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From @Norton 's links above, it appears that the 2990WX scales perfectly. Although we don't know what the setup is that is being used, averaging 100K is 4 times what I'm getting with my 1700, running only OET. The other 2990WX listed is at ~75K, which is what I think you'd get if you allowed all projects. The 250 watt TDP sounds huge until you realize its less than 4 x 65 watts of a 1700/2700, and it's running closer to the speeds of the 2700X. Guru3D showed the power usage of a 2700X system at 200 watts while the 2990WX was at ~365 watts running CineBench. So it looks like the 2700X builds would actually use more electricity, or ~800 watts for 4 of them.





Actually, the 2700 uses 65 watts while the 2700X uses 105 watts.
OK but, I was talking about 2 2700's vs 1 1950x... ;)
 
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OK but, I was talking about 2 2700's vs 1 1950x... ;)
I would imagine the 2 x 2700's would be more efficient than a single 1950X as the former are 65w TDP and the latter 180w TDP CPUs
 

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Thanks for all the replies to that guys, much appreciated :) Very many thanks to @thebluebumblebee for his time with the spec lists, planned upgrades by any chance?? ;)

So would everyone agree to a point that a single 1950X would be a better cruncher than multiple smaller rigs with 1700/2700 etc CPUs in? :)
 
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planned upgrades by any chance??
I can neither confirm nor deny....:laugh: Unless I find a winning lottery ticket on the ground, there's no plan or idea of getting a TR system. Now my local CL has had some crazy deals, so I'm glad that I looked into this so that if something presents its self, that I could make an informed decision.
I would imagine the 2 x 2700's would be more efficient than a single 1950X as the former are 65w TDP and the latter 180w TDP CPUs
So would everyone agree to a point that a single 1950X would be a better cruncher than multiple smaller rigs with 1700/2700 etc CPUs in? :)
I think it would be too close to call: Actually, I've changed my mind. The 1950X/2950X would be more expensive (largely due to the cost of the motherboard) than a couple of 2700/2700X and would use about the same electricity, therefore, I give my nod to a pair of Ryzen's instead of a TR at the 16 core level. 24 and (especially) 32 cores is where TR makes more sense.
 
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Assuming that crunching=CineBench power draw, then 2 2700 systems would pull about 300 watts (my 1700 pulls 130 watts from the wall, Gold rated PSU) while the 2950WX is only pulling about 260 watts. The 40 watts difference would take a really long time to pay the difference in the additional cost for the TR. This is from Guru3D
 

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So @thebluebumblebee , what system would you choose?? A TR or say dual Ryzen setup?? I just thought it seemed an interesting idea or point simply because the more cores we have in one rig, the more potential points it would make, but it might not be the smartest choice to do, price wise... That said, if I have many more cases in my PC room, I'll be able to build a house or at least a fort!! :D :laugh:
 
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The 1950X/2950X would be more expensive (largely due to the cost of the motherboard) than a couple of 2700/2700X
Wait you just say TR costs more then 2x 2700, which is true but you have to factor in that for 2x 2700x you will need 2x machines. Motherboard, cooler, psu and storage, at the bare minimum. (and these components will draw additional power too) This will not add up to the high price of a TR system, BUT it makes this an even closer race then it already is.

As an example, my TR was 650€, my 1800x 350€. That alone makes just the CPU vs CPU cheaper too, but depends on daily prices ofc. At the moment Threadripper went up again, and Zen first gen dropped very low.

And remember, never calculate with the given TDP, I can make my 1950x pull from 120-300W at max load, depending on how I set it up. And the performance does not drop as much as power draw when undervolting and downclocking to something like 3.2GHz.
Same goes to the 65W on a 2700. I think actually the Threadripper 1950x could be a bit worse then 2x 1700 e.g. for efficiency, because of wasted energy by pushing data around the larger infinity fabric more often. As seen in idle consumption the TR are far more then 2x their 8c/16t R7 counterparts. And the 180W TDP is a bit of an understatement, since if you run this stock it will never clock all cores to the advertised speed. It throttles due to powerlimit, if you don´t OC and just run it stock with removed powerlimit, it goes up to 220W and scores higher in cb without touching the clocks.
 
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I have got the T3500-2 up and running!! Just switched the device profile, so it wlll run the same jobs as my other Linux boxes. Tommorow, I will get the i5 3rd gen HP8300 UltraSlim, I bought on E-Bay. I am going to try and install my 3770 into it. But not sure when I will get to it, maybe Friday night.

Meanwhile, I have the 7850 GPU in the T3500-2 and I am going to download Phoronix and do some testing. The R7 240 will be used for when I get the third T3500, Probably in a Month, or so. If the GPU testing does OK, I might download Steam and see how it does on some games... :)

Sunday, I will be trying to get my A10, w/ a 580, up and posting. Not sure but, gonna start with the memory stick removal. In the hopes it is just one that died.

Then I am going to need a W10 key...anybody here got one cheap?

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@Arjai very nice sir!! :) We have those at work we are throwing out :( Sadly it's a bit far to send to you :(

If you trust it there's probably keys on Ebay... How good or bad these are I'm unsure tho :(
 
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Tweaktown won't let me get past they're popup saying I need to whitlist them or pay .50 for two weeks ad free.

I enabled it but I think SlimJet is blocking it...

Opened fine in FireFox.

So it says this,"Windows 10 Pro OEM CD-KEY Global". I know it will probably work but, OEM CD-KEY and Global. What do those terms mean to me? Global should mean it will work anywhere on the planet. OEM CD-KEY, means this is a copy of an unused CD Key?

Does it mean I have to spend time on the phone with Microshit, oops 'soft'? I hate having to call them...such a waste of time. If Steam would just get the game makers to comply with, arguably, the most used OS, Linux, I wouldn't need to jump through so many stupid hoops. But I digress, no surprise there, eh?

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I´ve plugged my TR-build into a power-meter... I expected something around 180W - 200W idle and maybe 450W -500W at crunching load.

Well I was off by quite a bit:



685W and this is only CPU-load. If I fire up the Vega64, which I´ve seen above 300W too... And it´s without the pumps which run on a different plug, each rated for another 10W.
Not sure how much I can trust this cheap power meter, but it can´t be that far off.
The 1950x is still at 1.26875 Vcore :D
 

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Wow that is a lot of power but it is overclocked am I right @Dinnercore ?? Have you tried a stock speed crunching test for it??
 
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@thebluebumblebee - maybe with @Dinnercore s picture there, we can say that it might be cheaper to buy the two Ryzen 1700/2700 etc, but to run it definitely the 1700/2700 will save you a few quid on electric!! :laugh:

Wow that is a lot of power but it is overclocked am I right @Dinnercore ?? Have you tried a stock speed crunching test for it??

It is overclocked, but not much. I pulled it down already from 3.9GHz @ 1.325V down to 3.725 GHz @ ~1.27V in that picture. Currently I have it one step less with 3.675GHz @ 1.25V, which only dropped about 15W. I will try to get further down, still did not encounter instability yet, it may be ok to go for 1.225V.

EDIT: I never intended this system to be power efficient, it is after all an 'enthusiast' build with dual loop watercooling. BUT I learned something already from fooling around.

One thing I see is, what on earth does the power draw in HWMonitor read? It never makes sense compared to what I measure.
Another big point to mention is, that rated TDP != power draw. It is more like 2x TDP = ~power consumption. The CPU itself may take 180W, or more like loose 180W as heat, but before that those 180W are drawn from VRM which has quite some loss to it, and then this number (lets guess it is 80% efficient) of 216W is demanded from the PSU which has another loss of 5-10% depending on the rating. In the end the 180W CPU will draw more like 235W from the wall.
In my case it must be far worse efficiency wise, at idle I measure 240W and CPU 100% load it´s 640W now. That is 400W just by putting load on the CPU, and at this point I´m kind of starting to question my tools of measurement. Sure there are 16 cores that want to eat and feed an extra thread. But HWMonitor reads from the mainboard in idle 60W on the CPU and under load it´s currently 188W. That is 128W increase under load which translates to 400W (!) more power draw from the wall? Excuse me I got a titanium PSU. At these loads and 240V input it should reach 94-95% efficiency. Feeding 400W and actually delivering just 128W = 32% efficiency.
Either I miss some key knowledge about power figures around PCs or there is a big error somewhere in all of this. Just for fun I ran Heaven benchmark with my Vega (not even on LC settings, just stock air voltage and clocks) and got 910W power draw total. With CPU sitting at 20-30% usage.
Dropped down to 1.225 Vcore btw:

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The third key note I found out was, I really don´t need any core speed on this machine.

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The bottom two results are stock settings, with boosting up to 4.X GHz but heavy powerlimit. The 3.68GHz is my current result on 1.225 Vcore and 10. = 1.25 Vcore and 9. = 1.28 Vcore.

I will now continue to drop voltage until I crash, then I will go down with clocks and see how it behaves around 3 GHz.
 
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I can't believe that. Please understand that what I posted above is for total system power with a GTX 1080. https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_threadripper_2950x_review,8.html
@thebluebumblebee - maybe with @Dinnercore s picture there, we can say that it might be cheaper to buy the two Ryzen 1700/2700 etc, but to run it definitely the 1700/2700 will save you a few quid on electric!! :laugh:
@Dinnercore , you have introduced a wild card, OC'ing, into this discussion. All of the numbers that I have quoted are based on stock settings (I know, who's going to have a TR at stock:p) and my personal experience. My 1700 running stock clocks is pulling 130 watts with a GTX 460. Guru3D's results for the 2700 appears to be 150 watts, which I see as totally believable. They show a ~110 watt jump for the 2950X and an additional ~100 watt jump for the 2990WX at stock clocks. I also don't think it's fair to compare the non X 2700 with the TR's. Would be interesting to see AMD come out with some energy efficient TR's.
 

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Please keep the results coming @Dinnercore :D Be interesting to see what you find out :) I'm loopy when it comes to testing as I test at complete stock and then most step ups just so I can see the differences and make sure that I'm not messing it up :)
 
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Friday morniing edit:

I think I bricked the 7850 last night, running Ugine Valley to test it.


The front diagnostic lights are stuck at this point. Will not post and will not boot from USB. So, hopefully, it is just the 7850 that has taken a nap, it has served me well. It was primarily a Folder for about a year+ and an occasional light gamer. I bought it used, from someone here, that folded with it before me. It apparently had about five minutes of Ugine Valley left in it. :p

Oh well, I will switch it out with the new R7 240 and leave it at that. I was going to try and do some gaming on the T3500-2 but, I guess not. :ohwell:

I will have that back crunching Saturday evening. Tonight, I am going to put my 3770 into the newly acquired i5 HP 8300 US. I am going to pick it up from the rental office in a few minutes. Hopefully, By this time tomorrow it will be crunching away. Then I will turn my sights to the T3500-2 and then, Sunday, figure out the A10 system.

That's the plan, wish me luck. (I need it!)

:lovetpu:

Edit2 Friday Morning:

Dammit!! FedEx delivered my computer somewhere else!! Someone, named MJEFF signed for it yesterday at 1:40 pm. No one here has that name. So, Rico, in the office, is going to have the FedEx guy call me. Sometime around 2, today. Sucks, though, unless I can persuade him to bring it to work, I will have to wait until Monday, delaying it until later in the week...
 
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Well, no phone call. No idea where it went, and no idea if I will ever see the damn thing!! I will call FedEx in the morning and bitch their ears off, guaranteed!

The Postal service has yet to not deliver to me, UPS even does a nice job of that. I THOUGHT FedEx was decent, also. But I have had some issues with them that are now coming to mind as maybe there is a pattern here of poor training, or possibly FedEx has become the WalMart of delivery services (i.e. low pay, low morale).

Anywho, That completely effed up my plans. So, may as well dig into the T3500-2 and get her up and running. I will update my findings in a bit...

I got the T3500-2 up and running w/ the R7 240. Plus, I put the 80mm bequiet fan on the back of the heatsink, pulling. I found a 5 pin to 4 pin cable on E-Bay and bought it. Used it on this one since I saw it had a fan header, unused. This T3500, is a little different, inside, from the first one. So, I may download Wine and see about upping the clocks!!
 
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