TPU's Nostalgic Hardware Club

[lexluthermiester]

Just bought a X5650 for my 2nd PC

Gonna run it stock or do you plan to OC it?

 

[Ruru]

Gonna run it stock or do you plan to OC it?

I'd call it illegal to run that chip under 4GHz

 

[QuietBob]

I'd call it illegal to run that chip under 4GHz

Let us know how it goes. And run some benchmarks while you're at it.

 

[DR4G00N]

Just bought a X5650 for my 2nd PC

Price/perf for those is crazy assuming you've got a board lying around already. Think I paid around $100 years ago for mine, now they're around $10-15.

 

[Ruru]

Let us know how it goes. And run some benchmarks while you're at it.

Oh hell yeah! Here's FireStrike and TimeSpy with i7 920 @ 3.8, I'll run those with the Xeon next week

Result not found

www.3dmark.com

I scored 2 507 in Time Spy

Intel Core i7-920 Processor, AMD Radeon HD 7970 x 1, 8192 MB, 64-bit Windows 10}

www.3dmark.com

Price/perf for those is crazy assuming you've got a board lying around already. Think I paid around $100 years ago for mine, now they're around $10-15.

Yeah I got a Rampage III Extreme which I got for free from another Finnish retro hobbyist he said that this has some bent pins and two memory slots aren't working, haven't tried to inspect those yet.

 

[QuietBob]

So, can you game on the weakest DX9 integrated graphics? Setting up the Radeon Xpress 200 was a bit more difficult, because AMD doesn't provide Win7 drivers for it. And the IGP wasn't detected upon installation, meaning no out of the box support. Windows Update downloaded an old Catalyst 8.6 driver from 2008, but I decided to try the latest 2010 Vista driver instead. It worked!

Both IGPs are thus utilizing their most recent drivers. The GF6100 is using the WHQL ForceWare 309.08 Win7 driver from 2015, and the RX200 - the Beta Catalyst 10.2 Vista driver from 2010. Driver settings were optimized for maximum performance.

In hardware, the GF6100 is based on the 6200 TurboCache (NV44) GPU that debuted in 2004. It has 2 ROPs, 2 TMUs, 2 Pixel Shaders and 1 Vertex Shader running at 425 MHz. The RX200 derives from the X300 (RV370) chip that was also launched in 2004 (essentially a Radeon 9550 (RV350) with a PCIe interface). It has 2 ROPs, 2 TMUs, 2 Pixel Shaders and 2 Vertex Shaders running at 300 MHz. Memory-wise, both IGPs are using 128 MB of shared DDR1 memory at 400 MHz, granting 3.2 GB/s theoretical bandwidth.

As a reminder, the GF6100 is paired with a 1.4 GHz Sempron 2500+, and the RX200 with a 2.53 GHz Celeron D 326. I benchmarked at 1024x768 to shift the stress away from the CPU.

And now, ladies and gentlemen, the moment you've all been waiting for:

The 1998 benchmark runs smoothly on both IGPs. I couldn't disable Vsync for the ATI chip, so the maximum frame rate was limited to 60 on both.

Here's the 2003 sequel:

The GF is now pulling ahead by more than a half, but even at minimum detail it cannot maintain 30 fps.

Next, AquaMark 2:

The difference is clear in this 2001 benchmark, with the GF again scoring at least 50% higher.

And the sequel from 2003:

Here the two systems are more evenly matched, while the processors are starved for GPU power, as evidenced by the bottleneck.

On to CodeCreatures:

Both systems are struggling to run this graphically demanding test from 2002. The GF is still ahead, although CodeCreatures was optimized for Nvidia hardware.

Let's look at DroneZmarK, a visually stunning benchmark released in 2001:


This demo was specifically meant to showcase the graphic capabilities of the GF3. In the above run the settings were equalized on both systems for a fairer comparison. DroneZmarK is also optimized for the Pentium 4 architecture and perhaps this is why the Intel rig put up a good fight here.

I'm going to present the 3DMark results without a comment, so that everybody can compare their results and draw their own conclusions:






Since benchmarks don't translate directly to real game performance, I'm planning to run some on both platforms for more insight

 

[Ruru]

And R9550 is just an underclocked 9600

edit: I have one myself (Club3D 256MB version), overclocks over 9600 clocks, not to Pro levels tho. I like that card

 

[F-Zero]

@QuietBob Really appreciate what your doing Quiet ! Thanks !

 

[Robert B]

Fresh additions.

YAMAHA CDRW IDE - CRW8824E - interesting ODD with a little fan in the back. It will be a treat to restore it. I expect to find marvelous mechanics inside.
Intel 386 25MHz CPU - A80386DX-25 IV SX218
AMD 386 40MHz CPU - Am386DX/DXL-40 C 220HRYF
AMD K6 200MHz - AMD-K6-200ALR
Matrox G550 G55+MDHA32DB - AGP 8x 32MB
Matrox Millennium II PCI - MGA MIL/2I
Albatron Geforce FX5600P
Intel Celeron Slot 1 300A/66 - SL32A - MALAY aka THE LEGEND!
Intel Celeron Slot 1 300/66 - SL2YP
AMD Athlon 500MHz Slot A K7500MTR51B C
Curious looking DDR 1? stick with a Thermaltake LED strip and a silver chromed shroud, plus a bracket with a switch. - I'm quite curious to test this puppy out. By the looks of it it wasn't daisy chained with another module and I only found one stick at the vendor. L.E. - Thermaltake TrueLight CL-C0001 memory heatspreader
TWO tape reels for really old computers. I bought these on a whim as I never ever saw one in the flesh. One is a MEMOREX and the other is from HP3000 System CM STORE FORMAT MPE/IX 4.0 Release P/N 30126-10337 6250CPI 2400ft REORDER 92150 F. Combined I think that I have about 1.5km of tape.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Intel Celeron Slot 1 300A/66 - SL32A - MALAY aka THE LEGEND!
Intel Celeron Slot 1 300/66 - SL2YP

Golden find there! Both of them! The 300a was a legend sure, but the 300 was just as overclockable and even without the L2 cache it still performed very well!

 

[Ruru]

Did I post this one before?

@Robert B love that FX 5600

 

[QuietBob]

Fresh additions.

YAMAHA CDRW IDE - CRW8824E - interesting ODD with a little fan in the back. It will be a treat to restore it. I expect to find marvelous mechanics inside.
Intel 386 25MHz CPU - A80386DX-25 IV SX218
AMD 386 40MHz CPU - Am386DX/DXL-40 C 220HRYF
AMD K6 200MHz - AMD-K6-200ALR
Matrox G550 G55+MDHA32DB - AGP 8x 32MB
Matrox Millennium II PCI - MGA MIL/2I
Albatron Geforce FX5600P
Intel Celeron Slot 1 300A/66 - SL32A - MALAY aka THE LEGEND!
Intel Celeron Slot 1 300/66 - SL2YP
AMD Athlon 500MHz Slot A K7500MTR51B C
Curious looking DDR 1? stick with a Thermaltake LED strip and a silver chromed shroud, plus a bracket with a switch. - I'm quite curious to test this puppy out. By the looks of it it wasn't daisy chained with another module and I only found one stick at the vendor. L.E. - Thermaltake TrueLight CL-C0001 memory heatspreader
TWO tape reels for really old computers. I bought these on a whim as I never ever saw one in the flesh. One is a MEMOREX and the other is from HP3000 System CM STORE FORMAT MPE/IX 4.0 Release P/N 30126-10337 6250CPI 2400ft REORDER 92150 F. Combined I think that I have about 1.5km of tape.

Good loot! The Am386DX-40 was in my first PC. I also have fond memories of the Mendocino 300A.

Did I post this one before?

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@Robert B love that FX 5600

Not bad! Nearly as fast as my Celeron D

 

[MaxiPro800]

Let the flames commence!

One of the most well known heaters in the world, an AMD based HP Pavilion dv5, model no. dv5-1026eo. Originally had a Turion RM-70, got replaced with a Turion Ultra ZM-82 just for laughs. I don't even want to know how bad the ZM-84, 87 and even 88 are thermally-wise.

Specs:
- 15.4 1280x800 CCFL AUOptronics B154EW08 LCD
- 2x2GB Samsung PC2-6400/DDR2-800
- TSSTCorp TS-L633L Lightscribe DVDRW
- Hitachi 5K500 B-250 250GB HDD
- AMD RS880(?) chipset
- Atheros AR5BXB92 300Mbps WiFi card (upgraded from 5BXB63)
- Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 x64

 

[F-Zero]

Hey guys.
So I decided I wanted to build a socket 370 pc and just today my postwoman delivered this Asus TUSL2-C with 2x256 Mb SDR 133 Mhz, Intel Celeron 1200Mhz/256/100, I/O shield, cables and a cpu cooler.

I'm not planning to use the Celeron as I got a Tualatin 1.4 Ghz on the way ( hope it arrives this week ! )

This is with everything laid out

My main problem is that I don't have any IDE hard disks and I'm waiting for a Pata IDE to Sata Hard Drive Adapter. I hope to use the SSD if the motherboard detects it, not sure. If not I have a classic hard drive SATA from wester digital. Another problem is I don't have any cases left and I really want something from the year 2000/2001.
In the end it should have these parts:

Intel Pentium 3 1.4Ghz 512kb/133FSB Tualatin
Asus TUSL2-C
512 Mb 133 Mhz SDR
Asus Geforce 3 200/460 Mhz
Crucial BX240 SSD
Creative X-Fi XtremeGamer
Floppy disk drive
and some case

 

[stef]

It'll be great system.
Regarding SSD, take a look at Promise FastTrack S150 controllers.

 

[MaxiPro800]

A freebie I got today. SL4SH, Socket 423.

The only true Socket 423 chip I have. The other is a 478 to 423 adapter.

 

[QuietBob]

Let the flames commence!
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One of the most well known heaters in the world, an AMD based HP Pavilion dv5, model no. dv5-1026eo. Originally had a Turion RM-70, got replaced with a Turion Ultra ZM-82 just for laughs. I don't even want to know how bad the ZM-84, 87 and even 88 are thermally-wise.

Specs:
- 15.4 1280x800 CCFL AUOptronics B154EW08 LCD
- 2x2GB Samsung PC2-6400/DDR2-800
- TSSTCorp TS-L633L Lightscribe DVDRW
- Hitachi 5K500 B-250 250GB HDD
- AMD RS880(?) chipset
- Atheros AR5BXB92 300Mbps WiFi card (upgraded from 5BXB63)
- Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 x64

I have a nearly identical one! Mine's a Compaq Presario CQ60-100EM, upgraded with a ZM-85, 2x 2 GB DDR2-800 and a BX500 240 GB. Originally it was the entry model with a Sempron SI-40, 1x 512 MB DDR2-666 and a 120 GB HDD

@Jill Valentine
One of my HD7970s is a DirectCU II and the other one DirectCU II Top. The Top uses custom air cooling and overclocks higher, the regular one has a stock HSF.

 

[MaxiPro800]

I have a nearly identical one! Mine's a Compaq Presario CQ60-100EM, upgraded with a ZM-85, 2x 2 GB DDR2-800 and a BX500 240 GB. Originally it was the entry model with a Sempron SI-40, 1x 512 MB DDR2-666 and a 120 GB HDD

The CQ60 and 61s are the two models I am literally avoiding at all costs.
I had to work on one of these a year or two ago, and on the same S1G2 platform as my DV5, except the chipset was nVidia instead of ATi.

The best I can say is that whoever came up with designing the plastics and disassembly on those two CQ series literally hired a bunch of monkeys. It was horribly painful, at least for me, to open it up enough to replace its CPU (the one I worked on had an Athlon as opposed to a Sempron) and piece it back. The original DV5 and DV7s literally open A LOT easier. (on the same note, I also avoid any Turion based DV7s. In their case it's not the plastic design that's the issue. It's the motherboards being horribly fragile compared to their Intel + nVidia counterparts.)

 

[Mr.Scott]

Hey guys.
So I decided I wanted to build a socket 370 pc and just today my postwoman delivered this Asus TUSL2-C with 2x256 Mb SDR 133 Mhz, Intel Celeron 1200Mhz/256/100, I/O shield, cables and a cpu cooler.

I'm not planning to use the Celeron as I got a Tualatin 1.4 Ghz on the way ( hope it arrives this week ! )


My main problem is that I don't have any IDE hard disks and I'm waiting for a Pata IDE to Sata Hard Drive Adapter. I hope to use the SSD if the motherboard detects it, not sure. If not I have a classic hard drive SATA from wester digital. Another problem is I don't have any cases left and I really want something from the year 2000/2001.
In the end it should have these parts:

Intel Pentium 3 1.4Ghz 512kb/133FSB Tualatin
Asus TUSL2-C
512 Mb 133 Mhz SDR
Asus Geforce 3 200/460 Mhz
Crucial BX240 SSD
Creative X-Fi XtremeGamer
Floppy disk drive
and some case

It will detect SSD just fine. I bench mine on a SSD.
Make sure you use the good X-86 secret bios.

 

[F-Zero]

 

[Bungz]

Oooh

Not had one of these before.

Picked up a few bits lately but supposed to be moving so don't have much time to play

New house is far bigger tho so lots more room to store old stuff

 

[MaxiPro800]

Do I spy a A7V8X-X or A7V600 in there?

 

[Bungz]

A7V600-X

Top bearding there

Funny as it would support the bog standard 200mhz FSB 3200+ Barton rather than the odd bod 166 version.

 

[Audioave10]

A question for you Serious Retro guys. My PC world starts at about 2002. I've never used DOS or played DOS games. (yes, I am ashamed)
These are dated from 1981 to 1992...did you play any of these games?

 

[F-Zero]

Received today, PATA/SATA converter so I could finally test everything. Works perfect and installed Windows Xp ! Now just waiting for the case.