U.S. Tech Industry, Including Google, Microsoft, Intel, and Qualcomm, Ban Huawei

[Prima.Vera]

TOS/TNG are OG Star Trek that continues to inspire. Discovery is for halfwits grappling with identity crises.

This is a bad attack. ST Discovery it's just original but not necessary bad. I personally FULLY enjoyed all Star Treks since STNG, including DS9, Voyager, Enterprise and now Discovery. ALL of them had have some good writings and story lines.

 

[GoldenX]

People, Huawei has as many backdoors as any USA product. What a surprise.
"Don't buy their spyware, be a patriot, buy OURS".

 

[Chomiq]

This is a bad attack. ST Discovery it's just original but not necessary bad. I personally FULLY enjoyed all Star Treks since STNG, including DS9, Voyager, Enterprise and now Discovery. ALL of them had have some good writings and story lines.

"It's been a long road, getting from there to here..."

 

[Sugarush]

This is a bad attack. ST Discovery it's just original but not necessary bad. I personally FULLY enjoyed all Star Treks since STNG, including DS9, Voyager, Enterprise and now Discovery. ALL of them had have some good writings and story lines.

While I also like Discovery, TNG and DS9 (and partially Voyager) are my favourites, maybe because they dealt more with moral, philosophical and religious issues, while also having a lot of action. While the current generation of ST is a little light on that.

 

[OSdevr]

I highly doubt we will get to see any evidence for the claims against Huawei, but not because it doesn't exist. If anyone would have found Chinese espionage it would be America's intelligence agencies, and there's no way they'll talk about it.

It's long been known that China conducts widespread industrial espionage against the US. It's about time something was done about it.

 

[Endeavour]

That's laughable, why does it matter who owns Huawei & I'm pretty sure there are other firms which can give much higher returns, even to the US investors. You're making it sound as if Huawei is the Google (or Apple) of the next decade!

It was growing at a surprising rate (+44% last year, vs. -11.5% from Apple or -5% from Samsung), about to overtake Apple as the second smartphone manufacturer in the global market. That's kinda huge. And that was just in smartphones. It was also doing much better than all the rest of competitors in network equipment, with most of european operators planning to use Huawei for their 5G deployment. And they were also booming in laptops (the Matebook X Pro is the best high end ultrabook in the market... and they just entered the laptop market a couple of years ago), etc.
Also, don't forget they are spending a lot in R&D. More than Apple and approaching Microsoft and Alphabet. If you think they are just another average chinese smartphone manufacturer you are very wrong.

Again laughable argument, Huawei already sells devices with QC chips IIRC.

They have Qualcomm powered devices, but they are moving away from them to a full in-house Kirin lineup. They are also pressing TSMC to build exclusive fabs for Huawei in mainland China. Concerned enough yet? Well, the US government obviously is. They don't want another tech giant capable of rising even above Samsung, and coming from a country they don't trust. So... they are just trying to kill it or control it.

 

[Shatun_Bear]

Shocking and disgusting from the US, basically wanting to keep tech a US-based cartel where prices and profits are kept sky high.

I loved the fact that Huawei were eating into Apple marketshare and consequently profit margins, meaning in the long run they'd have to lowerprices and we consumers benefit.

This is one of those events that remind us (and should remind you all) that we're living in a world of conflicting interests. Is this (also) about being on top of the food chain? Of course. The question you need to be asking yourself, is do you want to eat or be eaten. And entirely unrelated to your personal opinion, by living in a Western country, you're part of it and yes you will be on 'a side' of these conflicts.

Huawei was becoming far too influential for our own good and the 5G rollout was going to be a major vehicle for China to deploy mass surveillance outside of its own borders. Even the slightest chance of that happening should be a massive warning sign, and I'm glad to see it was, already over six years ago.

We can start worrying about our economy and innovation leadership and diplomacy after that. Make no mistake: China plays the game just like this and now experiences a major setback in their power creep.


Just a side note; this might even be bigger than just China. This might even be mostly about the US and geopolitical influence as a whole. The recent fleet movements towards Iran, the timing of these things is never coincidental, and already you can see this is a timing strategy that maximizes the impact and psychological effect. For Huawei, not only were they about to make the biggest deal in history, they were also the top smartphone company. If they'd been shot down three years earlier, the damage would've been minimal. But, we waited patiently for the opponent to yell 'All in!' to slam the door in its face.

Another important side note: Trump's term is coming to an end soon, and what better way than conflict to reinforce faith in your current POTUS.

Add all of those aspects up and you can see why the timing of this is so, so convenient.

You really do drink the US propaganda koolaid don't you?

Here in the UK GCHQ did an assessment of the risk of Chinese surveillance over 5G and found no risk even though many wanted them to conclude there was.

What's dumb is this hurts you as a consumer. The US tech giants don't want competition from Huawei, it's as simple as that, US administration wants economuc supremacy, it's as simple as that. 'Security fears' is a smokescreen.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Here in the UK GCHQ did an assessment of the risk of Chinese surveillance over 5G and found no risk even though many wanted them to conclude there was.

Might want to check your facts...because they're wrong:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveyw...ecurity-engineering-belongs-in-the-year-2000/

TL;DR: It's full of holes and holes pointed out a year ago weren't fixed.

 

[genralramius]

Might want to check your facts...because they're wrong:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveyw...ecurity-engineering-belongs-in-the-year-2000/

TL;DR: It's full of holes and holes pointed out a year ago weren't fixed.

I had to register to answer you as I usually do not post, but to answer your facts
First Forbes is an American business.
Second it confronts to American interests, which are that Europe should not use cheaper options, but has to buy the most expensive shit that has as many backdoors as the Huawei stuff.
But you probably are American, so cannot do anything.
Me as an European citizen wants real competition. Not the so called competition that is paper thin.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Clearly you didn't even look at it. They cite UK agencies directly:
BBC: Huawei's 'shoddy' work prompts talk of a Westminster ban (quotes director of GHCQ)
HCSEC: HUAWEI CYBER SECURITY EVALUATION CENTRE (HCSEC) OVERSIGHT BOARD, ANNUAL REPORT, 2019
Telegraph: Cutting out Huawei from 5G network would cost Britain £7bn

UK hasn't been as proactive as USA because of that last point. Huawei is undercutting everyone else's prices and that naturally means 5G roll out will be more expensive if they are barred. USA places the importance of security over cost because a lack of security may lead to extraordinary economic cost down the road.

Because these warnings have been in place for 7+ years now, Huawei has a minimal footprint in the USA but that was threatening to change with their cheapness and the 5G roll out. Handsets aren't as big of a concern as network equipment here.

Judging by patents:

Top companies leading 5G development

Key companies leading in the development and deployment of 5G products, services, and infrastructure based on their intellectual property analysis.

www.netscribes.com

Samsung is #1 ("end-to-end")
Intel is #2 (focusing on infrastructure)
Nokia is #3 (mostly infrastructure)
Huawei is #4 (mostly infrastructure)
Ericsson is #5 (mostly infrastructure)
ZTE is #6 (mostly infrastructure)

Add all of those up, it's only 31% of the patents.


Huawei's and ZTE's advantage is being able to undercut competitors pricing because of China's illegal trade practices.

 

[HTC]

Stupid question: what does this banning mean for those that currently have a Huawei smartphone?

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Not much. It's mostly going to affect new (post-ban) Huawei devices.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Stupid question: what does this banning mean for those that currently have a Huawei smartphone?

For people in the EU, such as yourself, the effect will be minimal.

 

[HTC]

For people in the EU, such as yourself, the effect will be minimal.

Mine isn't but several family members have one, which is why i asked.

My concern was if these phones were to stop functioning because of this whole mess.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Mine isn't but several family members have one, which is why i asked.

My concern was if these phones were to stop functioning because of this whole mess.

Phones don't magically stop working just because the company that made them stops supporting them. Example, ZTE. I still have a ZTE Maven2 that I use as a music player, even though ZTE was shutdown for a while and they don't support the phone. No sim card, just a microsd and it work fine. Effectively a micro-tablet.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Too bad they are not listed on NASDAQ and similar. Would have been interesting to see how much their shares would have drop after the US ban.

 

[Chomiq]

So this went from:

"Huawei is something that is very dangerous,"
"You look at what they've done from a security standpoint, a military standpoint. Very dangerous."

To:

"If we made a deal, I could imagine Huawei being possibly included in some form or some part of it,"

very fast.

Trump says Huawei could be part of trade deal

Huawei could feature in a US-China trade pact despite being "very dangerous", says the US president.

www.bbc.com

If the deal goes through and somehow Huawei becomes a non-issue all of the other countries that banned them will look like Trump's puppets.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Look at the deal US struck with China over ZTE. It made ZTE toothless as a security threat which is why they're more popular (at least in USA) than Huawei. Thing is, ZTE didn't have much in the way of Chinese control over it--not like Huawei. A similar deal will not be easily reached over Huawei.

 

[Totally]

It was growing at a surprising rate (+44% last year, vs. -11.5% from Apple or -5% from Samsung), about to overtake Apple as the second smartphone manufacturer in the global market. That's kinda huge. And that was just in smartphones. It was also doing much better than all the rest of competitors in network equipment, with most of european operators planning to use Huawei for their 5G deployment. And they were also booming in laptops (the Matebook X Pro is the best high end ultrabook in the market... and they just entered the laptop market a couple of years ago), etc.
Also, don't forget they are spending a lot in R&D. More than Apple and approaching Microsoft and Alphabet. If you think they are just another average chinese smartphone manufacturer you are very wrong.

They have Qualcomm powered devices, but they are moving away from them to a full in-house Kirin lineup. They are also pressing TSMC to build exclusive fabs for Huawei in mainland China. Concerned enough yet? Well, the US government obviously is. They don't want another tech giant capable of rising even above Samsung, and coming from a country they don't trust. So... they are just trying to kill it or control it.

You just stated all that and the thought 'something isn't right' did not pop up once in the back of your mind?

 

[R0H1T]

The timing couldn't have been worse better

Dracarys: Huawei troubles compounded as Mate 20 Pro goes up in flames

 

[Totally]

The timing couldn't have been worse better
Dracarys: Huawei troubles compounded as Mate 20 Pro goes up in flames

Fake news. As much as I recognize this as a as a high level smear campaign brought on by several powers against Huaweii, anyone feel otherwise please convince me otherwise. It's pathetic, westerners are more than happy to exploit China at the expense of jobs and talent weakening themselves in the process, now the Chinese are taking control this is their response since since they've long cut out their legs from under themselves. Although I can't ignore or say that the company's growth is not abnormal nor propped up by the resources of it's government. How fair is it if a government funnels nearly unlimited money into a company until it's number 1? B

 

[lexluthermiester]

Fake news.

Notebookcheck.net is NOT a fake news site.

As much as I recognize this as a as a high level smear campaign brought on by several powers against Huaweii

First, spell checkers are your friend. Second, Huawei is a known conformist to the Chinese government. This is not a smear campaign. It is proper and appropriate action to protect citizens worldwide.

You need to do fact-checking before spouting gibberish..