What is the point of 9800X3D in 4k? Isn't 9950X better at the same price?

[phanbuey]

Are you using DLAA and 4k too? 5090 not sure, could be the settings its 4am here too late to do anything else now lol.

What operating system do you use?

 

[Frizz]

What operating system do you use?

Win 11 Pro latwst Memory Integrity is off unless it turned itself on again when I changed the HW

 

[phanbuey]

Win 11 Pro latwst Memory Integrity is off unless it turned itself on again when I changed the HW

Memory integrity no longer turns off VBS - turn off virtualization in the bios and test again - you may find a bunch more FPS. Check sysinfo.

 

[JustBenching]

Are you using DLAA and 4k too? 5090 not sure, could be the settings its 4am here too late to do anything else now lol.

Here is my video, same area and similar build to yours, its maxed out but im using DLSS Performance - im changing to native at the end.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

So.. yeah overall there's a significant difference even in single player games that screenshots and end result numbers can't justify even in 4K, I am enlightened . Below is my video of the difference I saw in 4K.

Yay. Golf clap.
Super fast shipping too! In just hours you had the hardware in hand and installed. That is impressive!!

Bad ass cpu ain't it??

 

[Frizz]

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Memory integrity no longer turns off VBS - turn off virtualization in the bios and test again - you may find a bunch more FPS. Check sysinfo.

Yes it was still enabled lmao, skill issue. Seeing 290 to 300fps now mainly in PoE2

I had to disable something in regedit as well damn means I had it on the whole time while I had my 265k installed .

Thanks for the tip!

 

[phanbuey]

Does VBS Still TANK Gaming Performance in Windows 11?

Yeah so the biggest difference will be in the 1% lows. This new Windows 11 + VBS doesn't make a huge difference in averages ~10% but the 1% and .1% lows take an absolute beating.

 

[wolf]

This is simple. For a gaming focussed build, get the better gaming CPU, that's the 9800X3D.

For gaming, it will always be faster than a 9950X when the CPU is limiting performance in any way. When pushing against any games CPU bounds, be it max FPS, min, avg, 1% lows and stutter etc, the X3D will provide better results. The only thing a many core CPU will do better is give you a shorter shader compilation at first boot/new drivers.

I can say from my own personal experience, moving from a 5800X3D to 9800X3D felt like a large uplift even with a 3080, targeting 4K too. Every single game played better, some by a significant amount, it was so starkly obvious that everything about the game was smoother.

To me this is a no brainer. You don't talk about productivity work, just the extra cores, which will not give a gaming benefit that exceeds the benefit of the VCache.

 

[mb194dc]

This is simple. For a gaming focussed build, get the better gaming CPU, that's the 9800X3D.

For gaming, it will always be faster than a 9950X when the CPU is limiting performance in any way. When pushing against any games CPU bounds, be it max FPS, min, avg, 1% lows and stutter etc, the X3D will provide better results. The only thing a many core CPU will do better is give you a shorter shader compilation at first boot/new drivers.

I can say from my own personal experience, moving from a 5800X3D to 9800X3D felt like a large uplift even with a 3080, targeting 4K too. Every single game played better, some by a significant amount, it was so starkly obvious that everything about the game was smoother.

To me this is a no brainer. You don't talk about productivity work, just the extra cores, which will not give a gaming benefit that exceeds the benefit of the VCache

Are you playing older titles? Did the fps actually increase or just felt better?

 

[wolf]

Are you playing older titles? Did the fps actually increase or just felt better?

The uplift is mostly in newer games, older games already played excessively well on a 5800X3D. I didn't record 'strict' benchmarks, but uplifts ranged from 5-40 fps, but stacked more so in 1% lows and consistency, load times, general snappiness and fluidity of the games, most games picked up 3-10 fps average tho too. Zero doubt in my mind literally everything felt and played better.

 

[Hydra360ci]

in what way is it better at 4k

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GPU is the limiting factor/bottleneck at 4k and beyond... That's why all the FPS are the same in that chart. You need to bottleneck the GPU to get a CPU benchmark comparison.

Anyways... as far as productivity is concerned... (stuff that does better with lots of cores) Intel still holds that crown, even with their end of cycle LGA1700 socket. And power hungry consumption and heat, and with the MB bios voltage hickup they been having.

Currently, I think the safe generations Intel wise is the 12th generation. Ryzen AM5 is the beginning of it's socket cycle (and uses less power and creates less heat)... so, it's a safer buy. But if you're like me and hold on to your builds for 10+ years... then... Intel's LGA-1700 socket, shouldn't matter. The older 12 gen are much cheaper than AMD and productivity is much better... gaming wise though.... AMD holds the crown with the 9800x3d, though. Due to it's much faster cache access for it's main core.

 

[Frizz]

GPU is the limiting factor/bottleneck at 4k and beyond... That's why all the FPS are the same in that chart. You need to bottleneck the GPU to get a CPU benchmark comparison.

Anyways... as far as productivity is concerned... (stuff that does better with lots of cores) Intel still holds that crown, even with their end of cycle LGA1700 socket. And power hungry consumption and heat, and with the MB bios voltage hickup they been having.

Currently, I think the safe generations Intel wise is the 12th generation. Ryzen AM5 is the beginning of it's socket cycle (and uses less power and creates less heat)... so, it's a safer buy. But if you're like me and hold on to your builds for 10+ years... then... Intel's LGA-1700 socket, shouldn't matter. The older 12 gen are much cheaper than AMD and productivity is much better... gaming wise though.... AMD holds the crown with the 9800x3d, though. Due to it's much faster cache access for it's main core.

I want to just say that 9800X3D doesnt give a sh*t about which cooler you have, this thing ignores my custom loop at load .

 

[outlw6669]

GPU is the limiting factor/bottleneck at 4k and beyond...

My 5800X and RTX 5090 combo would like to have a word with you

Generally speaking, I would agree with you.
At 4K, the bottleneck is usually going to be the GPU... usually.
That said, especially if you are chasing high frame rates, there is a very high probability that you will be using DLSS/FSR/XeSS, which does shift quite a bit more load to the CPU.
Even without using upscaling, though, having a better CPU is still beneficial, as it can ensure that the GPU is fully fed, with a minimum of stalls (think: 1% and 0.1% lows).

To the OP:
I would also recommend the 9800X3D, if you are primarily gaming, or doing light productivity work, on your system.
Even if you do not see a large benefit now, it will allow you to keep your platform quite a bit longer, without having too much performance lost from future GPU upgrades.
The *X3D parts really are that much better than the standard CPUs, even at half the cores.

 

[Endymio]

I would also recommend the 9800X3D, if you are primarily gaming, or doing light productivity work, on your system.
Even if you do not see a large benefit now, it will allow you to keep your platform quite a bit longer, without having too much performance lost from future GPU upgrades.
The *X3D parts really are that much better than the standard CPUs, even at half the cores.

In a blind test between those two CPUs, he'll never perceive the slightest difference. There's plenty of applications, however, where the additional cores on the 9950x would be enormous. And over time, games will become optimized for more cores. Five years from now, there'll be many, many more games that benefit from having 16 cores.

I can say from my own personal experience, moving from a 5800X3D to 9800X3D felt like a large uplift even with a 3080...Every single game played better

You jumped two full generations of CPU. He's debating between two versions of the same generation. And still, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that much of what you perceived was sheer placebo effect.

 

[lexluthermiester]

So I am building a new PC for RTX 5090. I was looking for CPU.
9950X is the same price as 9800X3D right now.
What's the point of 9800X3D if I will use my PC only in 4k+?
Isn't it better to go X and have 8 extra cores for the same price?

At 4k, the 9800X3D is not as important as many would say and the review benchmarks back that up. For the money, at 4k, the 9950X is the better choice. Twice as many cores/threads that will last you a lot longer and will be much better for future-proofing your system. The 9950X is the one to choose. My 2 cents.

 

[wolf]

You jumped two full generations of CPU. He's debating between two versions of the same generation

He's debating for a gaming build which CPU to buy, he should buy the best gaming CPU.

And still, I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that much of what you perceived was sheer placebo effect.

And you'd be wrong too, I have enough monitoring to have seen it borne out in the numbers, as well as feeling the drastic improvements.