Tomgang´s project 2 systems in 1 case. All air cooled.

[ThrashZone]

Of course rgb rainbow puke and crappy software needed for 910 that 710+ doesn't need.

 

[Tomgang]

Of course rgb rainbow puke and crappy software needed for 910 that 710+ doesn't need.

Most RGB needs software to control it. No news there. What ever it is my fans, keyboard, motherboard, memory or gpu. It all needs software what ever it is crappy or not. Personally I don't think it's crappy.

If anything, asus software is crappy for RGB. At times, specially after an update, it has trouble recognizing my memory modules. Meaning not control of RGB on memory. A restart typically fix it throw. But I have not had any problems with Logitech software. It works better than asus RGB software for sure.

But it don't like RGB, do choose things with on the first place.

 

[Tomgang]

A little Update i am considering to do an upgrade next year. I am considering it and not any more than that for now. I am considering it becasue as of september i am finish paying of my car loan and that free up more money for fun. However i am only considering it because the world is a very unstable place right now. An economic crisis is loming with a recession here in Europa i live do to a very possible energy crisis on gaz (because mr. Put in the trash, might close of gaz supply to europe for good) and electricity do to economic and climate problems. So that means the risk of i loosing my job in the coming time is increased and do lose my job, this upgrade plan goes down the drain with it.

So now to my plan.

For ATX i am considering this upgrade:

CPU: Zen 4 7950X
Cooling: i hope i can reuse my curent Noctua cooler.
Motherboard: properly Asus crosshair hero X670
Memory: i have not yet desided on this. But properly 32 GB of ram at least.
GPU: RTX 4080

For mini-itx:

GPU: NVIDIA RTX A2000
Storage: WD RED 14 TB HDD

About the RTX A2000. I know it has a horrible price value to performance, but it´s the only thing on the market that would be a significant upgrade over my GTX 1650 that also comes with a Low profile cooler that also has more vram. RT 6400 is out just because of vram and is not really any faster and GTX 1630 is just a bad money grabbing joke from Nvidia and RTX 3050 does not seems to come in a low profile version either and based on that i dont think RTX 4050 would neither come in a Low profile card. So that really only left RTX A2000 back as an option, all throw it´s an exspensive option sadly.

Also what might kill this of beside maybe loosing my job would be PSU compability. PCIe gen 5 boards comes with new connection and so does RTX 4000 series, but i hope after marked cards would still come with 8 or 6 pin connectors. Cause changing PSU is not an option with a dual system, unless some one makes a new PSU for dual system with PCIe 5 compatability and how high do you think that chance is?

I might end only replacing GPU´s or nothing if i lose my job. No matter what it will not happen before in 2023. I need to save up more yet and i want to wait for some time before jumping on Zen 4 as new platform means new risk of early troubles like memory first gen Zen had do to the change to DDR5 for Zen 4.

That´s all for now.

 

[Tomgang]

Zen 4 has so far been dropped. I can see my economy is not geared to handle both zen 4, new gpu's and inflation at the same time. There are a a limit to what is feasible.

So for now I will settle with new gpu's and maybe a new hdd, to replace my older 4 tb wd red. It's beginning to be at a critical point with storage left on it.

So today I have just ordered a RTX A2000 gpu, that will replace my current gtx 1650 and then I will have to wait and see with RTX 4080 and a bigger hdd. We are still in difficult amd unstable times. So a economic meltdown can happen. Meaning I don't find it wise to burn of to much at the same time.

So that was an update for now. Besides new gpu's and hdd. Nothing new is planed for the next half to a whole year

 

[freeagent]

Yup I will probably get a 4080 and a PSU, my oldest boy can have my Ampere

 

[Tomgang]

Yup I will probably get a 4080 and a PSU, my oldest boy can have my Ampere

Yeah. Rtx 4080 is the spot for my price point. TI cards is just to expensive and lower tier like rtx 4070 has to little vram for my needs.

But I am keeping my psu. Well 1200 watt should be enough and I am literally not in a position for any other psu, as the one I have now, is the only psu capable of running two systems at the same time.

 

[Toothless]

This thread was part of the reason I went with a dual system rig. The 719 I got was super cheap and ended up being my camera/media rig for security and the living room tv. Still a work in progress but it's getting there!

Yeah, messy, but I've got a bunch of other projects that need attending to. Big thank you for the inspiration @Tomgang!

 

[Tomgang]

This thread was part of the reason I went with a dual system rig. The 719 I got was super cheap and ended up being my camera/media rig for security and the living room tv. Still a work in progress but it's getting there!

Yeah, messy, but I've got a bunch of other projects that need attending to. Big thank you for the inspiration @Tomgang!

You are welcome. All ways glad this can inspire others.

One quick way to get some of cable away. Simply unscrew the hdd's and turn them 180 degrees around. Then you can have power and sata cable on the backside of the case and free you from some of cables. That's what I have done with my hdd.

Also funny to see a hybrid system. Meaning one mashine is watercooled, while the other is aircooled. That makes your system kind of unique on its own way. I have not seen any other dual system that has water and air cooling combined. Not that I would not say, they are out there. But never seen one posted.

So I would say the system we have is unique both of them. Mine for being purely aircooled and yours for being both. That's refreshing, cause all I see on YouTube or other media, are all custom watercooled or at least using an aio on both systems.

 

[ADB1979]

@Tomgang, having looked through this thread at your pictures, I have to wonder why your front fans are blowing air in, and then immediately being exhausted by the side fans

Surely it would be better to have the side fans blowing air IN... i get that it wont be as attractive, but it surely would improve your temps and / or fan speeds.!

 

[Toothless]

You are welcome. All ways glad this can inspire others.

One quick way to get some of cable away. Simply unscrew the hdd's and turn them 180 degrees around. Then you can have power and sata cable on the backside of the case and free you from some of cables. That's what I have done with my hdd.

Also funny to see a hybrid system. Meaning one mashine is watercooled, while the other is aircooled. That makes your system kind of unique on its own way. I have not seen any other dual system that has water and air cooling combined. Not that I would not say, they are out there. But never seen one posted.

So I would say the system we have is unique both of them. Mine for being purely aircooled and yours for being both. That's refreshing, cause all I see on YouTube or other media, are all custom watercooled or at least using an aio on both systems.

The HDDs are before I found out the bottom bracket can pop out, and the fan was added as a temp fix to the hot-running ITX at the bottom. That all needs to get moves around and that's the plan.

SSD for the top rig is gonna get covered and fixed later down the road, with my Titan eventually going back in with the overclocked 6900k. (hence the AIO on top) I am debating on a long-hosed AIO for the bottom build but that's out of the question for the time being.

I'll post pics eventually when it's finished.

 

[stinger608]

Don't mean to get this off topic, but @Toothless , how is your fiancé doing man?

 

[Toothless]

Don't mean to get this off topic, but @Toothless , how is your fiancé doing man?

She's been doing good! We got married a little after the post and she's prepping for the next round of chemo. Been making sure she gets all the easy stuff around the house and resting.

 

[Tomgang]

@Tomgang, having looked through this thread at your pictures, I have to wonder why your front fans are blowing air in, and then immediately being exhausted by the side fans

Surely it would be better to have the side fans blowing air IN... i get that it wont be as attractive, but it surely would improve your temps and / or fan speeds.!

You are far from the only one, pointing out that.

It's on purpose, it is like that. The side fans is controlled by the mini-itx system. Front intake fans by the atx system. So front fans are not turning when only mini-itx and then both systems are running, I can with the fan controller, turn off the side fans independently of the other fans, so they are not ruining airflow.

This was just one of many design features I had to take in to account when designing and building this pc. But there are fully taken care of that. Do don't worry.

 

[Tomgang]

Well here it is. RTX A2000, now that RTX 3050 dit not come in a mini-itx version. I will have to settle with this. Well besides pricing, it´s not so bad. Now i will also have have the benefit from nvidia quadro exclusive fetures. So this will make my mini-itx system a desnt workstation now also. i will not post image with card in the system, That will have to wait when or if i also get a RTX 4080.

Don´t mind the mouse. It´s just there for size comparison.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Well here it is. RTX A2000, now that RTX 3050 dit not come in a mini-itx version. I will have to settle with this. Well besides pricing, it´s not so bad. Now i will also have have the benefit from nvidia quadro exclusive fetures. So this will make my mini-itx system a desnt workstation now also. i will not post image with card in the system, That will have to wait when or if i also get a RTX 4080.

Don´t mind the mouse. It´s just there for size comparison.

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Definitely a cute little card. Hopefully with the gpu crash it didn't hurt the wallet too much.

 

[Tomgang]

Definitely a cute little card. Hopefully with the gpu crash it didn't hurt the wallet too much.

It did hurt a little bit. A2000 is not a cheap card compared to its performance, but there are litterly not any options out there. There rx 6400 but that is not worth replacing gtx 1650 for thst and all low profile low power cards besides a2000 only has 4 gb vram or less. At least I got it to the msrp price of 450 USD. so not cheap, but at least not scalper price.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

It did hurt a little bit. A2000 is not a cheap, but at least I got it to the msrp price at 450 USD. so not cheap, but at least not scalper price.

Isn't it similar to a 3060? Consider your need for SFF doesn't sound too bad and a massive improvement on that 1650 I'm sure.

We are probably a year out from any nextgen sff options anyway if there even is any. Nvidia is relaunching a 3060 it seems as it is smh.

 

[Tomgang]

Isn't it similar to a 3060? Consider your need for SFF doesn't sound too bad and a massive improvement on that 1650 I'm sure.

Performance is some ware between rtx 3050 and 3060.i guess in a gaming card renaming, we could call it a rtx 3050 ti.

Yes definitely at good performance boost over 1650. Specially because my 1650 is the slowest of the 1650 with only gddr5 vram.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Performance is some ware between rtx 3050 and 3060.i guess in a gaming card renaming, we could call it a rtx 3050 ti.

I have a really low wattage 3050ti in my laptop honestly it isn't bad at all for 1080p gaming especially with DLSS.

 

[Tomgang]

I have a really low wattage 3050ti in my laptop honestly it isn't bad at all for 1080p gaming especially with DLSS.

I guess a RTX 3050 TI desktop varint then for A2000. And no with DLSS it will prolonge the lifespan of my A2000. GTX 1650 dosent support DLSS and only has 4 GB vram. That only make 1650 upsolete this much faster. So all in all, despite the high price. I think A2000 is still a good buy and will last me longer than 1650. With more vram and DLSS support + the benefit a professional features this card has, that normal rtx card dosent have, gives me as well. Also with electricity prices we have in europe where i live, the low 70 watt rating is also a nice benefit for my electricity bill.

 

[Shou Miko]

It did hurt a little bit. A2000 is not a cheap card compared to its performance, but there are litterly not any options out there. There rx 6400 but that is not worth replacing gtx 1650 for thst and all low profile low power cards besides a2000 only has 4 gb vram or less. At least I got it to the msrp price of 450 USD. so not cheap, but at least not scalper price.

For about 100USD more you could have gotten the 6GB variant from ProShop and it's even in stock: https://www.proshop.dk/Grafikkort/PNY-NVIDIA-RTX-A2000-Black-6GB-GDDR6-RAM-Grafikkort/2994355

But it's really sad to see no one has remade RX 6700 series or RTX 3050/60 as a ITX card this time around.

 

[Tomgang]

For about 100USD more you could have gotten the 6GB variant from ProShop and it's even in stock: https://www.proshop.dk/Grafikkort/PNY-NVIDIA-RTX-A2000-Black-6GB-GDDR6-RAM-Grafikkort/2994355

But it's really sad to see no one has remade RX 6700 series or RTX 3050/60 as a ITX card this time around.

Hahaha funny you mention Proshop. Cause that's exactly where I got it from. Just this one in stead as it is a bit cheaper.

Lenovo RTX A2000 - 6GB GDDR6 RAM - Grafikkort | Billig

5.358,00 kr. Grafikkort, RTX A2000, 6 GB GDDR6, PCIe 4.0 x16, 4 x Mini DisplayPort, OEM, brun kasse, for ThinkCentre M75t Gen 2; ThinkStation P350; P520; P620; P720; P920.

www.proshop.dk

 

[Toothless]

Is it a little messy? Yes.

Is that white electrical tape since I don't have a fan L bracket? Yes, and it's very secure.

Am I happy with the outcome? Definitely.

 

[Tomgang]

Just a little teaser for what comes next...
However this also means, Zen 4 upgrade is not going to happen. Only GPU and a HDD upgrade and then i will run with this config for alt least the next 2-3 years.

 

[Tomgang]

So here it is. My final upgrade and form for this pc the coming 2-3 years. There will not be spend more on this pc for a good while now. Only a Zen 4 or intel meteor lake CPU could have made this pc even better. But as stated before, i chose to stay on Zen 3 because of economic reasons, but also because zen 3 is a cpu platform that is easy to air cool. Intel alder/metoer lake and Zen 4 is aircoolings nightmare so far i have seen do to heat and power consumption and i will be staying on aircooling. That was always the goal for this machine. So while i desided to stay on Zen 3. I am going all out on GPU this time around as i got cheated with ampere not getting the card i really wanted and the GPU apocalypse. So yes, this time i got the GPU i wanted and then some.

So what has happened.
I upgraded storage with a new WD RED PRO 16 TB HD and a older 8 TB HDD i had laying around. So the buttom two drives is for the mini-itx system and the 2 drives above it, is for atx-system. I added another on/off switch controller (each controller can maximum have 4 sat drives connected at a time and there are now 5 sata drives) so i can turn all sata HDD/SSD on or off when not in use or needed.
As all ready known, i upgraded mini-itx little GTX 1650 to a sweet little RTX A2000 GPU. I nice upgrade for sure.
For atx-system i upgrade GPU from EVGA RTX 3080 FTW 3 ULTRA GAMING 10 GB to a ASUS RTX 4090 TUF OC 24 GB. Now thats a proper GPU upgrade
And staying on Zen 3 for bofh system.

So here are some image of it all and yes that 4090 is a big and fat boi.

Here is before and after upgrade and some more details. That new PCIe gen 5 connector to GPU is an eyesore. I will try to find a better solution for this in time.