What is Radeon RX 7000 series for you? Please elaborate

[AusWolf]

I cannot say with 100% certainty until the whole lineup is out and available, but for now, I voted "so-so".

It is a success for AMD in terms of testing new tech (chiplet GPUs), but it is a disappointment for the consumer who would ideally want more performance and more perf-per-watt from a new generation.

 

[GloriousKev]

What is Radeon RX 7000 series for you? Please explain why you think so.

I think it is a disappointment.
Maybe the first iteration of the chiplets approach is to blame, but the 20% shaders count uplift from 5120 (Navi 21) to 6144 (Navi 31) is simply not sufficient, and it ruins the whole lineup.

I think this is tough question to answer. From a business/sales pov I don't think Radeon has been a success for a long time. Nvidia has been Steam rolling them for years. As an end user, I upgraded to a 7900 XT from a 2080 TI and I am pretty happy with the results.

 

[Assimilator]

Disappointment, because I was hoping that AMD would finally manage to get their launch day and multi-monitor power draw to work correctly, because this is after all the THIRD TIME they've had the opportunity to do it with RDNA.

But they didn't.

I will give them credit where it's due:
* USB-C is the future and should be standard on all GPUs
* RT performance is greatly improved and gaining on NVIDIA with every generation
* Chiplet design seems to work well for first iteration, obviously AMD has experience with Zen but CPUs and GPUs aren't necessarily directly comparable

but then I have to ding them:
* Pricing, pricing, pricing
* USB-C is the future and should be standard on all GPUs, not just the reference high-end models. We used to get DVI-to-VGA adapters for free with new GPU purchases, why can't AMD and its partners do the same with USB-C-to-DisplayPort adapters?
* Chiplet design doesn't seem to have accomplished much in terms of performance uplift - not competitive with NVIDIA at the high-end, which is a concern for next generation
* 7700 and 7800 series MIA 9 months after launch - missing out on a massive opportunity to move product in the mid-upper bracket where 4060 Ti and 4070 are currently uncontested
* Stupid amounts of VRAM being added on the highest-end cards to no appreciable benefit except hiking prices - while 7600 is stuck with 8GB
* Refusal to adopt 12VHPWR connector, which is just petty BS that's unnecessarily fragmenting the industry
* 7600 is offensive rubbish that barely competes with the "previous-generation" 6600

I'm excited to see what they can and will do with the 8000-series, but the 7000s are very meh to me. Maybe my opinion will change when the 7700s and 7800s arrive... assuming they ever do, and AMD prices them at sane levels and doesn't release them the day before the 8000-series.

 

[Macro Device]

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Funny narrative meanwhile I'm doing well with mine.

Disappointment, because I was hoping that AMD would finally manage to get their launch day and multi-monitor power draw to work correctly, because this is after all the THIRD TIME they've had the opportunity to do it with RDNA.

But they didn't.

I will give them credit where it's due:
* USB-C is the future and should be standard on all GPUs
* RT performance is greatly improved and gaining on NVIDIA with every generation
* Chiplet design seems to work well for first iteration, obviously AMD has experience with Zen but CPUs and GPUs aren't necessarily directly comparable

but then I have to ding them:
* Pricing, pricing, pricing
* USB-C is the future and should be standard on all GPUs, not just the reference high-end models. We used to get DVI-to-VGA adapters for free with new GPU purchases, why can't AMD and its partners do the same with USB-C-to-DisplayPort adapters?
* Chiplet design doesn't seem to have accomplished much in terms of performance uplift - not competitive with NVIDIA at the high-end, which is a concern for next generation
* 7700 and 7800 series MIA 9 months after launch - missing out on a massive opportunity to move product in the mid-upper bracket where 4060 Ti and 4070 are currently uncontested
* Stupid amounts of VRAM being added on the highest-end cards to no appreciable benefit except hiking prices - while 7600 is stuck with 8GB
* Refusal to adopt 12VHPWR connector, which is just petty BS that's unnecessarily fragmenting the industry
* 7600 is offensive rubbish that barely competes with the "previous-generation" 6600

I'm excited to see what they can and will do with the 8000-series, but the 7000s are very meh to me. Maybe my opinion will change when the 7700s and 7800s arrive... assuming they ever do, and AMD prices them at sane levels and doesn't release them the day before the 8000-series.

Some of that I heartily disagree with, the connector's, no thanks.

Lower Vram no thanks.

Pricing, they followed Nvidia's blueprint not made it.

Chip lets, get gud AMD I agree and they're ahead in that game all will benefit since they're lead is also held by they're partner foundries and they're passing on that knowledge.

 

[Chrispy_]

It's a stepping-stone architecture for AMD to learn chiplets.

Architecturally, plenty of review sites and channels have looked at RDNA2 vs RDNA3, clock for clock, and there's just about zero architectural improvement to speak of. The process node change is entirely responsible for any power efficiency or performance improvements, not there's much of that either.

If you have RDNA2, don't bother.
If you don't yet have RDNA2, get the RDNA3 variant.
RDNA3 doesn't compete with the 40-series, really - it competes sucessfully and effectively with Ampere and RDNA2, which still make up 99.x% of the GPU market given what a sales disaster the entire 40-series has been (likely due to horrific pricing and truly miserable amounts of VRAM, PCI-e lane, and memory bandwidth for the entire series below the 4090).

Am I disappointed that RDNA3 isn't a performance or efficiency leap forwards over RDNA2? Yes. But AMD never really hyped RDNA3 - it was always about trying to move to chiplets and arguably their first attempt at it wasn't bad. We've yet to see Navi32 but when that releases we'll finally get a chance to compare similar spec GPUs with RDNA3 and chiplets versus monolithic RDNA2. We can't do that apples-to-apples at the moment because there's not RDNA2 GPU equivalent of the 7900-series yet. There are sure to be close RDNA2 matches to the 7700 and 7800-series later this year though.

 

[kapone32]

It's a stepping-stone architecture for AMD to learn chiplets.

Architecturally, plenty of review sites and channels have looked at RDNA2 vs RDNA3, clock for clock, and there's just about zero architectural improvement to speak of. The process node change is entirely responsible for any power efficiency or performance improvements, not there's much of that either.

If you have RDNA2, don't bother.
If you don't yet have RDNA2, get the RDNA3 variant.
RDNA3 doesn't compete with the 40-series, really - it competes sucessfully and effectively with Ampere and RDNA2, which still make up 99.x% of the GPU market given what a sales disaster the entire 40-series has been (likely due to horrific pricing and truly miserable amounts of VRAM, PCI-e lane, and memory bandwidth for the entire series below the 4090).

Am I disappointed that RDNA3 isn't a performance or efficiency leap forwards over RDNA2? Yes. But AMD never really hyped RDNA3 - it was always about trying to move to chiplets and arguably their first attempt at it wasn't bad. We've yet to see Navi32 but when that releases we'll finally get a chance to compare similar spec GPUs with RDNA3 and chiplets versus monolithic RDNA2. We can't do that apples-to-apples at the moment because there's not RDNA2 GPU equivalent of the 7900-series yet. There are sure to be close RDNA2 matches to the 7700 and 7800-series later this year though.

I have used both the 6800XT and 7900XT for 6 months at least of daily use. There is nothing that would have me go back to the 6800XT. Chiplets are fine. This is AMD we are talking about not ATI. Ryzen is chiplet no? If you draw it back no Nvidia card can compete with AMD in price/performance at this point. People like to focus on 4090 comparisons but I could build a really good PC with the money I save vs buying a 7900XT and a 4K Mini LED and up monitor looks spectacular

 

[ARF]

If you have RDNA2, don't bother.
If you don't yet have RDNA2, get the RDNA3 variant.

If the user doesn't strictly want the highest available framerate offered by any Radeon, then Radeon RX 6700 XT 12GB, RX 6800 16GB and RX 6800 XT 16GB are the products to go because they are the cheaper options - the above mentioned "cost per frame".

 

[LabRat 891]

I voted So-So.
I have no interest in upgrading @TM but, I see RDNA 3.0 as a decent improvement over RDNA 2.0.

 

[Chrispy_]

If the user doesn't strictly want the highest available framerate offered by any Radeon, then Radeon RX 6700 XT 12GB, RX 6800 16GB and RX 6800 XT 16GB are the products to go because they are the cheaper options - the above mentioned "cost per frame".2$

True. Technically the only product where there's any choice yet between the 7000-series and older 6000-series is the RX7600 vs 6650XT - since there's no RDNA2 that can match Navi31 and no RDNA3 to speak of in the $270-800 price bracket.

Regional RX7600 pricing seems to be all over the place, but here in the UK you can find it cheaper than the 6650XT regularly, which makes it a no-brainer if you can't stretch to a 6700XT.

 

[wolf]

So-so.

It's a very ambitious design, and the first of it's kind, so I applaud the effort, but it's not without issues. AMD just can't seem to get a smooth launch down pat, there were game crashes and other issues that took months to fix like high idle power useage. It's like at the 11th hour they turn back and kick an own goal.

They also missed expectations that they themselves set, and seem content to price them as premium products when they lack the premium feature and product polish that Nvidia has. They just keep missing wide open opportunities to capture more mind share and market share. HUB covered their marketing strategy downfalls very well.

That all said, they're genuinely decent products, just not class leading or that special in any particular way imo. Middle of the road for me, not an outright success (RDNA2 hit that mark better imo) and not an outright disappointment, from my perspective.

 

[Chrispy_]

So-so.

It's a very ambitious design, and the first of it's kind, so I applaud the effort, but it's not without issues. AMD just can't seem to get a smooth launch down pat, there were game crashes and other issues that took months to fix like high idle power useage. It's like at the 11th hour they turn back and kick an own goal.

They also missed expectations that they themselves set, and seem content to price them as premium products when they lack the premium feature and product polish that Nvidia has. They just keep missing wide open opportunities to capture more mind share and market share. HUB covered their marketing strategy downfalls very well.

That all said, they're genuinely decent products, just not class leading or that special in any particular way imo. Middle of the road for me, not an outright success (RDNA2 hit that mark better imo) and not an outright disappointment, from my perspective.

They definitely overhyped it by releasing their benchmarks using pre-release, unstable BIOS/clocks. When the 7900XTX failed to live up to the performance AMD claimed pre-launch, people were disappointed.

Yet another example of AMD's marketing department ruining things for the other departments. If you ignore the missed expectations set by the impatient and careless marketing, the 7900XTX is pretty damn impressive.

 

[wheresmycar]

"so-so" (voted)

It's a tricky one. Great gaming cards but the asking price pushes the vote to a resounding "disappointment". But thats to be expected with all recent and last Gen higher-end GPU's being treated like gold, exclusive to the big-ticket proprietor.

We need a 4th option:

• "it doesn't matter, we've been shafted, shafted hard"

 

[mechtech]

Well hard to say. The whole line up is far from being released. It does support DP2.0 and has an updated media codec engine but I haven’t seen any reviews on it but haven’t looked either.

just got a 6600 today with an included game for $260 Cad. Put that card in my daughters pc when time permits.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

They definitely overhyped it by releasing their benchmarks using pre-release, unstable BIOS/clocks. When the 7900XTX failed to live up to the performance AMD claimed pre-launch, people were disappointed.

Yet another example of AMD's marketing department ruining things for the other departments. If you ignore the missed expectations set by the impatient and careless marketing, the 7900XTX is pretty damn impressive.

Although on their RDNA2 numbers and pretty much every Ryzen release has been spot on compared to their internal benchmarks maybe even under hyped in some scenarios. This was the first launch they went straight intel/nvidia on the marketing side. Although I would argue Nvidia's 2x-4x claim was way more bogus even if it's technically true assuming DLSS3 in select scenarios. The main difference is AMD doesn't have the mindshare or market share to be fudging the numbers.

I think the 7900XT left a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths though priced at 900 usd it was kinda a joke at launch straight Nvidia pricing on that model again without the mindshare....

 

[wheresmycar]

I had a good read-through on the comments. Interesting stuff!

I completely forgot RDNA3 is AMDs first run at a chiplet design. I recall 50% increased performance per watt claims prior to launch. Where did it go wrong - fictitious marketing or just failed accomplishment with the first chiplet iteration?

I'm less focused nowadays... the price overindulgence sticks out like a sore thumb and throws everything else off balance.

Although I would argue Nvidia's 2x-4x claim was way more bogus

that too! In return we got 2x-4x the price over common sense.

 

[Provin915]

Hey guys I just received my Sapphire Nitro+ 7900XT Vapor-X card. I thought it was finally time to upgrade (coming from a 5700XT). Got it for €899 which I thought was a solid price.

Should I leave it on stock or undervolt it immediately for better temps / performance? I'll be doing some research on that topic as well, but thought let me ask the experts on TechPowerup

 

[Chomiq]

I had high hopes for RDNA2, then I was optimistic about RDNA3, now I'm waiting for RDNA4. That's my opinion about RX 7000 series.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Hey guys I just received my Sapphire Nitro+ 7900XT Vapor-X card. I thought it was finally time to upgrade (coming from a 5700XT). Got it for €899 which I thought was a solid price.

Should I leave it on stock or undervolt it immediately for better temps / performance? I'll be doing some research on that topic as well, but thought let me ask the experts on TechPowerup

Undervolt and leave or leave as is, best off joining the club thread as this thread's an opinion thread and not helpful to anyone.

 

[Chrispy_]

Hey guys I just received my Sapphire Nitro+ 7900XT Vapor-X card. I thought it was finally time to upgrade (coming from a 5700XT). Got it for €899 which I thought was a solid price.

Should I leave it on stock or undervolt it immediately for better temps / performance? I'll be doing some research on that topic as well, but thought let me ask the experts on TechPowerup

Always tune AMD GPUs. Their default settings are OMG MAX VOLTAGE

I don't have a Navi31 card, but dropping the default 1150mv down to 1075 is a good place to start stability testing. If it's crashtastic, raise it to 1100mv.
I have never seen any RDNA card not undervolt well, and that includes my silicon lottery loser currently sat in the media PC which "only" undervolts to 1140mv from 1200. I've had RDNA undervolts of over 10% on several other cards.

Dropping voltages by 5-10% will reduce power consumption by 10-20%, and given that the XTX is often power-limited, that's a decent result. For the times when it's not power limited, 10-20% less heat sure is welcome

 

[thunderingroar]

I think from an engineering aspect the fact that these consumer chiplet GPUs even boot up and give a display output is an incredible achievement.

From a pure consumer aspect im kinda disappointed, felt like RDNA2 was more competitive vs Ampere than RDNA3 is vs Ada

 

[ARF]

I had high hopes for RDNA2, then I was optimistic about RDNA3, now I'm waiting for RDNA4. That's my opinion about RX 7000 series.

There is no reason for AMD to not make the Navi 41 (RDNA 4) with 192 CUs, making it 12,288 shaders, and performance ~80% higher than the available today RX 7900 XTX.

 

[Assimilator]

There is no reason for AMD to not make the Navi 41 (RDNA 4) with 192 CUs, making it 12,288 shaders, and performance ~80% higher than the available today RX 7900 XTX.

Yes there is, it's called "cost". And "heat output".

And stop with your nonsense of claiming that X CUs = Y performance. That's like saying that a V8 will always be faster than a V6, while completely ignoring every other aspect like the age of the engine or the vehicle it's installed in.

 

[ARF]

You must be an idiot if you believe that AMD can sell if they don't deliver - the only way to deliver is to improve the performance.
Otherwise, there will be a situation in which AMD's next-gen RX 8900 XTXTX will be as fast as nvidia's next-gen RTX 5060

 

[Assimilator]

You must be an idiot if you believe that AMD can sell if they don't deliver - the only way to deliver is to improve the performance.
Otherwise, there will be a situation in which AMD's next-gen RX 8900 XTXTX will be as fast as nvidia's next-gen RTX 5060

Stop trying to deflect from the fact that you keep quoting random numbers you've pulled out of your posterior, as if they're fact.