TPU's Nostalgic Hardware Club

[Doc41]

All supported CPUs i looked for on ebay were expensive for me (atleast 40$ for Athlon 64x2 4400+\ 100$ for FX 60) but i did find an Athlon 64x2 3800+ for 19$ which i might buy..
and i'll be messing around with what i got after lunch, will post CPUZ shots later

 

[ThE_MaD_ShOt]

Love my s939 rig also.

 

[Bones]

yeah... but instead of buying a 1800mhz and praying for a 3ghz clock ... why not take directly a 185 have a 800mhz bost in the direction of the 3ghz ... and if a 165 OC a 185 should do it too (if basing on a iirc then : anything's possible xD)
and since they have the same TDP then the 185 is a plus value (if you find around 2€ on ebay no matter wich one you take ) plus the 185 is faster in single task (mostly due to the 800mhz bump i reckon )

Mini Review
AMD Opteron 165 advantages

• None

AMD Opteron 185 advantages

• The CPU performs 40% better when running single-threaded tasks.
• Multi-threaded performance of this microprocessor is higher.
• Memory performance of the processor is better.

165 vs 185 power consumption comparison
Thermal Design Power

110W

110W

Most of the time this was true BUT the higher binner Optys had a tendency to run hotter thanks to their higher stock clockspeed if ran that way.
For OC'ing the higher models were preferred since with the 165's max multi of 9X, you'd need a board capable of some high bus speeds to see it's real potential. If the board you had wasn't capable of that, the chip would never be able to run at the max speed it would be capable of reaching. I have three of these dual core Opty's myself (165,175,180) and they've been great with all three topping 3.2GHz no prob. I also have a pair of Opty 146 single core chips too I can run whenever I want.

Personally I'd suggest at least a 170 or higher binned model to help offset problems with a deficient board if you want to OC but as long as the board you have can hit some high bus speeds, the 165 itself is great and it's the cheapest to get - That was it's greatest appeal back then from a $$ perspective and why so many had them.
Anything from an Opty 175 and up, you're gonna pay for it nowadays.

 

[GreiverBlade]

well for Doc41 yes

for me as i use MP board : no settings for it i run 2 250 i intend to get either a new board with 2 270 or fetch some 280 and try it with the K8D and the lastest bios in date ... tho that setup feel sluggish ... i suspect the board to have some issues, even the Athlon XP rig feel snappier... oh right the XP has a Radeon X1950GT 512 ... but 768mb instead of 4gb, also i re put together the HP compaq DC7700p i finally found where the problem was: the embedded graphic from intel go south when you install the drivers and make the whole setup unstable ... so for the moment i put the FX 5200 PCI 128 and i will seek a little LP PciE X16 gpu for later

 

[stinger608]

@ThE_MaD_ShOt: That did turn out to be such an awesome looking system bro!!!!!

 

[ThE_MaD_ShOt]

I mounted the hard drive now. it is a pretty sweet rig. I also have you to thank for the sweet ass board and gpu's.

 

[Ruru]

I had a crappy Opteron 144 (CABNE 0540) what didn't oc even 2.6GHz fully stable

 

[ThE_MaD_ShOt]

I haven't tried to oc mine yet. It is under water so i have no ideal whats stopping me. LOL

 

[Backfire]

A few days ago I've beheaded another 1€ A64 3700+ San Diego. Chip & cache were fine, but the package looked not very well. A few scars here & there .

But as you can see, it's working fine at 3,1GHz @ full CPU load.

Northbridge temps are fine, too.

 

[Doc41]

Round 1 (last round?)
I got it fully stable 2GHz @ stock voltage (1.4v) but when i tried to get to 2.2GHz i got a BSOD, and actually kept getting them even when i went back to default values
i didn't get a chance to increase voltage afterwards, and after a few tries it wouldn't even start (beeps indicating no RAM?)

soooooo...... something went fubar or i killed it

 

[Backfire]

Ok, I've got some pictures for you. Different pics of several systems I built over the last 2 1/2 years. Some are still running, some are not ready yet, but most of them are disassembled because its no fun climbing over 15 pc-cases just to get to the toilet . All parts are lying safe & dry in boxes in my "spare-parts-room". Just a few cases went over the silicium-bridge for I need sheet-metal for a soldering-project.

First is my 486 where work is still in progress. It has been running for a while, but I need better hardware. So I'd say, status: waiting.

The motherboard is just a VLB-board, and when I start working on this system again, I'vo got to get a better board, a better graphics adapter and I'm thinking of building this systems as a SCSI-sys. So I will have to look for HDD's, too.

Next pics are some socket 7- boards. The well known Asus P55T2P4, the TX97-E and a FIC PA-2005.

At the moment, there is no socket 7- system running. All are disassembled and put away to sleep .
In my next posting I've got some pics of Super Socket 7- systems. See you over there ...

 

[Backfire]

So now from baby AT to ATX! I like the SS7 because the systems look a little bit more "grown up" than the AT babies. It's the same with cars. If you got a car from 1930 it's sure a cool oldtimer, but the fun begins let me say at around 1960. They're still old, but there is something more, they look exciting (I have had an old car, an 1968 Opel Commodore Coupe) >

and there is enough power for a little fun (and if its broken you can fix it by yourself). Same with the Super Socket 7: hey, a P5A, GA-5Ax or a MVP3G2/5 with an 600MHz K6-III+, Voodoo 2 SLI and a nice copper-cooler is, for someone who likes hardware, sure a nice look. It has a little power for a game or two, and when its broken it is easy to fix .
So here are some SS7- Systems:

My first retro-system i've built was an Asus P5A rev.1.04 with an AMD K6-III+ 400ATz @600MHz, Voodoo SLI and a TerraTec soundsystem.

As I always liked Epox, these boards where a "must" for me (it took me 2 years to get my hands on a MVP3G5. In 2 Years, there where 2 on ebay and I lost both auctions at around 70Euros. At last I got one from a guy from the german AMD-board "P3D". 65€ wasn't really cheap, but these things are rare (at least in Germany).

Epox EP-MVP3G-M>

Epox EP-MVP3G2>

and, "my precious", the EP-MVP3G5>

For the MVP3G5- system I took the best parts I could imagine. My decision for the cooler was not easy, because nearly none of the fine coolers fits on the board. Originally I wanted to install an Akasa Silver Mountain II, but it didn't fit. At that time I didn't had a Silver Mountain I, now I got one and that gives me an idea ... . I've got to look if the little Silver Mountain fits (hehe).
At least I took the, in Germany very rare, Kanie Hedgehog 238M. A very fine cooler, too (but it misses the "bling bling- factor of silver ).

As for the RAM the system got 3 doublesided Infineon PC133, CL2 modules with each 256MB.

If you want to use 256MB modules on a MVP3- board, they have to be doublesided with 8 chips on each side.

In my next posting I'm staying with the SS7 and I will post pictures of my tryouts with water and Peltier-cooling.

 

[Backfire]

A few weeks ago I bought a cheap NMC- 5VMX motherboard at the bay. This one is identical to the Epox EP-MVP3G2 which is a very fine SS7- board with the VIA MVP3 chipset.

After some not really successful experiments with socket A systems and peltier/- air- cooling I was curious about the effects of a tec1-12715 (about 110W true pumping-power) on a watercooled SS7- system.
I also own a 3dfx Voodoo 3 3000 with 5,5ns RAM and wanted to test its overclocking capabilities under water. I thought it might be quite successful because this card is getting really hot, but I got it with a slightly modified air-cooling up to 200MHz.

And, last but not least, I thought maybe I could get some more out of an AMD K6-III+ than the popular 600MHz.
First & short, I failed. But ...
lets start from the beginning. First I had to mount the watercooler on the board.

No problem, but wrong board. With a max. fsb of 112MHz the VIA-based NMC was not the board I needed. After some googleing and reading I found out, the Gigabyte GA-5AX could go, with some luck, up to 140MHz.
One year or so ago I had built a system with a GA-5AX ...

..and, as boards have no legs, it was still there where I put it a year ago.
After some cosmetic surgery the board looked ready for the warpath.

The watercooler fit quite well, but I had to make room for the Peltier. With 2 little pieces of sheet-metal I made 2 modified mounting clamps ...

and everything went fine. But, problems ... . First, if I would try to cool the CPU directly with the Pelt, the Voodoo card would get no cooling water, but hot sauce. Bad idea. So I had to get the graphics- adapter out of the circuit. Bye bye Voodoo.
Second problem, the radiators. If the water-temperature should go under environment- temperature, the radiators will warm up the water. Solution would be a bypass to cut the radiators off from the circuit. All I needed was some tube and some connctors ... all I needed was some money .
So, everything was a wild-goose chase (got this from the dictionary ), and I'll try again when I'm rich.

Next posting will be about sunrise in dark pc-cases ...

so long ...

 

[Bones]

Nice stuff!
Recently worked with my Socket 7 based Premio 219-H board and had a blast fooling with it. I was running into some issues with one or two of those still unresolved ATM but nothing I can't overcome if I put the effort into working around them. I will get it like I want one day.

 

[Backfire]

Last year I did some AGP graphics-adapter benchmarks. The results can be found there > http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f204/benchmarking-aelterer-grafikkarten-967067.html
Its a german board, but the benchmark results are in english anyway.

 

[GreiverBlade]

from the 1st look i thought about a 3D Prophet 4000XT but it seems not, judging by the second photo of her, you have a 4000XT i see her on the 19th place in the last pics you posted, since it use the same design it is also a Kyro chip right?

 

[Backfire]

The slot A-system is one of the few that was built to stay.
Classic Chieftec CS-601 case. Much room for components, heavy, solid. After many years in use the case needed new paint.

The motherboard is an Asus K7M which I've chosen because of the AMD- chipset. The slot A Pluto/Orion has got 1.0GHz and is cooled by a Titan Majesty IV aka golden orb.
The "frontend" graphics- adapter is a ATI Rage Fury MAXX which is followed by 2 Creative CT6670 Voodoo 2 12MB accelerator cards.
For the sound it has got a TerraTec Soundsystem EWS64 XL with frontpanel.

I'm really tired now, more pics in a few days.

cu

 

[GreiverBlade]

let say it is a boring day ... 4hrs 25min before going to the job so ... killing time :

a good in between till i get a LP PciE X16 gpu (the intel onboard graphic is seemingly fubar) added 4gb XMS2 and will probably seek a E6400 to replace the E6300 it has atm (unless that board support higher model than the E6400)


let say ... mmhhh .... oh well Kotor 2 i guess


@Backfire infineon?


family pic


so to resume : i need a X16 LP GPU a C2D E6400 or above (will need to do research on those crappy SFF HP... still i like the out look of that pc ... )for the DC7700P, new board or board+cpu for the Compucase S4UT6, thinking about Swaping the PSU in the Nemesis ... getting 8gb DDR2 for the NSK3480 (since the 4gb are in the HP SFF)

oh well thinking and tinkering make the days less boring

 

[stinger608]

Wow Backfire, you have a hell of a collection man!!!

 

[Backfire]

from the 1st look i thought about a 3D Prophet 4000XT but it seems not, judging by the second photo of her, you have a 4000XT i see her on the 19th place in the last pics you posted, since it use the same design it is also a Kyro chip right?

Yes, you are right. It's a Kyro .

 

[Random Murderer]

@Backfire infineon?
View attachment 55535 View attachment 55534

Beat me to it. Was going to post up a few sticks of RAM tonight after Uni. I have some Infineon, some Micron, and some Nanya that I found the other night. Remember Nanya?

 

[GreiverBlade]

reporting :

playing KOTOR 2 on a underclocked modern rig with vsync : worthless
Playing KOTOR 2 on a XP retrorig without vsync: Priceless



the X1650 pro 256 i had was beasty but the X1950GT 512 is .... godlike

Beat me to it. Was going to post up a few sticks of RAM tonight after Uni. I have some Infineon, some Micron, and some Nanya that I found the other night. Remember Nanya?

i have some Nanya DDR1 400 128mb one Elixir PC2 4200 256mb Veritech DDR1 333 512mb and a pair of PMI DDR1 400 256md aside

actual setup of the xp rig (micron ram 512mb x1 + one 256mb not fully recognized... my other 512mb DDR1 doesn't work so i stay with 768 @ 400(406 in fact)


the one i have
http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/b2107/xpertvision-x1950-gt-super-agp.html
but in 512mb version

the one i had
http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/959/radeon-x1650-agp.html

HIS X1650 Pro IceQ 256mb DDR2 128bit no kidding the X1950GT 512mb GDDR3 256bit is better xD

good news a C2D E6700 would be compatible with the DC7700 have to check different site (Ricardo/Ebay ie) bufufuuu ... upgrading old hardware is ... fun ... i guess

 

[Ruru]

Cool stuff there dudes!

Damn, my girlfriend's Nokia 808 Pureview's camera stopped working, so I can't take photos, but I got some GREAT stuff from my good friend!

Athlon 64 X2 5000+ AM2
Athlon 64 3000+ S754
P4 530 HT LGA775
P4 2.66GHz S478
P4 2.4GHz S478
aaaaaand a PIII 866 S370 for my retro rig!!

Also a GF6200SE PCI-E, Radeon 9200 (for the retro rig of course) and an unidentified AGP card. Gonna find out what that is...

Also a LOT of 128-512MB DDR1 sticks and couple of DDR2 256MB sticks + 1GB DDR2-667 stick
Some fan's, old Hard drives and boxed coolers too, couple of ethernet cards etc

edit: Looks that some of the CPU's have bent pins so I have to straighten them

edit2: Looks like that the unidentified card is a TNT2 Pro OEM

 

[ThE_MaD_ShOt]

The slot A-system is one of the few that was built to stay.
Classic Chieftec CS-601 case. Much room for components, heavy, solid. After many years in use the case needed new paint.

View attachment 55526View attachment 55527

The motherboard is an Asus K7M which I've chosen because of the AMD- chipset. The slot A Pluto/Orion has got 1.0GHz and is cooled by a Titan Majesty IV aka golden orb.
The "frontend" graphics- adapter is a ATI Rage Fury MAXX which is followed by 2 Creative CT6670 Voodoo 2 12MB accelerator cards.
For the sound it has got a TerraTec Soundsystem EWS64 XL with frontpanel.

View attachment 55528

View attachment 55529

View attachment 55530

I'm really tired now, more pics in a few days.

cu

Nice slot A rig. Mine is pictured a page or 2 back. I used the mighty MSi 6167 board. I also used a Ati Rage Fury Pro, and a Aureal Vortex 2 soundcard. Aureal was the bomb back then.


I guess I need to build a Socket A rig now. Now do I use the Nforce 2 board or do I go with my old favorite , the KT7A? I will have 6 generations of running Amd rigs.

 

[JunkBear]

What it worth à 5000+ ? I need upgrade and will look in eBay.