Two R700s Churn-out X12515 in 3DMark Vantage

[vojc]

as far as i know test has been done on 3.3GHz 65nm phenom, next gen phenom is only 45nm and 3 or 6MB L3, so not a big deal, still slover than q6600 OCed.
so wait for bench on 4GHz quad intel proc. (must get ~x15000).
......and for all nvidiots well 4 GPU vs nvidia 3 GPU that is 10cm^2 VS 15CM^2 on nvidia, or if i say 500w TDP VS 700W TDP or better....... ~900$ VS 1800$
i hope that all nvidiots understand what i am saying

 

[HTC]

http://overclockingpin.com/final%20gtx280/triple-790i-air-X.jpg
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=191313
k|ngp|n did that on all air. That's 3 GPUs vs 4 gpus. If Nvidia does come out with a dual card again, I think it could really put a hurting on the x2.(this is before physics drivers I think)


Then he turned around and did this wow.
http://overclockingpin.com/physX/x18884.jpg



Maybe on the next die shrink.

Judging by the CPU score, i would definitely say it's with physX. Heck: even the pic's name suggests it.


I think the Vantage eXtreme score of the 2*R700 will turn out better then what is shown in the OP BUT it will fall behind 3*GTX280.

That said, if 2*R700 come close to 3*GTX280, that will mean total defeat to nVidia's because it would mean that nVidia would need 3 cards to beat ATI's 2 cards (i'm not talking cores here) and, on top of that, ATI's cards will be cheaper, which makes it even worse.


Also, and i believe this to be VERY relevant: does anyone know if that ATI score was made with the physX thingy? If it wasn't, ...

ATI should be working on their version of physX drivers or whatever you call it to try and make an appropriate response to CUDA, no?

 

[btarunr]

as far as i know test has been done on 3.3GHz 65nm phenom,

I can haz source?

...so I could feed the news with a little more detail.

 

[farlex85]

Also, and i believe this to be VERY relevant: does anyone know if that ATI score was made with the physX thingy? If it wasn't, ...

ATI should be working on their version of physX drivers or whatever you call it to try and make an appropriate response to CUDA, no?

Havoc is the ati's rumoured response to physX. We'll see when it takes action, maybe around the same time as the 4870x2.

 

[vojc]

I can haz source?

...so I could feed the news with a little more detail.

fudzilla i think

 

[HTC]

Havoc is the ati's rumoured response to physX. We'll see when it takes action, maybe around the same time as the 4870x2.

Yes, i know about Havok, but it's still unknown, @ this time, when such a thing will be available, if ever *knocks on wood 3 times, hoping it does soon*.

I posted "physX thingy" because, @ present, there's that modified something to enable physX on ATI, besides Havok.

 

[Morgoth]

go to the tgdaily link in the 1st post. The Phenom 9950 manages 11000-change xtreme CPU score. DaMulta's YF manages 40000 in performance score.

I bet this would have been a better bench if they ran it on a Intel setup though I'm just guessing they didn't.

http://resources.vr-zone.com//newspics/Jun08/02/bloomfieldx58.jpg
thats just on 2,66ghz

 

[farlex85]

Yes, i know about Havok, but it's still unknown, @ this time, when such a thing will be available, if ever (knocks on wood 3 times ...).

I posted "physX thingy" because, @ present, there's that modified something to enable physX on ATI, besides Havok.

Yeah I think I saw something about that too. I'm not sure how that would work though, at least not to the same degree. PhysX is derived from Cuda technology right? And nvidia has licensing on that I though, so I don't see how Ati could really run it, maybe artificially or something. Oh when did the graphics industry become so complicated......

 

[crow1001]

The new ATI cards are amazing, the XFIRE scaling just blows NV's SLI efforst, ATI have delivered big time with the new cards, i hope NV take notice because the ATI 4000 series has made NV's 200 series look rather comical at their current price, oh ye, my M8 just got an 4870 and the AA performance is out of this world, most games only take a 10fps hit with 4x AA ENABLED.

 

[vojc]

my bad, it was 45nm phenom at 3.3g ( i belive if it is a ATI bench result)
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/71821/

 

[PrudentPrincess]

Sorry but nvidia doesnt always have to make dual cards. You're talking about a card which uses 400W in total. I dont think anyone would want that in their system. is there a moral obligation against dual GPU vs single GPU? GPUs arent like CPUs mate on paper nvidia's GTX280 should be raping the HD4870, BADLY.

I think my point got a little blurred through people quoting what I was saying. What I meant was that although we're seeing a good xtreme score for this benchmark when comparing it to three GTX280's, we're not comparing it to GTX280 cards that have the new phyx drivers, (yes, it matters, you're already using a benchmark and there is no other bench data available) are overclocked, etc. In all reality for a couple generations now Nvidia has had a horrible price-performance ratio on their cards, but people buy them because they're always the higher performer. (remember the 8800 Ultra?)I don't even think we should take price into consideration when we're replying to a post about performance on a benchmarking program that can double your CPU score with physx drivers. What we need to do is cool our jets, wait for more benches to come out and see what happens. The fact that we're doing speculation on a card that isn't released is all-together stupid. It is nice to know that AMD is still a power-player though.

 

[Hazar]

im have that video card and played Crysis, on high setting (1600x1200 4x AA and 16x Anis)

 

[vojc]

im have that video card and played Crysis, on high setting (1600x1200 4x AA and 16x Anis)

Now that is a legend
s3 made some god cards of their time (savage4, savage 2000)

 

[cdawall]

All Of Keep Saying How Good The New Ati Cards Are But As Crossfire Is Concerned Two 4870 Crossfire Perfomance Sucks! And I Am Sure That This Is Fake And Even It's Real I Am No Way Convinced That The Performance Of 4870x2 In Crossfire Will Be Good In Games! All Dual Chip Cards Allways Suffer From Stuttering And Usual The 2nd Dual Card Causes The Stuttering. I Have Tried All Quad Sli Setups And Quad Crossfire Cards And Performance In Games Sucks!
I Don't Believe That Ati/amd Managed To Fix Their Drivers! We Just Have To Wait And See! Fan Speed Bug On 4870 & 4850 ? Ha Ha Ha Ha!

to you all i have to say is check my sys specs and i ask were the stuttering is cause i haven't seen it


also for this just for those who don't know because of the new interconnect chip you can run 4 4870X2s together for octafire

 

[candle_86]

i wish the GTX280 had arrived earlier on time back at the end of 07 like it was supposed to. I know i like the new aTI cards, but i still support Nvidia, and the GTX280 would have broken AMD's back and put millions out there lowering the amount of HD4k cards sold over all. Kinda like how the 7800GTX outsold the x1800XT. But alas nvidia has to rely on there lower end cards to make a profit

 

[Deleted member 3]

lol if that was true, then its true that nehalem is again a superior architecture

You know that with all your Nehalem talk you are expected to have the most badass Nehalem system on the forums when it's out right?

 

[farlex85]

i wish the GTX280 had arrived earlier on time back at the end of 07 like it was supposed to. I know i like the new aTI cards, but i still support Nvidia, and the GTX280 would have broken AMD's back and put millions out there lowering the amount of HD4k cards sold over all. Kinda like how the 7800GTX outsold the x1800XT. But alas nvidia has to rely on there lower end cards to make a profit

And this would be a good thing so you could pay even more ridiculous prices in a competition-less market?

 

[cdawall]

You know that with all your Nehalem talk you are expected to have the most badass Nehalem system on the forums when it's out right?

$10 says he sticks with his preshit for a while longer

 

[candle_86]

And this would be a good thing so you could pay even more ridiculous prices in a competition-less market?

no AMD would have there day today still.

One thing is though Nvidia drivers arn't mature either, and these cards do not preform like they should for being double a G92, so i think time will tell what happens

 

[farlex85]

no AMD would have there day today still.

One thing is though Nvidia drivers arn't mature either, and these cards do not preform like they should for being double a G92, so i think time will tell what happens

Eh, I think this is very good for amd, they need it. They are falling farther and farther behind in the cpu market, ati is going to have to be their saving grace. And if nvidia puts them too low, well then we're screwed.

None of the drivers are fully worked out, and none of the capabilites of either line of cards has been seen yet b/c there really isn't the proper software to test it. In a few months things should look clearer, I'm hoping ati takes the next couple of rounds though, I like their prices much better.

 

[DaMulta]

You know that with all your Nehalem talk you are expected to have the most badass Nehalem system on the forums when it's out right?

Yep, I have been wondering that to.

 

[eidairaman1]

Well, At work, we just got in New Dell AX2 Machines, They Certainly are quick, and we needed it considering the other machines were just too sluggish for Internet Database Management. Im pretty sure i could of streamlined the Systems but im not the admin of those machines.

 

[imperialreign]

You know that with all your Nehalem talk you are expected to have the most badass Nehalem system on the forums when it's out right?

I'm sorry, but after reading through this thread, I fell out my chair laughing at that post!

also for this just for those who don't know because of the new interconnect chip you can run 4 4870X2s together for octafire

and that right there gives this new ATI series some serious ass-kicking leverage; if we can see what 2 R700s pull, dollar for dollar, you're still far under the closest 1337 performance offering from nVidia . . . and even if nVidia did manage something to compete or outdo the 4870x2, for starters it'd probably produce more heat and noise (if not be dubbed Chernobyl and slapped with a radioactive sticker and MSDS sheet), and would probably be priced close to twice that of the 70x2 . . . think about it, how much of a performance difference would there have to be over the 4870x2 to justify twice the cost as being viable to both manufacturers and consumers? And to bring in a product like that at current $600-$700, nVidia would have to wrist-slash the price of all their other cards.

Sorry, but this GPU series round goes 100% to ATI!

All Of Keep Saying How Good The New Ati Cards Are But As Crossfire Is Concerned Two 4870 Crossfire Perfomance Sucks! And I Am Sure That This Is Fake And Even It's Real I Am No Way Convinced That The Performance Of 4870x2 In Crossfire Will Be Good In Games! All Dual Chip Cards Allways Suffer From Stuttering And Usual The 2nd Dual Card Causes The Stuttering. I Have Tried All Quad Sli Setups And Quad Crossfire Cards And Performance In Games Sucks!
I Don't Believe That Ati/amd Managed To Fix Their Drivers! We Just Have To Wait And See! Fan Speed Bug On 4870 & 4850 ? Ha Ha Ha Ha!

stuttering? What stuttering do you speak of?

Oh! you must be talking about within Crysis, right?! Hell, that's the only game that takes 5min of additional load time with a single card once the map is loaded up, and 5.5min with dual cards.

Seriously, though, I rarely experience any amount of stutter that detracts from a game.

 

[WarEagleAU]

Well my main point is it took two gpus to top a one gpu gt2XX

But all valid points.

 

[Chicken Patty]

All i can say is that nowadays what I think matters to people the most is the performance to cost ratio, and honestly, ATi has that over nvidia now. The nvidia cards are badass cards, and right now all the quickest cards out there. But if you notice on multiple setups ATI has the crown, at least according to HWBot!!!