What is Radeon RX 7000 series for you? Please elaborate

[Vya Domus]

Like I said check my posts that have screenshots showing performance.

He's a troll, I've had many mind numbing discussions with him before. He basically refuses to acknowledge any performance metrics that don't include ray tracing, that's why he claims nothing can play games at 144hz 4K lol.

 

[Chrispy_]

Its not that I refuse to believe it, it's that in heavy games it cant get 144fps at 4k. Not even a 4090 can.

As much as I like getting 240fps on a 240Hz monitor, you don't NEED to hit your monitor's vsync to get a fantastic gaming performance.
I get about 90fps in CP2077 at max (non-RT) settings and it's very, very playable.

Would I like 240fps? Of course.
Can I get 240fps?
Hell no.
Nobody can, period.
Even a 13900KS with an overclock on LN2 cooling with a 4090SLI setup that's also on LN2 cooling probably can't achieve this ridiculous stunt and it doesn't matter.

There will always be games that don't run well, whether they push the envelope for what is possible with current-gen hardware, or whether they're unoptimised, half-assed ports made by lazy developers full of shit... As long as you're getting a decent experience that has acceptable visuals and input latency, what does it matter?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

He's a troll, I've had many mind numbing discussions with him before. He basically refuses to acknowledge any performance metrics that don't include ray tracing, that's why he claims nothing can play games at 144hz 4K lol.

I mean if you just look at reviews which the majority of games do not use RT in the 7900XT is nowhere near a 4k144hz gpu.... Now if someone is ok turning a bunch of settings down sure....... But just going by reviews from sources I actually trust you'd need something at least 50% faster to at min claim its a 4k144hz gpu....





I could technically claim my 3080ti is a 4k144 gpu also but it really isn't not even my 4090 is.... Maybe with Framegen lol.

 

[JustBenching]

As much as I like getting 240fps on a 240Hz monitor, you don't NEED to hit your monitor's vsync to get a fantastic gaming performance.
I get about 90fps in CP2077 at max (non-RT) settings and it's very, very playable.

Sure, im fine, but the guy says he is getting 144 fps which is just not the case on new triple AAA titles.

I mean if you just look at reviews which the majority of games do not use RT in the 7900XT is nowhere near a 4k144hz gpu.... Now if someone is ok turning a bunch of settings down sure....... But just going by reviews from sources I actually trust you'd need something at least 50% faster to at min claim its a 4k144hz gpu....

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I could technically claim my 3080ti is a 4k144 gpu also but it really isn't not even my 4090 is.... Maybe with Framegen lol.

EXACTLY. But nope, let's pretend he gets 144 at 4k, rofl.

 

[95Viper]

Let's get on topic.
Stop the insults. And. discuss the topic not the member.
If you do not agree with someone, state your point (or facts) and move on... do not keep bickering back and forth.
It will not usually change anything... but, will ruin thread.

 

[Dr. Dro]

They're not ignoring it. Brazil has laws on imported electronics which make it a less than desirable market. Why this is impacting AMD more than Nvidia I'm not sure but likely a factor of the scale.

It's not even that. Intel, AMD and NVIDIA have offices in the country, and products have generally been available from day one. NVIDIA does not distribute first-party Founders cards here, but all AIB models tend to be available, the thing is that it's distributors who import them and these end up in our major stores, that has an impact on the price.

The 7900 XTX is available for cheaper but generally Radeons sell a lot less than NVIDIA cards here, primarily because AIBs tend to have a good representation, particularly Galax, who employs Ronaldo Buassali, an experienced overclocker and the guy who runs our largest hardware channel, TecLab. I also know the guy that represents MSI here, upstanding fellow.

Things are probably different in other markets from what I read, but here in Brazil 7900XT/XTX are overpriced as hell. The 7900XT is ~1000BRL (~200 USD) higher than 4070Ti on average, and with shorter warranties (1 year vs 3 from the nVidia lineup) most of the time. The 7900XTX is more or less equal to 4080 on pricing, but the warranty problem still stands, with only MSI offering 3 years for RDNA3.

The only product that makes sense from a bang for the buck perspective is the RX 7600, and that is if you're coming from Polaris or Vega at most, and if you only play 1080p (not a big deal, since 1440p and 4k gaming is still overwhelmingly the minority here).

All in all, I don't think AMD cares about this market. The price cuts that happen elsewhere usually never make it here, and combined with the warranty stuff, that makes it harder to recommend these products against the Ada stack.

Bought a 4080 Strix OC White recently.... basically 10K shipped from Pichau. Ouch. Good thing selling my old 3090 paid for half of it. On average the 4080 is still a decent chunk more expensive than the XTX's. Have you checked Pichau recently? Some going as "low" as 6699. KaBuM had the Sapphire Nitro+ XTX for 7159 the other day, a little under 7K if you have their ninja subscription. Considered the MSRP of those cards, the price is not too out of range.

 

[Kapone33]

I mean if you just look at reviews which the majority of games do not use RT in the 7900XT is nowhere near a 4k144hz gpu.... Now if someone is ok turning a bunch of settings down sure....... But just going by reviews from sources I actually trust you'd need something at least 50% faster to at min claim its a 4k144hz gpu....

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I could technically claim my 3080ti is a 4k144 gpu also but it really isn't not even my 4090 is.... Maybe with Framegen lol.

That is the Games in the reviews running at Ultra. My monitor has a 1000 HDR mode and I usually only change the Vsync settings but Ultra is not necessary. Reviews consist of exactly the same Games across the board and if you look at the Games I play they rarely correspond to that. Some people don't believe how good the 7900X3D is at gaming and the only review that I found that was honest about it was Level 1.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

That is the Games in the reviews running at Ultra. My monitor has a 1000 HDR mode and I usually only change the Vsync settings but Ultra is not necessary. Reviews consist of exactly the same Games across the board and if you look at the Games I play they rarely correspond to that. Some people don't believe how good the 7900X3D is at gaming and the only review that I found that was honest about it was Level 1.

You have an awesome PC with one of the best 4k GPU there is no need to defend it or your CPU everyone has a target for how they want to play games/use their PC as long as your pc is hitting that target it really doesn't matter what I say or anyone else says.

 

[AusWolf]

You have an awesome PC with one of the best 4k GPU there is no need to defend it or your CPU everyone has a target for how they want to play games/use their PC as long as your pc is hitting that target it really doesn't matter what I say or anyone else says.

Let this be the conclusion.

Every PC is a 4K PC if it plays your games at your settings at 4K. I'm pretty sure my GT 1030 could play Half-Life at 4K (I'll have to test this). Review charts only serve as a comparison, not to decide what's objectively good and what isn't. This is why one doesn't simply suggest others hardware to buy without first asking what the intended use would be.

 

[Vayra86]

That is the Games in the reviews running at Ultra. My monitor has a 1000 HDR mode and I usually only change the Vsync settings but Ultra is not necessary. Reviews consist of exactly the same Games across the board and if you look at the Games I play they rarely correspond to that. Some people don't believe how good the 7900X3D is at gaming and the only review that I found that was honest about it was Level 1.

This applies to most GPUs though, you can indeed tweak settings and get your desired target. 7900XT is certainly good but its not a unicorn And ofc, high end GPUs have high versatility. Youre not limited much, practically, unless you must jam every slider to the far right at the highest res. This quality isnt there much in the midrange; but thats a quality of the gpu segment not the individual product...

 

[AusWolf]

Since RX 7000 is the paragon of human virtue without equal past or present, it is most resplendent in love, tributes and accolades. Waking or sleeping, I must not forget RX 7000’s great boon and in order to return its favour by day and by night, I should only think of fulfilling my loyalty.

What is RX 7000?

For the blind, it is their vision. For the deaf, it is their music. For the mute, it is their voice. For the anosmiac, it is their aroma. For the numb, it is their feeling. For the atrophied, it is their muscle.

For the starved, it is their sustenance. For the thirsty, it is their water. For the exhausted, it is their energy.

For the depressed, it is their happiness. For the disillusioned, it is their hope. For the pessimistic, it is their optimism.

For the disadvantaged, it is their champion. For the marginalised, it is their justice. For the oppressed, it is their salvation.

For the righteous, it is their symbol. For the enlightened, it is their muse. For the erudite, it is their education.

If RX 7000 speaks, I listen. If RX 7000 questions, I answer. If RX 7000 orders, I obey.

If RX 7000 opines, I agree. If RX 7000 fears, I assure. If RX 7000 hopes, I dream.

If RX 7000 is happy, I am jubilant. If RX 7000 is angry, I am apoplectic. If RX 7000 is sad, I am disconsolate.

RX 7000 is my ideal, RX 7000 is my romance, RX 7000 is my passion.

RX 7000 is my strength, RX 7000 is my compass, RX 7000 is my destination.

RX 7000 is my language, RX 7000 is my culture, RX 7000 is my religion.

RX 7000 is my ocean, RX 7000 is my mountain, RX 7000 is my sky, RX 7000 is my air, RX 7000 is my sun, RX 7000 is my moon, RX 7000 is my world.

RX 7000 is history, RX 7000 is present, RX 7000 is future.

If RX 7000 has a million fans, I am one of them. If RX 7000 has a thousand fans, I am one of them. If RX 7000 has a hundred fans, I am one of them. If RX 7000 has ten fans, I am one of them. If RX 7000 has only one fan, that is me. If RX 7000 has no fans, I no longer exist.

If the whole universe is for RX 7000, then I am for the whole universe. If the whole universe is against RX 7000, then I am against the whole universe.

I will love, cherish, and protect RX 7000 until my very last breath; my successors will love, cherish and protect RX 7000 until their very last breath.

I don't know how much of it is true, but you deserve cheers for the effort. Well played, sir!

 

[gffermari]

Since RX 7000 is the paragon of human virtue without equal past or present, it is most resplendent in love, tributes and accolades. Waking or sleeping, I must not forget RX 7000’s great boon and in order to return its favour by day and by night, I should only think of fulfilling my loyalty.

What is RX 7000?

For the blind, it is their vision. For the deaf, it is their music. For the mute, it is their voice. For the anosmiac, it is their aroma. For the numb, it is their feeling. For the atrophied, it is their muscle.

For the starved, it is their sustenance. For the thirsty, it is their water. For the exhausted, it is their energy.

For the depressed, it is their happiness. For the disillusioned, it is their hope. For the pessimistic, it is their optimism.

For the disadvantaged, it is their champion. For the marginalised, it is their justice. For the oppressed, it is their salvation.

For the righteous, it is their symbol. For the enlightened, it is their muse. For the erudite, it is their education.

If RX 7000 speaks, I listen. If RX 7000 questions, I answer. If RX 7000 orders, I obey.

If RX 7000 opines, I agree. If RX 7000 fears, I assure. If RX 7000 hopes, I dream.

If RX 7000 is happy, I am jubilant. If RX 7000 is angry, I am apoplectic. If RX 7000 is sad, I am disconsolate.

RX 7000 is my ideal, RX 7000 is my romance, RX 7000 is my passion.

RX 7000 is my strength, RX 7000 is my compass, RX 7000 is my destination.

RX 7000 is my language, RX 7000 is my culture, RX 7000 is my religion.

RX 7000 is my ocean, RX 7000 is my mountain, RX 7000 is my sky, RX 7000 is my air, RX 7000 is my sun, RX 7000 is my moon, RX 7000 is my world.

RX 7000 is history, RX 7000 is present, RX 7000 is future.

If RX 7000 has a million fans, I am one of them. If RX 7000 has a thousand fans, I am one of them. If RX 7000 has a hundred fans, I am one of them. If RX 7000 has ten fans, I am one of them. If RX 7000 has only one fan, that is me. If RX 7000 has no fans, I no longer exist.

If the whole universe is for RX 7000, then I am for the whole universe. If the whole universe is against RX 7000, then I am against the whole universe.

I will love, cherish, and protect RX 7000 until my very last breath; my successors will love, cherish and protect RX 7000 until their very last breath.

Ok, I think that summarizes all the posts in this topic.
Mods may close it for the sake of its majesty, the RX 7000.

 

[wheresmycar]

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....and yet your system specs show a RX 580

 

[Raven Rampkin]

....and yet your system specs show a RX 580

It's a copypasta yo, but yes I still have the 580. Current daily is a 3050 laptop though
I just saw this thread on the main yesterday and felt ticked off enough to chime in with snarky input (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

 

[G777]

I had the RX 7600. It can *almost* run CP2077 at 4K with FSR Performance, and that's pretty impressive to me.

I ended up returning it for a RX 6750 XT because everyone online seemed to be pushing for that, and it turned out to be a pretty big disappointment. The version I got (MSI Mech 2X) was built way worse than the Gigabyte RX 7600 and only performed around 10-15% better for 25% more money. Ultimately, I returned the 6750 XT as well.

That experience really made me appreciate the RX 7600, probably a lot more than most people on tech forums/Reddit.

 

[AusWolf]

I had the RX 7600. It can *almost* run CP2077 at 4K with FSR Performance, and that's pretty impressive to me.

I ended up returning it for a RX 6750 XT because everyone online seemed to be pushing for that, and it turned out to be a pretty big disappointment. The version I got (MSI Mech 2X) was built way worse than the Gigabyte RX 7600 and only performed around 10-15% better for 25% more money. Ultimately, I returned the 6750 XT as well.

That experience really made me appreciate the RX 7600, probably a lot more than most people on tech forums/Reddit.

Some people get obsessed with small differences for no reason. A lot of times I see a reviewer (especially on YouTube) huffing and puffing about how crappy a card is that is only 10% worse than another card that the same reviewer glorified to heavens, and I'm just there thinking "what the heck". Do you really feel 10%? I don't.

Ultimately, one should look at performance charts, read about architectural novelties, and skip the conclusion (it's usually just a rant anyway), and take what other people say with a pinch (or more like a pound) of salt. Many people recite what they hear and read in reviews without having any first-hand experience, even if said review is a bunch of BS.

 

[Space Lynx]

@Vya Domus or anyone here, gpu-z bus interface shows PCIex16 4.0 @x16 4.0, and it shows it this way 24/7, is this normal?

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

@Vya Domus or anyone here, gpu-z bus interface shows PCIex16 4.0 @x16 4.0, and it shows it this way 24/7, is this normal?

I know mine also does?.

 

[Space Lynx]

I know mine also does?.

It must be normal then, I won't worry about it. Thanks.

Also, I just ran 3dmark time spy again, I scored 215 more points than reference xtx in graphics score. Not bad for a $580 after tax gpu. Eat your heart out 4090 1700 dollar gpus.

My first time getting "legendary" score in time spy. Fun times.

 

[Macro Device]

0. Extreme CPU dependency. Ada needs a yet to exist super speedy CPU to release its full potential.
1. Ridiculously narrow VRAM bus. 384 bit, even paired with GDDR6X, is not enough for this GPU. 4090, be it a 512-bit GPU, would be making wonders.
2. "Crutch" cache is helping when you play at lower resolutions (where you are already extremely CPU bound in case of RTX 4090) and is slowing things down when you play at 4K and higher.

 

[Vya Domus]

@Vya Domus or anyone here, gpu-z bus interface shows PCIex16 4.0 @x16 4.0, and it shows it this way 24/7, is this normal?

Yeah same.

 

[AnotherReader]

0. Extreme CPU dependency. Ada needs a yet to exist super speedy CPU to release its full potential.
1. Ridiculously narrow VRAM bus. 384 bit, even paired with GDDR6X, is not enough for this GPU. 4090, be it a 512-bit GPU, would be making wonders.
2. "Crutch" cache is helping when you play at lower resolutions (where you are already extremely CPU bound in case of RTX 4090) and is slowing things down when you play at 4K and higher.

I don't think it's the CPU or cache. Even in raytracing, the 4090 doesn't beat the 4080 by the margin it should. The best case in TPU's most recent review is Control at 4k where the 4090 is 40% faster. It's obviously not CPU limited as the same CPU gives over 3 times the fps at 1080p. The large L2 cache is good for caching the entire TLAS of the BVH in CyberPunk: at 11 MB, it is small enough to fit in even the 4060's L2. The entire BVH is too large, but even caching part of the BVH will reduce trips to memory.

 

[wolf]

That part is definitely, definitely not true. Lots of games look like ass at native due to TAA. Hwunboxed tested this, and in half the game dlss just straight up looks better than native.

While I can grant less so at 1080p, it definitely looks excellent at 1080p, a rival for native easily, with more frames. Hearing people continually deny that it can exceed Native+TAA gets very tiring.

As for RX7000, if the upcoming 7800 and 7700 series have improved the MCM interconnects, are priced well and perform well, it could elevate the whole line-up into being perceived better, but it remains to be seen.

 

[cmguigamf]

The 7900 XTX is available for cheaper but generally Radeons sell a lot less than NVIDIA cards here, primarily because AIBs tend to have a good representation, particularly Galax, who employs Ronaldo Buassali, an experienced overclocker and the guy who runs our largest hardware channel, TecLab. I also know the guy that represents MSI here, upstanding fellow.
Bought a 4080 Strix OC White recently.... basically 10K shipped from Pichau. Ouch. Good thing selling my old 3090 paid for half of it. On average the 4080 is still a decent chunk more expensive than the XTX's. Have you checked Pichau recently? Some going as "low" as 6699. KaBuM had the Sapphire Nitro+ XTX for 7159 the other day, a little under 7K if you have their ninja subscription. Considered the MSRP of those cards, the price is not too out of range.

tbf that depends whether you buy from the big 3 only (Kabum, Tera, Pichau). Checking the placasdevideo price tracker thing, if you're fine getting cards from other, still reputable sellers, there are some Galax ST, PNY XLR8 and MSI Ventus 3X 4080s going for around the same price as Phantom Gaming and Hellhound XTX models, give or take 200 BRL, if you pay it all upfront instead of instalments.

The 7900XTX MSI from Pichau rn isn't too bad of a deal, shame that selling my RX 560 wouldn't pay for even a tenth of it

PS: I just wish Powercolor, Sapphire and AsRock (on their GPU department) offered longer warranties here. That would solve half of the problems brazilians have with buying AMD.

 

[Dr. Dro]

tbf that depends whether you buy from the big 3 only (Kabum, Tera, Pichau). Checking the placasdevideo price tracker thing, if you're fine getting cards from other, still reputable sellers, there are some Galax ST, PNY XLR8 and MSI Ventus 3X 4080s going for around the same price as Phantom Gaming and Hellhound XTX models, give or take 200 BRL, if you pay it all upfront instead of instalments.

The 7900XTX MSI from Pichau rn isn't too bad of a deal, shame that selling my RX 560 wouldn't pay for even a tenth of it

PS: I just wish Powercolor, Sapphire and AsRock (on their GPU department) offered longer warranties here. That would solve half of the problems brazilians have with buying AMD.

Oof, I feel you. My 3090 paid half of my 4080... and you'd call that a bad deal anywhere but in our country

There *was* the PNY 4090 Uprising for 9999 at Kabum the day I got my card - same I dropped on the 4080 Strix OC White - but that's like, the worst and the ugliest 4090 you could get... and I sold my 3090 to get away from basic designs to begin with.