WD Blue SN580 1 TB

[chrcoluk]

So with the sensor problem it throttles at 125C? is that safe?

 

[W1zzard]

So with the sensor problem it throttles at 125C? is that safe?

Yes, it's designed like that

 

[ColinB123]

Its performance seems VERY close to the SN770, so it seems like an SN770 with a P3 interface.
Except for the high temperature recorded.

 

[Bubster]

10 months ago i scooped 3 Kingston KC 3000 1TB at around 80 euros each on Black Friday i'm using one as a boot drive and used 2 others in Raid O at 13Gbs Read 12 gbs Write (No more slow transfers for me EVER). all have performance out of this world in addition to fast Ram and and a 6ghz Overclocked 13 Gen Cpu. and shifted my old Gen 3's to my workstation running Virtual Machines (server & professional work....) I recently added a 4TB Dram less Crucial P5 that was a steal at 200 euros on Amazon and snapped another one for a laptop as well, it's amazing how many partitions one can make on 4TB Dramless without any loss of performance, looking forward to bigger NVME capacities and speeds...at low prices of course

 

[goodeedidid]

Just $100 for a 2TB SSD that has over 4,000MBs R/W performance... and this is just the blue series. I wonder for private users like gamers there is just no point I guess to spend more money on anything faster. This is so fast that it doesn't matter anymore.

 

[bug]

No 4TB is disappointing but I disagree in Wizard boycotting SSD's that don't come with a 4TB version by next year. Almost all motherboards have at least 2 NVME slots, many have 3, and 6TB is a lot of data. Often times the value of 'value' drives typically aren't very value oriented when they get to 4TB, and the 'value' drives at 4TB are almost always QLC drives(Kingston NV2), QLC that often end up just as slow or slower than an MX500.

The thing is, if you fill out all M.2 slots, upgrading one drive becomes a hassle. Worse, if only have 2 slots, one is the OS drive, the other one is storage, how do you upgrade the storage drive? There's nowhere to insert your new drive and copy the data over. It can be done, of course. But it's still a hassle.
My answer to that, since it's a problem independent of the drive size, would not be to boycott drives because of their size, but boycott motherboards that don't offer 3 slots. And I also hope motherboards will start to include a PCIe expansion card with additional M.2 slots. At least the high-end ones.

 

[dgianstefani]

The thing is, if you fill out all M.2 slots, upgrading one drive becomes a hassle. Worse, if only have 2 slots, one is the OS drive, the other one is storage, how do you upgrade the storage drive? There's nowhere to insert your new drive and copy the data over. It can be done, of course. But it's still a hassle.
My answer to that, since it's a problem independent of the drive size, would not be to boycott drives because of their size, but boycott motherboards that don't offer 3 slots. And I also hope motherboards will start to include a PCIe expansion card with additional M.2 slots. At least the high-end ones.

Or just use sata for bulk if you need more than 6/12 TB of M.2 storage and your mobo only has three slots.

 

[Lew Zealand]

The thing is, if you fill out all M.2 slots, upgrading one drive becomes a hassle. Worse, if only have 2 slots, one is the OS drive, the other one is storage, how do you upgrade the storage drive? There's nowhere to insert your new drive and copy the data over. It can be done, of course. But it's still a hassle.
My answer to that, since it's a problem independent of the drive size, would not be to boycott drives because of their size, but boycott motherboards that don't offer 3 slots. And I also hope motherboards will start to include a PCIe expansion card with additional M.2 slots. At least the high-end ones.

External m.2 NVMe case, easy peasy. Been using one for almost half a decade now and the "hassle" amounts to less than a minute of placing the new drive in the case before the data clone step.

 

[W1zzard]

Wow, the Steam unpack/decrypt result for the SN570 is horrible

What's changed between the original SN570 review and now?

WD Blue SN570 NVMe 1 TB Review - A Gem Hidden in Plain Sight

The WD Blue SN570 is priced extremely competitively at only $90 for the 1 TB version. While pricing suggests "entry-level," the drive is actually the second-fastest PCIe 3.0 SSD we ever tested, faster than the Kingston KC2500, ADATA SX8200 Pro, and HP EX950.

www.techpowerup.com

WD Blue SN580 1 TB Review - Incredible Price/Performance

Western Digital's new WD Blue SN580 is the best budget M.2 SSD drive out there. Despite its impressive price point of $45 it comes with fantastic performance that easily matches most high-end drives. Compared to the SN570, the interface has been upgraded to PCIe 4.0, and the SLC cache is now...

www.techpowerup.com

So I've retested SN570 in the Steam test and it really is SUPER slow.

http://imgur.com/QyMAaRm

It starts out fine, and then speeds fall of a cliff, while the drive is still 100% busy. This confirms that the issue is not with the host PC, but rather with how the drive reacts to Steam's weird pattern of read-write activity (which is EXTREMELY unoptimized for the task). Still, it is what it is, and other drives do much better here. Remember, the SLC cache is tiny at 16 GB, that probably plays a role here.

I do remember updating the firmware in Jan 2023 before retesting all drives, with new tests and new platform, so maybe that's the reason the numbers were better in the past.

http://imgur.com/owcPzUI

Here's a bit further into the test. The drive is still sitting at 100% busy, and write speeds are extremely low, even though they fluctuate up a bit, from time to time.

I tried @Sunlight91's tip with the write cache, and indeed it helps a lot to improve things.

http://imgur.com/HzupD8T

Uncheck: "Enable write caching on the device". While this certainly hurts performance in other scenarios, it greatly helps for Steam. Now the unpacking completes in 92 seconds. Comparable to other NVMe drives in the test group.

 

[bug]

Or just use sata for bulk if you need more than 6/12 TB of M.2 storage and your mobo only has three slots.

We were just talking M.2 slots. Still SATA drives aren't really bigger than what you can get in M.2 format.

External m.2 NVMe case, easy peasy. Been using one for almost half a decade now and the "hassle" amounts to less than a minute of placing the new drive in the case before the data clone step.

Since there's no external M.2 port, you still have to go over USB which is slow. But yeah, besides using the case and having to wait a little longer, it's one of the better solutions.

 

[sLowEnd]

So I've retested SN570 in the Steam test and it really is SUPER slow.

Thanks for looking into it

 

[Assimilator]

Are these guaranteed TLC, versus the bait-and-switch maybe-TLC maybe-QLC WD had going on with some of its other Blue SSDs?

Lack of a 4TB option is almost certainly a marketing decision to force consumers to buy higher-tier drives. Which is stupid because said consumers will just buy a competitor's 4TB drive instead.

 

[Lew Zealand]

We were just talking M.2 slots. Still SATA drives aren't really bigger than what you can get in M.2 format.

Since there's no external M.2 port, you still have to go over USB which in slow. But yeah, besides using the case and having to wait a little longer, it's one of the better solutions.

Yeah slower, like 800 MB/sec max for that job but at least you only do it once. OK maybe 3 times: 512GB -> 2TB -> 4TB in my main PC...

Lack of a 4TB option is almost certainly a marketing decision to force consumers to buy higher-tier drives. Which is stupid because said consumers will just buy a competitor's 4TB drive instead.

Exactly this.

The 4TB above is my first non-WD drive in a long while because Team offers an affordable 4GB NVMe drive where WD has no Blue of that size.

 

[Assimilator]

So I've retested SN570 in the Steam test and it really is SUPER slow.

http://imgur.com/QyMAaRm

It starts out fine, and then speeds fall of a cliff, while the drive is still 100% busy. This confirms that the issue is not with the host PC, but rather with how the drive reacts to Steam's weird pattern of read-write activity (which is EXTREMELY unoptimized for the task). Still, it is what it is, and other drives do much better here. Remember, the SLC cache is tiny at 16 GB, that probably plays a role here.

I do remember updating the firmware in Jan 2023 before retesting all drives, with new tests and new platform, so maybe that's the reason the numbers were better in the past.

http://imgur.com/owcPzUI

Here's a bit further into the test. The drive is still sitting at 100% busy, and write speeds are extremely low, even though they fluctuate up a bit, from time to time.

I tried @Sunlight91's tip with the write cache, and indeed it helps a lot to improve things.

http://imgur.com/HzupD8T

Uncheck: "Enable write caching on the device". While this certainly hurts performance in other scenarios, it greatly helps for Steam. Now the unpacking completes in 92 seconds. Comparable to other NVMe drives in the test group.

Have you let WD know about this? Could be a firmware fix.

 

[Deleted member 232534]

It is not recommended for laptops with this power draw at idle... In contrast to how low power consumption Samsung SSDs get

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yes this look bad comparing to kingstone nv2, kc3000

hope for add to comparisons sn850x, there is only non-x version

 

[W1zzard]

Have you let WD know about this? Could be a firmware fix.

I have no contact window to WD

 

[Eskimonster]

Meh its 162$ for the 1 TB in DK

 

[csendesmark]

Yes, it's designed like that

I believe they designed like that, but ...
It "might" get a shorter "life" expectancy