance, no?

If you're not overclocking, there is no point in buying an aftermarket cooler.
Stock coolers are adequate for stock machines.

 

[HTC]

If you're not overclocking, there is no point in buying an aftermarket cooler.
Stock coolers are adequate for stock machines.

I like the silence of a low noise cooler using a fan @ minimum: when you have your PC about 1.5m away from the bed, silence is golden ...

Besides, i didn't buy it for this CPU because i've had this cooler for ten years: if i already have it, might as well use it, no?

 

[Mr.Scott]

I like the silence of a low noise cooler using a fan @ minimum: when you have your PC about 1.5m away from the bed, silence is golden ...

Besides, i didn't buy it for this CPU because i've had this cooler for ten years: if i already have it, might as well use it, no?

Don't need a whole cooler to get a quiet fan.

I do agree though, if you have it already, use it.

 

[HTC]

Don't need a whole cooler to get a quiet fan.

I do agree though, if you have it already, use it.

With a stock cooler, you usually do because 3rd party fans can't be installed in stock coolers, unfortunately.

How about we get back to topic: there has been enough derailment, no? I did quite a bit of derailment myself ...

If they manage to get the dimensions of this technology more "adequate" and this indeed turns out as good or better than most AIOs, then this is definitely the way to go. As new smaller manufacturing processes continue to improve, the heat gets more and more concentrated, and thus more difficult to counteract: we're reaching a point where air cooling is almost not an option already (TR 3970X) and possibly not an option @ all (TR 3990X).

 

[Deleted member 185158]

With a stock cooler, you usually do because 3rd party fans can't be installed in stock coolers, unfortunately.

How about we get back to topic: there has been enough derailment, no? I did quite a bit of derailment myself ...

If they manage to get the dimensions of this technology more "adequate" and this indeed turns out as good or better than most AIOs, then this is definitely the way to go. As new smaller manufacturing processes continue to improve, the heat gets more and more concentrated, and thus more difficult to counteract: we're reaching a point where air cooling is almost not an option already (TR 3970X) and possibly not an option @ all (TR 3990X).

From an enthusiast stand point, this thread, this thermosyphon cooler is a plain joke.

I can take ANY AIO liquid cooler, drop the radiator into a bucket of ice water and just demolish any air cooler on the market.

Kills liquid cooling.. Get out of here with that baiting gold digging pirate ship.

All aluminum. Yea, I'd pit the Zalman 9700 against it. Why not.

Gah. I'm out..

 

[Waldorf]

Yeah definitely not replacing high end cooler for a while, but might be something that i could use for builds that aren't mine.

Wouldn't have to worry about the owner messing anything up (for whatever reason), and with the exhaust side right next to two 120/140mm case fans would at least improve case/gpu temps, even if it wouldn't do much for cpu temps.

 

[kapone32]

While I do love my air cooler (Noctua TR4 DH14) I will be replacing it with a full CPU water block. The main reason is because I want to be able to populate all of my RAM slots. The kicker for me is the entire loop will be comprised of Alphacool Quick connectors. I already bought an Eisstation to cool my crossfire array and they idle in the low 20s C. The best though is that I am using 1 420MM rad to cool the GPUs. The cool thing for me is that I will still have a 420MM Rad to dedicate to my CPU. I might even get another Eisstation to work with the CPU. Though I doubt I may not see more than a 2 to 3 difference in temps (The Noctua is that good) I am definitely looking forward to it. I would have already done it but the first block I ordered has an aluminum block so I am sending it back and getting a Byiski TR4 block.

 

[Waldorf]

the best block for cpus with small size (vs heat produced) you need a fast heat transfer, something like the XSPC raystorm pro.
i had the raystorm (non pro) couple years ago and i had some of the lowest cpu temps i've seen (especially for a passive loop).

amd block

 

[kapone32]

the best block for cpus with small size (vs heat produced) you need a fast heat transfer, something like the XPC raystorm pro.
i had the raystorm (non pro) couple years ago and i had some of the lowest cpu temps i've seen (especially for a passive loop).

amd block

Nice the reviews on the Byiski block (and price) are my mitigating factors. The XPC Raystorm is $235 on Amazon.ca vs the Byiski for $89.99.

 

[Waldorf]

Just make sure you don't get one that has plastic/acryl on it.
its a clone of another brands block that they most likely copied from production in china,
and they usually have a lower price because they use lower quality materials, not just lower labor cost.
e.g., how many have used it for +3y, incl taking it apart 2 or 3 times when doing loop maintenance..

cant you order it thru someone living in the US, or from ebay/online shop other than amazon?

 

[kapone32]

Just make sure you don't get one that has plastic/acryl on it.
its a clone of another brands block that they most likely copied from production in china,
and they usually have a lower price because they use lower quality materials, not just lower labor cost.
e.g., how many have used it for +3y, incl taking it apart 2 or 3 times when doing loop maintenance..

cant you order it thru someone living in the US, or from ebay/online shop other than amazon?

Unfortunately I live in Canada and they love to charge customs for anything so even if it was cheaper from the States the shipping and customs would eat into those savings. I could get it from Ali Express but it would probably take twice as long to arrive. I think I have seen a similar block from EK. I guess the reason I like/trust Byiski is because they were the only ones that had a block for the Sapphire NItroX Vega 64 card that had a zero fan policy and the fans would not turn on at all until the GPU tempos hit 65 C. I do not like my GPUs idling in the 40 to 50 C range and that block was super nice too. I only use distilled water in my loop. Would acrylic still be a potential problem?

 

[bmacsys]

Don't make a claim unless you're willing to back it up with something. Otherwise you're just expressing an opinion, and while you're welcome to do that, if you express said opinion in a way that is harsh or insulting, you will come across as a troll. And nobody likes those.



I feel like *everyone* (including me!) owned a CNPS and/or TRUE cooler at some stage in their PC building career, they were just so damn good. It just shows how little innovation there has been in the air cooling space.

It isn't anecdotal, it isn't trolling nor is it an insult. Why would you take it personally? Seems strange tbh. CLC are junk. They are made of the cheapest materials that can be sourced and there are tens of thousands of posts littering tech forums that attest to that fact. That being said there are a myriad of quality air coolers on the market that are engineered very nicely. Then of course there are custom loops that can be built at a good price if you know what you are doing that will last for years.

 

[kapone32]

It isn't anecdotal, it isn't trolling nor is it an insult. Why would you take it personally? Seems strange tbh. CLC are junk. They are made of the cheapest materials that can be sourced and there are tens of thousands of posts littering tech forums that attest to that fact. That being said there are a myriad of quality air coolers on the market that are engineered very nicely. Then of course there are custom loops that can be built at a good price if you know what you are doing that will last for years.

Based on your post I wonder why AIO coolers are selling faster than air coolers especially at the same price point? You seem to be focused on the rhetoric spouted at the dawn of AIOs. I still have my Cooler Master Nepton 280 from 2013 going strong and it is paired with an AM4 based CPU and it keeps the 1700 at 25-27 C and never above 47 C with a 3.9 GHZ OC on all cores.

 

[moproblems99]

It isn't anecdotal, it isn't trolling nor is it an insult. Why would you take it personally? Seems strange tbh. CLC are junk.

CLC s have their place. Try to fit that air cooling performance in an itx build....

 

[AsRock]

I'm... not so impressed given the size of that thing.

It's much smaller now.

 

[lexluthermiester]

It's much smaller now.

Oh? Got any links or pics?

 

[AsRock]

Oh? Got any links or pics?

IceGiant Cooling

IceGiantCooling

www.icegiantcooling.com

I am no fan of PC World of today, how ever they did this video on it and it really shows the size of it.

The one thing that's putting me of it is that their is no copper contact for the CPU sadly, as i was thinking of getting one.

 

[mtcn77]

IceGiant Cooling

IceGiantCooling

www.icegiantcooling.com

I am no fan of PC World of today, how ever they did this video on it and it really shows the size of it.

The one thing that's putting me of it is that their is no copper contact for the CPU sadly, as i was thinking of getting one.

I hate to intervene, but there was one other company that implemented the same idea, however with the aforementioned copper coldplate.
The idea was not commercially feasible. 'Explosion welding' is not commercial by any stretch of the imagination.

Captherm systems MP1120

Any thoughts on this it seems to be an all in one phase change cooler. http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/captherm-systems-builds-pc-phase-change-cooler-explosions/ looks like an interesting idea. I'd like to see some independent test results to see if the $250 msrp is justified.

forums.anandtech.com

 

[sneekypeet]

I hate to intervene, but there was one other company that implemented the same idea, however with the aforementioned copper coldplate.
The idea was not commercially feasible. 'Explosion welding' is not commercial by any stretch of the imagination.

Captherm systems MP1120

Any thoughts on this it seems to be an all in one phase change cooler. http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/captherm-systems-builds-pc-phase-change-cooler-explosions/ looks like an interesting idea. I'd like to see some independent test results to see if the $250 msrp is justified.

forums.anandtech.com

Pretty sure, in that instance, it certainly isn't feasible when the CEO takes off with much of the loot to leave the company flounder. At least that was the story I got not too long after it showed up at trade shows.

 

[mtcn77]

Pretty sure, in that instance, it certainly isn't feasible when the CEO takes off with much of the loot to leave the company flounder. At least that was the story I got not too long after it showed up at trade shows.

You are the person of interest.
Though, in this case, I pay my respects to the lady CEO. '$99' price tag does not pass the impression of an opportunity past its prime. Good job!

Wow, this chimes my windmills. What if you assorted it with graphite pads? Best of both worlds performance.

 

[lexluthermiester]

IceGiant Cooling

IceGiantCooling

www.icegiantcooling.com

I am no fan of PC World of today, how ever they did this video on it and it really shows the size of it.

The one thing that's putting me of it is that their is no copper contact for the CPU sadly, as i was thinking of getting one.

That looks smooth. I like it! I'd use one of them. I wonder if it would possible to make downfiring versions(where the fan blows air down on the motherboard)?