Tomgang´s project 2 systems in 1 case. All air cooled.

[Tomgang]

I was asked to make a build log for my new project 2 systems in 1 case. You can see all parts that goes in to this build in the link: https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...h-related-purchase-thread.225885/post-4537865

The first image of the mini-itx system up and running. Just a basic setup now to test for temperature and stability, before gettings mounted in the case and i go to the normal ATX system. Dont exspect good image in this thread. My phone i use, is cheap garbage and is very sensitive to how the lights is in the room.

But to kick of this log. Here are a few image of the mini-itx with wondows 10 installed and ready to test. But now i am in the first step to build it and move on form X58.

 

[Tomgang]

I have just testet the CPU at stock settings and stock fan profile on motherboard with Prime 95 with small files or the hottest test. I can happely repport that temperature are just fine. with stock CPU settings and this little air cooler. CPU max out at 71-72 degree celsius and since max temp is 95, this is well with in spec. Temp is around the same with Cinebench R20 test running continued. CPU fan runs 1900 RPM and its max rated RPM is 2500 rpm, so the fan still have more to give as well. Temp seems to be all in check at stock and i also seems i can actually be allowed to run cpu over stock settings and i hornestly dit not exspect that. System also stabel and no crashing. CPU clock does run just below base clock maxed out with prime95, but remember prime 95 is also really beating a cpu. i can also comfirm it boost to it´s max rated clock of 4650 MHz. So far so good.

This will be the last post today. it´s getting late and i need to eat to. Oh can also tell that motherboard bios is updated to the latest none beta version. Memory, the 2 x 16 GB kit does run dual rank. Just if any one wundered.

 

[phill]

Looking good sir!! Can't wait for the progress!!

 

[Tomgang]

So now second system is up and running. Stable and some bloody good temperature for a Zen 3 CPU. Again i am limit by the stock power settings and nothing is touched in bios accept active memory XMP profile. These temp are with stock fan profile not touched and remember these fans can ramp up to 3000 RPM or just around that mark., that also mean these fans ramp up higher with out a optimized fan profile. it ilde around 35 degree celsius with around 1400 RPM on fans and under load on Cinebench R20 and prime95, average temp is 55 degree celsius and one peak of 60 degree celsius possible caused by a single core boost as i open software. Yes it get hotter by a few cores boosting than all core at max load. Fan speed settles down at around 1600 RPM at 55 degree celsius and the fans can go to 3000 rpm. So a lot of head room for som overclcock. Prime95 all core clock is in the 3,2 to 3,3 GHz area and just as 5600X that is below baseclock limited by power settings. Cinebench R20 cpu stays at around 3,8 to 3,9 GHz. Well if you only intend to run this cpu at stock, you deffently dosent need any exsotic custom water cooling.

Next up is to prepare the case and mount PSU, case fans and so on. Cause now the two systems are ready to go in to the case now.

 

[tabascosauz]

If you need an all-core CPU test stronger than Cinebench, you should probably disable AVX while using Prime95. Under the PB algorithm, the Ryzen 5000s are underclocked even harder than Ryzen 3000s in P95 AVX, to the point that there's not a lot of point in running the test as is anymore. iirc LinpackXtreme still runs as hard as it did before.

Shouldn't have to worry much about AVX stability, the algorithm seems to handle that well. Just as long as ST and MT are stable in non-AVX to highest possible clocks.

As for the temps, ST being hotter than MT is a trend that you'll see even more when you start gaming on your system, esp on air. Par for the course on the 2CCD CPUs, unless you crank up the PPT limit

Glad to see everything is finally coming together for you, it was a long wait. Methinks you should have waited for 5600G on the ITX system, less power, less heat, more iGPU and moar mem OC

 

[Tomgang]

If you need an all-core CPU test stronger than Cinebench, you should probably disable AVX while using Prime95. Under the PB algorithm, the Ryzen 5000s are underclocked even harder than Ryzen 3000s in P95 AVX, to the point that there's not a lot of point in running the test as is anymore. iirc LinpackXtreme still runs as hard as it did before.

As for the temps, ST being hotter than MT is a trend that you'll see even more when you start gaming on your system. Par for the course on the 2CCD CPUs, unless you crank up the PPT limit

Glad to see everything is finally coming together for you, it was a long wait. Methinks you should have waited for 5600G on the ITX system, less power, less heat, more iGPU and moar mem OC

Dosent matter with AVX load for me. Dont use AVX under normal use. Prime95 is more for test of temp and stability than any thing else. I am aware of the low clock with prime. That is normal.

Well i will have to wait with gaming and see temp there then. No i am happy with 5600X, temp with the lower profile cooler are lower than i exspected. I exspected around 80 degree celsius at full load. So im happy with low 70 degree celsius.

It was a long wait inded. halt a year from ordering the first parts to have it all. well the wait for Zen 3 cpu in stock, took a long time to happen.

 

[Tomgang]

New Update. Good in the progres of getting the system build. But i have a set back. I need a new GPU riser kabel, the one i got is to long for the MINI-ITX system, so a shorter one is in order and shipped. Will have to wait and see how long it takes to get here, as it has been ordere from another country and there will be som tax feed on it that will prolong the arrival. I also had the change the GPU for the Mini-ITX because GTX 1050 TI cooler almost covering all of the CPU fan and sufficate it from gettng air to the cooler and buy a ASUS GTX 1650 with low profile cooler. Still covering some og the CPU fan, but much better now and GTX 1650 is faster than GTX 1050 TI, so it´s propably a win in the long run, given this GPU shortage will last a long time. I think well in to 2022 before any thing starts to be better.

So there are still a few things needed to be done. Cable management first of all in the back, connect Fans and fan controller up, Connect RGB light and control for it. So still a few things. I also still need to get windows install done. Meaning install all drivers, update and software i use. So not done yet and i dont know if i get finnish this week. From next week don´t exspect any update before the weekgend. I begin at work again next week, so there will not be so much time to work on this project.

But here are a few image of the progress i have made. Let me know if you have an idea, of a better setup of cable or other things. I´m open for idea´s i maybe not have think of my self. It´s still a work in progress and some cables might be replaced later.

Empty and stripped down case at the beginning of building.

Now to where i am right now.

 

[freeagent]

That is awesome man, and so are you

 

[Tomgang]

That is awesome man, and so are you

Thanks. I think this will turn out great, when done.

 

[lexluthermiester]

New Update. Good in the progres of getting the system build. But i have a set back. I need a new GPU riser kabel, the one i got is to long for the MINI-ITX system, so a shorter one is in order and shipped. Will have to wait and see how long it takes to get here, as it has been ordere from another country and there will be som tax feed on it that will prolong the arrival. I also had the change the GPU for the Mini-ITX because GTX 1050 TI cooler almost covering all of the CPU fan and sufficate it from gettng air to the cooler and buy a ASUS GTX 1650 with low profile cooler. Still covering some og the CPU fan, but much better now and GTX 1650 is faster than GTX 1050 TI, so it´s propably a win in the long run, given this GPU shortage will last a long time. I think well in to 2022 before any thing starts to be better.

So there are still a few things needed to be done. Cable management first of all in the back, connect Fans and fan controller up, Connect RGB light and control for it. So still a few things. I also still need to get windows install done. Meaning install all drivers, update and software i use. So not done yet and i dont know if i get finnish this week. From next week don´t exspect any update before the weekgend. I begin at work again next week, so there will not be so much time to work on this project.

But here are a few image of the progress i have made. Let me know if you have an idea, of a better setup of cable or other things. I´m open for idea´s i maybe not have think of my self. It´s still a work in progress and some cables might be replaced later.

Empty and stripped down case at the beginning of building.
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Now to where i am right now.
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I was wondering how all that was going to work. Nice!

 

[Tomgang]

I was wondering how all that was going to work. Nice!

Yeah i hope you and others now have a better idea of whats going on.

 

[iBruceypoo]

I do believe the good man is truly having so much fun - simply building!

Go Tomgang Go!

 

[Tomgang]

I do believe the good man is truly having so much fun - simply building!

Go Tomgang Go!

Oh you bet I enjoying building it. It's 12 years ago I last build a new pc from buttom and up. So it's not something that happens now and then. But perhaps every decade or so.

I also got fans and controllers connected up and ready Saturday. Now I frankly just need to connect RGB and get the clutter of wires looking nice as possible on the back side + wait for that riser cable to come. So today I will take a break from it. I've been building every day since Tuesday. So now I need to do something else for a change.

 

[yotano211]

So now second system is up and running. Stable and some bloody good temperature for a Zen 3 CPU. Again i am limit by the stock power settings and nothing is touched in bios accept active memory XMP profile. These temp are with stock fan profile not touched and remember these fans can ramp up to 3000 RPM or just around that mark., that also mean these fans ramp up higher with out a optimized fan profile. it ilde around 35 degree celsius with around 1400 RPM on fans and under load on Cinebench R20 and prime95, average temp is 55 degree celsius and one peak of 60 degree celsius possible caused by a single core boost as i open software. Yes it get hotter by a few cores boosting than all core at max load. Fan speed settles down at around 1600 RPM at 55 degree celsius and the fans can go to 3000 rpm. So a lot of head room for som overclcock. Prime95 all core clock is in the 3,2 to 3,3 GHz area and just as 5600X that is below baseclock limited by power settings. Cinebench R20 cpu stays at around 3,8 to 3,9 GHz. Well if you only intend to run this cpu at stock, you deffently dosent need any exsotic custom water cooling.

Next up is to prepare the case and mount PSU, case fans and so on. Cause now the two systems are ready to go in to the case now.

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I like the airwolf helo background

 

[Tomgang]

I like the airwolf helo background

I do myself. I've always been a fan of Airwolf and knight rider.

 

[yotano211]

I do myself. I've always been a fan of Airwolf and knight rider.

Where did you get it from.
I would love to get it.

 

[Tomgang]

Where did you get it from.
I would love to get it.

From here: https://www.deviantart.com/alxfx/art/Airwolf-2020-849343138

 

[yotano211]

From here: https://www.deviantart.com/alxfx/art/Airwolf-2020-849343138

oh lala, thank you

 

[Tomgang]

oh lala, thank you

Your welcome.

 

[Tomgang]

Just a little update. Bofh machines are now booting inside the case, but it´s not going to be finish this weekgend as i had hope for. With a custom build like this, there are some unik configgurations that needs unik solutions at times and i am in that possision right now.

So there are two things i need to short out. There are to few USB 2.0 headers on the Dark hero motherboard where i will control all RGB from. There are only two and i need 3. So for that i am thinking on buying this internal USB hub to fix that problem and so i can control RGB and fan controllers porperly: Amazon.com: NZXT Internal USB Hub 3 - AC-IUSBH-M3-4 Internal USB 2.0 Ports - 3M Dual Lock Tapes - Magnetic Body - Plug and Play: Computers & Accessories

The second thing is the fan controllers are bofh starting up no matter what of the system that is started up. They start up ass soon they get power from the molex (PSU turns on all sata/molex and PCIe ports, even if just one system is running and you cant do anything about it) and that means all fans start at full power and that controller that dosent get any signal from motherboard and software are just running fans at 100 %. So i am thinking on buying two molex exstentions cables and then put a on off swicth on the yellow 12 volts wire. So i can turn the controllers on and off depending on what system is in use. That shut solve that.

else i just need to cable manege ment it and its pretty much done. Then where are just to get all the drivers and software installed. But the above things needs to be shorted out first. else it will not go accordinly to my plans.

A few image of a almost finish system running. But it´s still a work in progress and as you can see, cables need to be properly wired in the case as well. Now it´s just a mess of cables. Two of the fans in top and at the buttom does not have RGB on as one of the control hubs to these fans is not connected to motherboard cause i need a USB 2.0 header more and thats where the internal USB hub come in to play as each controller hub can only have up to 4 RGB lanes connected and as it is configured now i need 6 rgb lanes for the fans. You can also see that HDD cases are out, cause it turned out one of the WD gold 14 TB was bad and has been RMA. But i just got money back and i am not buying a new one right now given the current pricing of large capacity drives and it also turned out that the gold drives are not a silent HDD (if you are after a silent HDD, WD GOLD is not reccomended). But it´s fast for at HDD as under benchmark of the HDD i got up 260 MB/s at read and for a HDD that´s pretty good. So for now i will use one WD gold 14 TB and one WD red 4 TB from my old system temporaly. I can also tell that the one PSU seems to work just fine with one or bofh system turned on. No matter one of it is.

Just a side note. I tested my fiber optick connection on the Asus B550-I mini-ATX board with a wireless connection. It´s a 500/500 Mbits fiber lane. So it seems i lose some speed on the upload compared to wired connection on X58 and about 100 mbit loss. But look at that ping. I am really surprized about ping. It´s just as good as if it´s a wired connection. 2-3 MS ping is the same no matter what. I dit run it severel times to confirm. But ping whas the same at every test, however upload was different every time. Upload seems to be stable around the 500 Mbits mark.

That´s all for now. I will a wait those thins to come home.

 

[iBruceypoo]

Just a little update. Bofh machines are now booting inside the case, but it´s not going to be finish this weekgend as i had hope for. With a custom build like this, there are some unik configgurations that needs unik solutions at times and i am in that possision right now.

So there are two things i need to short out. There are to few USB 2.0 headers on the Dark hero motherboard where i will control all RGB from. There are only two and i need 3. So for that i am thinking on buying this internal USB hub to fix that problem and so i can control RGB and fan controllers porperly: Amazon.com: NZXT Internal USB Hub 3 - AC-IUSBH-M3-4 Internal USB 2.0 Ports - 3M Dual Lock Tapes - Magnetic Body - Plug and Play: Computers & Accessories

The second thing is the fan controllers are bofh starting up no matter what of the system that is started up. They start up ass soon they get power from the molex (PSU turns on all sata/molex and PCIe ports, even if just one system is running and you cant do anything about it) and that means all fans start at full power and that controller that dosent get any signal from motherboard and software are just running fans at 100 %. So i am thinking on buying two molex exstentions cables and then put a on off swicth on the yellow 12 volts wire. So i can turn the controllers on and off depending on what system is in use. That shut solve that.

else i just need to cable manege ment it and its pretty much done. Then where are just to get all the drivers and software installed. But the above things needs to be shorted out first. else it will not go accordinly to my plans.

A few image of a almost finish system running. But it´s still a work in progress and as you can see, cables need to be properly wired in the case as well. Now it´s just a mess of cables. Two of the fans in top and at the buttom does not have RGB on as one of the control hubs to these fans is not connected to motherboard cause i need a USB 2.0 header more and thats where the internal USB hub come in to play as each controller hub can only have up to 4 RGB lanes connected and as it is configured now i need 6 rgb lanes for the fans. You can also see that HDD cases are out, cause it turned out one of the WD gold 14 TB was bad and has been RMA. But i just got money back and i am not buying a new one right now given the current pricing of large capacity drives and it also turned out that the gold drives are not a silent HDD (if you are after a silent HDD, WD GOLD is not reccomended). But it´s fast for at HDD as under benchmark of the HDD i got up 260 MB/s at read and for a HDD that´s pretty good. So for now i will use one WD gold 14 TB and one WD red 4 TB from my old system temporaly. I can also tell that the one PSU seems to work just fine with one or bofh system turned on. No matter one of it is.

Just a side note. I tested my fiber optick connection on the Asus B550-I mini-ATX board with a wireless connection. It´s a 500/500 Mbits fiber lane. So it seems i lose some speed on the upload compared to wired connection on X58 and about 100 mbit loss. But look at that ping. I am really surprized about ping. It´s just as good as if it´s a wired connection. 2-3 MS ping is the same no matter what. I dit run it severel times to confirm. But ping whas the same at every test, however upload was different every time. Upload seems to be stable around the 500 Mbits mark.

That´s all for now. I will a wait those thins to come home.

Tomgang is rockin' TWO Aquaero 6s, not ONE - but TWO!

Lookin' good tech brother.

Here's mine. Removed the front panel display long time ago, stripped down Aquaero 6s with passive heatsinks, for a rough industrial aesthetic.

Attached mine with some Velcro, didn't want to drill any holes in the test bench.

 

[Tomgang]

Tomgang is rockin' TWO Aquaero 6s, not ONE - but TWO!

Lookin' good tech brother.

Here's mine. Removed the front panel display long time ago, stripped down Aquaero 6s with passive heatsinks, for a rough industrial aesthetic.

Attached mine with some Velcro, didn't want to drill any holes in the test bench.

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Yes rockin two aquacomputer quadro 6 xt controllers, so it´s two top models. One for each system. It´s a great little controller. Exspensive, but they work really great.

Under standable you dont want to drill holes in your test bench.

Looking forward to get my system done and really getting to use it.

 

[iBruceypoo]

Yes rockin two aquacomputer quadro 6 xt controllers, so it´s two top models. One for each system. It´s a great little controller. Exspensive, but they work really great.

Under standable you dont want to drill holes in your test bench.

Looking forward to get my system done and really getting to use it.

Yep I know they are a bit pricey, picked mine up in 2013 and another in 2015 also XT skus with displays just like yours. Back then I was running custom water loops pumps and so many fans. Then I transitioned to simple air cooling and test benches, so now my Aquaero 6s are a bit overkill, but I kept them anyway.

Here's my other/older A6 purchased way back in 2013 - still going strong.

Good Luck with your build Tomgang!

 

[Tomgang]

Yep I know they are a bit pricey, picked mine up in 2013 and another in 2015 also XT skus with displays just like yours. Back then I was running custom water loops pumps and so many fans. Then I transitioned to simple air cooling and test benches, so now my Aquaero 6s are a bit overkill, but I kept them anyway.

Here's my other/older A6 purchased way back in 2013 - still going strong.

Good Luck with your build Tomgang!

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Thanks, i think it will be great. Just need to take care of the bump on the road to completing it. That´s how it is, when you build something that´s not something most people would do.

Glad to here that your controllers are from 2013 and 2015. That gives me hope for i can keep my controllers for the entire life span of this build i exspect to be around 8 years.

 

[iBruceypoo]

Thanks, i think it will be great. Just need to take care of the bump on the road to completing it. That´s how it is, when you build something that´s not something most people would do.

Glad to here that your controllers are from 2013 and 2015. That gives me hope for i can keep my controllers for the entire life span of this build i exspect to be around 8 years.

Your build's complexity level is high and also brilliant, so expect a few speed bumps along the way.

Once again, Great Luck!