TPU's Nostalgic Hardware Club

[Radical Vision]

That's your opinion....


Nice machines!

I owned a Corsair 600TM Black and Carbide Air 540.
I still have the Carbide Air 500R White, building a Truenas Scale system with it. Did mount a 4 bay swappable HDD rack in the front.

And as well as IBM one of the biggest corporations, that need no describe... They are also responsible for the 101 keyboard design of the Model M, that was set as standard for keyboards ever since... Or maybe u will call the Model M layout also bad. Guess the joke is on u now with that emote......

 

[lexluthermiester]

You might be nostalgic if you remember these...still have a few brand new in the box

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8 inch floppy drive! Do you have matching discs?

 

[Radical Vision]

Multiple AthlonXP-Ms, and OC potential...

These 2 are the kings, platinum CPU able to achieve 2.7GHz stable speed tested under OS, games and Prime 95... The golden/ yellow one is my favorite in the NF7 system ofc... The green is backup one...





These were bad, could not get even 2.5GHz stable, specially the 3000+ XP-M was very bad could not boot even at 2.4GHz i think, dont remember but i were very very disappointed form it.. That 2800+ was also nothing special, i think it did get 2.4GHz, but unstable at 2.5GHz...










Honorable mentions. This one was my main i used in the machine, it is able to get 2.6GHz, but after some time it did degrade, or was not 100% stable, so i did replace it, as better to have platinum chip that can run 2.7GHz, at 2.6GHz instead of this at 2.5GHz... I heard that the 2400+ XP-Ms were the best of the best, but so far could not see one locally...

 

[MaxiPro800]

I have a 2400 mobile. Worst performer, a 2600 mobile I have beats it to a pulp over 4 different nF2 mainboards. (NF7-S v2.0, SL-75FRN2-RL, K7N2 Delta-ILSR, EP-8RDA6+)

No, it does not go above stock speeds - anything higher than its stock speed and it just stops POST-ing (no beeps). 2600 went as high as 2.8 with a modified cooler although I've since backed out to 2.3 to prevent core degradation.

 

[Radical Vision]

2.8GHz insane..... Would like to get one... Tho i dont overtest the ones i have, i mean i dont go much above 2mV, as the cpus wont like that voltage for much... I heard 1.85mV is fine for AXP, so i try to stick to this voltage... How much voltage did that 2600+ need for 2.8GHz i wonder, like 2.1mV or 2.2mV maybe... The golden 2600+ i have can get 2.7GHz at 2.03mV, and the worse one, get stable 2.6GHz at 2mV, and stable 2.7GHz at 2.14mV i think it was...

I use the golden 2600+ at 2.6GHz on 1.83mV that is more then safe i think, the cooler is TT Sonic Tower overkill for that CPU even at that speed, i dont think it will degrade over time, since voltage is not above 1.85mV, and the cooling is overkill... Also seems the IQY stepping, are the best, at least the ones i have, all of them with this are supreme at OC, the AQY are not as good...

 

[MaxiPro800]

IIRC it was 2.3-2.4 I got it stable at. Crazy af but I had to modify a TT Silent Boost K8 cooler to work on Socket A (had access to a friend who managed to CNC cut its bottom to fit Socket A). In theory it would probably survive but 2.4 is definitely way too high for my liking so I settled for the 2.3 I usually do on both mobile and standard at stock voltages.

The 2400 didn't even budge above stock no matter how high I'd feed it. Strange because it has the same letters as my 2600M - FQQ4C. I'd assume they were made depending on who was the MFR, and given the 2400 came out of a ECS (Gericom Blockbuster) while the 2600 was from a NEC, it doesn't surprise me the 2400 couldn't do jack.

Then there's a 2500 converted to desktop from a mobile core - I'm not sure if this one's functional but it might help that it's sort of a "fake" chip made from a mobile part - given the mobiles' performance it might run around just as well as the 2600. (inbetween 2.6-2.8, depending on the mobo. ABIT and Soltek got to 2.8, MSI got as far as 2.6, Epox got as far as 2.7)

EDIT: Yes, the 2600 I have is IQY. The 2400 is AQX. For the other chips, two desktop 2500s I have are AQZ, and the "fake" chip claims AQX but I won't know which mobile chip it was relabeled from until I get a POST-card. Could be a IQY since it has green PCB but I'm not holding high hopes.

 

[AUTOEXEC.BAT]

And as well as IBM one of the biggest corporations, that need no describe... They are also responsible for the 101 keyboard design of the Model M, that was set as standard for keyboards ever since... Or maybe u will call the Model M layout also bad. Guess the joke is on u now with that emote......

I said it was your opinion.
In my opinion that cases u show are ugly.
I have an IBM case myself which in my case i like a lot more.
I dont talk about keyboards.
That IBM made good keyboeard doesnt mean their cases were beautiful... That counts for every manufacturer

You might be nostalgic if you remember these...still have a few brand new in the box

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I never had or used one of these.
I'm not that retro, it all started with the 51/4 360KB for me

 

[Radical Vision]

I said it was your opinion.
In my opinion that cases u show are ugly.
I have an IBM case myself which in my case i like a lot more.
I dont talk about keyboards.
That IBM made good keyboeard doesnt mean their cases were beautiful... That counts for every manufacturer

And i said it was also IBMs opinion, and the stealth cases look great, other ppl also like them.... So no is not only mine, but IBM too big corporation..









As i mentioned before, the ThinkPads i got before, were shitters, here is the proof, i forgot i had original pictures... It is clear the T60 was disgusting with all kinds of shit on it, i did total cleaning of it, tho it did not help, as the fan error was there to stay no matter i changed the fan with working one... Also there was some crap going on with the display going with that redish coloring on start for few seconds then to go with normal colors... Compared to these the current T60s i got are like brand new.... At least these shitters were nice to add original ThinkPad bag and working pwr adaptor..



I will incorporate the thermal pads with the new T60, since it makes the keyboard heatsink too, so it can help the Radeon M x1400 to get a bit colder, as i dont want it to start artifacting... I think the mem chips were expoused, and did not contact the copper cooler, so i will fix that too...

 

[AUTOEXEC.BAT]

And i said it was also IBMs opinion, and the stealth cases look great, other ppl also like them

As i said its an opinion. Enough people that also don't like them.

It doesn't mean cases are great if you, and IBM think they make the best cases... every manufacturer and fanbase will say that.

 

[Ruru]

Nice job from northwestrepair on a Gainward 7800GS+

 

[Radical Vision]

Nice job from northwestrepair on a Gainward 7800GS+

Hah i like to watch that guy repair stuff.... Someone may suggest to him, to repair more retro GPUs, maybe even motherboatds too...

 

[lexluthermiester]

Nice job from northwestrepair on a Gainward 7800GS+

What I don't get is why people insist on using 4:3 and 5:4 ratio screens for retro XP builds. Widescreen LCD's were a thing in 2006 and alot of people adopted them quickly, myself included. So why do people stick with those old screen ratios?

 

[Ruru]

What I don't get is why people insist on using 4:3 and 5:4 ratio screens for retro XP builds. Widescreen LCD's were a thing in 2006 and alot of people adopted them quickly, myself included. So why do people stick with those old screen ratios?

Agree. And if the old GPU can't push 1080p (or more), then I play at 720p. Most modern displays are ok with scaling unlike 20 years ago.

 

[AUTOEXEC.BAT]

What I don't get is why people insist on using 4:3 and 5:4 ratio screens for retro XP builds.

But Windows XP was already released in 2001. And back then you didn't have any, or maybe only a few 16:9 monitors. I used Windows XP before it was released, as a beta.
Back then I always worked with a dual monitor setup. 1 AGP video card as primary, and a 2nd, cheaper PCI video card I used for the secondary monitor.

It's all about the datestamp.... In the later years, from 2003 also PCI-E was released.

early XP --> 4:3
later/latest --> 16:9

edit:
it was 2007/2008 when i bought my first 16:9 monitor

 

[Greenslade]

Found these 2 when cleaning up the attic. Seems almost brand new/unused.

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They look it cool

 

[lexluthermiester]

Agree. And if the old GPU can't push 1080p (or more), then I play at 720p. Most modern displays are ok with scaling unlike 20 years ago.

Exactly! BITD, LCDs were commonly 1280x800, 1440x900 and 1680x1050 with early LCD TVs being the very common 1366x768.

But Windows XP was already released in 2001. And back then you didn't have any, or maybe only a few 16:9 monitors. I used Windows XP before it was released, as a beta.
Back then I always worked with a dual monitor setup. 1 AGP video card as primary, and a 2nd, cheaper PCI video card I used for the secondary monitor.

It's all about the datestamp.... In the later years, from 2003 also PCI-E was released.

early XP --> 4:3
later/latest --> 16:9

edit:
it was 2007/2008 when i bought my first 16:9 monitor

Yeah, that's understood, I was there. There were very few people that stuck with CTRs once widescreen LCDs came about. Early 4:3/5:4 LCDs were never very popular. A least in the western USA. Sure, XP was the standard OS during the transition from CRTs to LCDs, but XP spent most of its popularity in the widescreen age. I just don't get why people think 4:3/5:4 is a good choice... Hell I ran Windows ME on my first widescreen LCD for years. Worked fine and was much preferred.

 

[Ruru]

Exactly! BITD, LCDs were commonly 1280x800, 1440x900 and 1680x1050 with early LCD TVs being the very common 1366x768.

This Thinkpad I got which we talked about on the other thread, has that damned 768p resolution. OTOH this is fine for a 14" screen, not even complaining. On a bigger screen, I prefer 800p as minimum though.

edit: https://valid.x86.fr/snhnpf

 

[Bones]

2.8GHz insane..... Would like to get one... Tho i dont overtest the ones i have, i mean i dont go much above 2mV, as the cpus wont like that voltage for much... I heard 1.85mV is fine for AXP, so i try to stick to this voltage... How much voltage did that 2600+ need for 2.8GHz i wonder, like 2.1mV or 2.2mV maybe... The golden 2600+ i have can get 2.7GHz at 2.03mV, and the worse one, get stable 2.6GHz at 2mV, and stable 2.7GHz at 2.14mV i think it was...

I use the golden 2600+ at 2.6GHz on 1.83mV that is more then safe i think, the cooler is TT Sonic Tower overkill for that CPU even at that speed, i dont think it will degrade over time, since voltage is not above 1.85mV, and the cooling is overkill... Also seems the IQY stepping, are the best, at least the ones i have, all of them with this are supreme at OC, the AQY are not as good...

I've got a couple that will do that or higher.

Bones`s 2840.9 MHz score: CPU Frequency with aAthlon XP-M 2800+ (Barton)

The Athlon XP-M 2800+ (Barton) @ 2840.9MHzscores getScoreFormatted in the CPU Frequency benchmark. Bonesranks #null worldwide and #11 in the hardware class. Find out more at HWBOT.

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Bones`s 35 sec 625 ms score: SuperPi - 1M with aAthlon XP-M 3000+ (Barton)

The Athlon XP-M 3000+ (Barton) @ 2876MHzscores getScoreFormatted in the SuperPi - 1M benchmark. Bonesranks #null worldwide and #3 in the hardware class. Find out more at HWBOT.

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And of course a few dogs in the house too.

It's been awhile since I've ran my A stuff but will set something up again one day, I know I can do better with the hardware pieces I have to run them with now - Esp the 2800+.

I've even hit 2.9 with my 2500+ XP-M before so that's another one I'll need to try out but it's a flakey chip that's peculiar about what board I set it in.
Acts dead in some, works in others.

For an A, you really don't need more than 2.0v's (Or so) to get the max they'll do, anything over that is just making it run hotter. There are a few that will take more but 2.0v's is a good rule of thumb to go by when really leaning on one BUT you need really good cooling or you'll just kill the chip.

1.85v's on air is about the max I'd ever run if it's being aircooled.... And even then I'd have to think about it.

Yes, the "I" stepping chips tend to be best overall but there are a few "A" stepping chips that will fly too.