Throttlestop overclocking Desktop PCs

[KLiKzg]

Did you make sure to increase the power limits in the TPL screen? You have to bump the power limits when OCing by more than 10ish%.


I will answer with the following;
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There you go. Just because Intel, microsoft or anyone else says it's not "compatible" does NOT mean it will not work and run perfectly. It should also be noted that this install of 11 is on a WesternDigital 640GB 7200RPM mechanical hard drive from 2012. Drive performance is acceptable(read good). (forgive the notepad mistake, I moved a sentence and it pasted in the wrong place, didn't realize it had happened until after taking the screenshot)


Anyone who doesn't want to throw away a perfectly good and working PC? Just because it's older does NOT mean it's useless.

Exactly as I told, you MODED the Windows to do so. You said it yourself in the post.

Thank you for your honesty. We all know it runs, but we also know that it "does not run out of the box".

 

[frankr2994]

@unclewebb
The person I was helping with the Dell T3610 with a e5-1650v2 managed to get an overclock. However have a weird issue. TS didn't do it. XTU did...TS shows overclock lock. Cannot adjust the multiplier. When the multiplier is changed in XTU it updates the locked value in TS. This was all through his own experimenting because I could not help him get the system unlocked using the latest bios.

 

[unclewebb]

@frankr2994
When using ThrottleStop on older processors you have to press the Turn On button. This sends the Set Multiplier value to the CPU. When the title bar shows Monitoring..., ThrottleStop is not doing anything. That might have something to do with the problem.

When the multiplier is changed in XTU it updates the locked value in TS.

ThrottleStop shows locked with the maximum multiplier being 41.

 

[frankr2994]

@frankr2994
When using ThrottleStop on older processors you have to press the Turn On button. This sends the Set Multiplier value to the CPU. When the title bar shows Monitoring..., ThrottleStop is not doing anything. That might have something to do with the problem.

I would have assumed values could be changed prior to turning on. But I'll relay the info and report back. Thanks as always for the quick response.

 

[Retrorockit]

I recall having to restart the computer after turning TS on sometimes to get it to take control. Once it took control it was OK from then on.
HWBOT is tied in with Intel for XTU support. At one time TS was the only game in town. Whether Intel is imposing limits or not IDK.

 

[unclewebb]

having to restart the computer

If ThrottleStop is setup correctly, you should not have to restart it. Post some screenshots the next time you have this problem.

 

[frankr2994]

I recall having to restart the computer after turning TS on sometimes to get it to take control. Once it took control it was OK from then on.
HWBOT is tied in with Intel for XTU support. At one time TS was the only game in town. Whether Intel is imposing limits or not IDK.

No idea. Every time I start helping with this stuff I feel like I just need to go buy that system and piss around with it myself lol. But there is no good reason I need to buy the same PC I own 1 generation older. Starting to think though I wouldn't mind an old t3500 though....

@frankr2994
When using ThrottleStop on older processors you have to press the Turn On button. This sends the Set Multiplier value to the CPU. When the title bar shows Monitoring..., ThrottleStop is not doing anything. That might have something to do with the problem.


ThrottleStop shows locked with the maximum multiplier being 41.

He got back to me. Has had it turned off and on multiple times. Never shows any changes. And I missed the second part there. It does show locked and 41. That CPU turbos 1 core to 39 max. He overclocked it with XTU to 41 and then all the locked values changed in TS. That was the super weird part of this I was referring too.

Here is a screenshot he took before he could get an overclock applied with XTU.

 

[unclewebb]

Here is a screenshot

Thanks for the update.

In theory, once that register is locked and you have booted up into Windows, software is not supposed to be able to change it. I guess Intel XTU knows some trick that ThrottleStop does not know.

Can you ask him if he can change the turbo ratios without rebooting?

 

[frankr2994]

Thanks for the update.

In theory, once that register is locked and you have booted up into Windows, software is not supposed to be able to change it. I guess Intel XTU knows some trick that ThrottleStop does not know.

Can you ask him if he can change the turbo ratios without rebooting?

I've already seen that he can change them at will in XTU and watch the locked numbers change in TS.and this is an older version on XTU. I'm sure you know they dropped support for everything older with new updates.

 

[Retrorockit]

If ThrottleStop is setup correctly, you should not have to restart it. Post some screenshots the next time you have this problem.

It seemed to be related to a missing ring0dll issue. I found that file and stuck it on the desktop. It may have needed the restart to find it there. As far as not set up properly? I'm probably guilty somehow.

I started this thread to bring attention to the possibility of overclocking locked BIOS computers. TS was about all there was at the time. If you want to bring some XTU projects here it's fine with me.
I felt there was a need for something separate from conventional overclocking, and undervolting laptops. XTU is a good fit here. We don't have any experts here yet, but I would love to see some results. The HP workstation overclockers are more into XTU and haven't done much with TS. BIOS mods, tapemods, Voltmods. Whatever works is fine with me. If you have your own site and a crew doing this that's fine too. maybe some links when you get it going?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Exactly as I told, you MODED the Windows to do so. You said it yourself in the post.

Windows 11 runs fine with a stock install.

Thank you for your honesty. We all know it runs, but we also know that it "does not run out of the box".

Windows 10 requires NO modding. Windows 10 and 11 run fine on ALL Core2Quad CPU's and they run fine. Full stop.

 

[unclewebb]

ring0.dll

The last non beta version of ThrottleStop that used the WinRing0 driver was released 4 years ago. Any problems related to that driver should not be an issue when using any of the recent ThrottleStop versions.

I had a look in the local Buy and Sell for a T3610 or a T5810 to play with but they still sell locally for more than what I am willing to pay for one. I guess I will have to wait another year before I can do some hands on testing to try and learn some new overclocking tricks.

Dell's desktop computers from this era seem to be very durable.

 

[Retrorockit]

The last non beta version of ThrottleStop that used the WinRing0 driver was released 4 years ago. Any problems related to that driver should not be an issue when using any of the recent ThrottleStop versions.

That would be what I'm using on my older computers.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Dell's desktop computers from this era seem to be very durable.

True. The cases were a bit junky looking, but the hardware was solid.

 

[Veseleil]

CMIIM, TS can unlock OC features for an unlocked SKU, on a BIOS that lack those (OC features)?
So technically, it should be able to provide OC features for a 3930K on my X79 Assassin (yes, those are two asses in), which has the latest bios that thwarts any OC. Testing tomorrow.

 

[Retrorockit]

CMIIM, TS can unlock OC features for an unlocked SKU, on a BIOS that lack those (OC features)?
So technically, it should be able to provide OC features for a 3930K on my X79 Assassin (yes, those are two asses in), which has the latest bios that thwarts any OC. Testing tomorrow.

Yes it does this in Windows. There are some unofficially unlocked Xeon CPUs also. That's why you see them mentioned often in this thread.

 

[unclewebb]

the latest bios that thwarts any OC

If the BIOS has locked out overclocking then there might not be anything that ThrottleStop can do about that.

Check the MMIO Lock box in the TPL window and post lots of ThrottleStop screenshots so I can see if anything is possible.

 

[Veseleil]

If the BIOS has locked out overclocking then there might not be anything that ThrottleStop can do about that.

Check the MMIO Lock box in the TPL window and post lots of ThrottleStop screenshots so I can see if anything is possible.

Will do, as soon as get some sleep.

Nope, can't even check that box. Also I can't install XTU...

 

[unclewebb]

Nope, can't even check that box.

That is the MMIO Lock box. It looks like you should be able to check this box. What happens when you try to check this box?

If you can check that box, open up the Turbo Ratio Limits window, check the OC box in the Turbo Overclocking section and try setting all of the Turbo Ratio Limits to 40 and press OK.

On the main screen check the Set Multiplier box and increase this from 38 T to 40 T. Check the High Performance box which switches Windows to the High Performance power plan. Run something simple like the built in TS Bench test and set that to a light load 1 Thread test. While that test is running, what does ThrottleStop show for the CPU speed? Show me a screenshot while the CPU is loaded like this.

I have never had my hands on a 3930K or a similar CPU for testing purposes. In theory it looks like the above should work. If it does not work, I am not sure what else to try.

 

[Veseleil]

That is the MMIO Lock box. It looks like you should be able to check this box. What happens when you try to check this box?

Nothing, it can't be checked.

If you can check that box, open up the Turbo Ratio Limits window, check the OC box in the Turbo Overclocking section and try setting all of the Turbo Ratio Limits to 40 and press OK.

On the main screen check the Set Multiplier box and increase this from 38 T to 40 T. Check the High Performance box which switches Windows to the High Performance power plan. Run something simple like the built in TS Bench test and set that to a light load 1 Thread test. While that test is running, what does ThrottleStop show for the CPU speed? Show me a screenshot while the CPU is loaded like this.

 

[unclewebb]

Nothing, it can't be checked.

I guess checking the MMIO box does not matter on your CPU.

You are running with a consistent 40 multiplier. Overclocking is working just fine.

I would check the SpeedStep box. Older CPUs can get stuck at a lower frequency when SpeedStep is not enabled.

 

[Veseleil]

The CPU was already overclocked to 4.4GHz in BIOS... IKR, it sounds like I'm fooling you around, but it's not the case. I was messing around with my terrible Gigabyte bios restrictions, and succeeded in setting some of the values manually, while I was waiting for your response. The core freq. works correctly, but I'm having trouble with adjusting the Vcore.
Now, I've loaded optimized defaults, and tried the steps above. It's not working, cores are stuck to 3500 all, 3800MHz single default values.
Thanks anyway. BTW, I haven't seen any voltage controls in your app. Is it just the laptop exclusive, or?

 

[unclewebb]

ThrottleStop voltage control only works on 4th Gen and newer Core i CPUs that use an integrated voltage regulator (FIVR).

It's not working, cores are stuck to 3500

Your overclock was working. Is SpeedStep enabled? You need to do that so the Set Multiplier value gets sent to the CPU.

 

[Veseleil]

Tried with SpeedStep, same results. Thanks again. I'll turn to the BIOS OC, reading a comprehensive guide ATM. This thing is a furnace. VRM, SB, RAM, gets so hot you can't leave your fingers on (OC 4.4GHz 1.35Vcore).

 

[lexluthermiester]

This thing is a furnace. VRM, SB, RAM, gets so hot you can't leave your fingers on (OC 4.4GHz 1.35Vcore).

You need a fan blowing directly on the socket area.