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When it is no longer updated officailly, i will do it un officially, so no worries, i can debloat it and remove all the crap at the same time.
I do this as well, as the features i lose from modding/rooting tend to matter less with a secondary/old device

fortunately the modern samsungs seem to need less debloating than the old ones (yes theres still preinstalled apps, but not of the always running thrown in your face kind)
 

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No, we don't.

If I have to pay premium for next gen pre-orders this Fall I plan to do so... (cause I think the world is getting close to catastrophe... ) so at least I will have a next gen gaming rig to entertain me for ten years as the world recovers from World War 3... :laugh:
 
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If I have to pay premium for next gen pre-orders this Fall I plan to do so... (cause I think the world is getting close to catastrophe... ) so at least I will have a next gen gaming rig to entertain me for ten years as the world recovers from World War 3... :laugh:
My point was that some of us still care about GPU prices, also some of us don't buy at launch and some of us keep using what we have for quite a lot of years. I'm still with Polaris card and I don't plan to upgrade it anytime soon. And there's no WW3.
 

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My daily is a iPhone12 but awaiting the infamous iPhone 14 Pro to drop as I Skipped the iPhone 13
 

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My daily is a iPhone12 but awaiting the infamous iPhone 14 Pro to drop as I Skipped the iPhone 13

I am going to try to sell my Samsung A53 when the iphone 14 comes out. I want to move to Apple for my phone stuff, and I am really hoping for an ipad mini OLED edition at some point...

as far as everything else entertainment in my life though it will be PC/LG OLED screen

I am really disliking how much bloat is on my Samsung A53... I uninstalled a bunch of it, but a bunch is still there, like galaxy store stuff... etc, its a bit annoying, especially since I am pretty sure it is collecting all my data... Apple is really the only secure OS there is for phones imo
 
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I have 128gb plus a 256gb SD in my S20 plus so not really fussed about the bloat. I just don't run the apps I don't want to use.
 
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I am really disliking how much bloat is on my Samsung A53...

Many brands are way worse and if it bothers you, use adb for further clean up.
 

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I am going to try to sell my Samsung A53 when the iphone 14 comes out. I want to move to Apple for my phone stuff, and I am really hoping for an ipad mini OLED edition at some point...

as far as everything else entertainment in my life though it will be PC/LG OLED screen

I am really disliking how much bloat is on my Samsung A53... I uninstalled a bunch of it, but a bunch is still there, like galaxy store stuff... etc, its a bit annoying, especially since I am pretty sure it is collecting all my data... Apple is really the only secure OS there is for phones imo
I mainly have Apple due to ease of apps, ease of use, the apple ecosystem (Have a iPad Pro and Mac), and long term support
 

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Just upgraded to a Pixel 6 and discovered something of an issue, no, not with the phone as such, but USB-C charging.
The Pixel 6 is USB PD, but apparently it doesn't want to charge properly from older USB-A chargers, at least not QC3.0 compliant chargers.
As such, I have to get a new charger, as so far I haven't splashed out on a USB-C charger.
When connected to a USB-A charger, the phone claimed it would take 11h 30min to charge from around 60% to full, so it's not as if it's just charging slower, it's charging at a crawl.
Luckily my powerbank has USB-C and PD support and it charged just fine from it.
 
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-points to Apple ease of use for not having drag and drop yet to add music files. Not exactly ease of use having to use itunes to add just a few tracks when it can take seconds to do it on android.
 

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Just upgraded to a Pixel 6 and discovered something of an issue, no, not with the phone as such, but USB-C charging.
The Pixel 6 is USB PD, but apparently it doesn't want to charge properly from older USB-A chargers, at least not QC3.0 compliant chargers.
As such, I have to get a new charger, as so far I haven't splashed out on a USB-C charger.
When connected to a USB-A charger, the phone claimed it would take 11h 30min to charge from around 60% to full, so it's not as if it's just charging slower, it's charging at a crawl.
Luckily my powerbank has USB-C and PD support and it charged just fine from it.
PD is specifically C to C only.

QC 3.0 is unique to qualcomm hardware - it's qualcomms proprietary quickcharge technology, where USB PD is a part of the USB standards.
Samsung moved to USB C connectors for a while there, while still using qualcomms QC tech (to be fair, i dont think they'd finalised it at that stage)

Depending on the cable you used (especially if you used any type of clunky adaptors) you have have been limited to generic USB 2.0's 480mv
 

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PD is specifically C to C only.

QC 3.0 is unique to qualcomm hardware - it's qualcomms proprietary quickcharge technology, where USB PD is a part of the USB standards.
Samsung moved to USB C connectors for a while there, while still using qualcomms QC tech (to be fair, i dont think they'd finalised it at that stage)

Depending on the cable you used (especially if you used any type of clunky adaptors) you have have been limited to generic USB 2.0's 480mv
I presume you mean 500mA?

I'm aware of QC being Qualcomm, I should've been more clear here, as I assumed there was some kind of fallback mode, beyond what appears to be 5V/1A, but apparently that's the common fallback mode for chargers.
Ordered a "fancy" USB PD GaN charger that should hopefully last a few years.
 

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I presume you mean 500mA?

I'm aware of QC being Qualcomm, I should've been more clear here, as I assumed there was some kind of fallback mode, beyond what appears to be 5V/1A, but apparently that's the common fallback mode for chargers.
Ordered a "fancy" USB PD GaN charger that should hopefully last a few years.
5V 1A is a common fallback for modern chargers, but the spec is actually 500mv (in testing, it always seems to run around 480mv and thats why that number stuck in my head)

Basically, if the devices cant negotiate (shitty type C to anything else adaptors can do this) they can drop to 2.5W or 5W charging

I've got the type A to C cords my pixel phones came with that support the 5V standards just fine, but they're USB 2.0 and designed for 5V 3A and 9V 1.5A - throw them onto my S22U, and they default to 5V, but at least manage the 3A output.

Using my higher quality 10Gb rated type C-C cables, the higher voltage charging works - the device and charger can negotiate for the range of voltages the USB-PD-PPS standards allow, which are 5-11V, 5-16V and 5-20V (It's not fixed and static any longer, they specify what voltage they want in real time)
 
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5V 1A is a common fallback for modern chargers, but the spec is actually 500mv (in testing, it always seems to run around 480mv and thats why that number stuck in my head)

Basically, if the devices cant negotiate (shitty type C to anything else adaptors can do this) they can drop to 2.5W or 5W charging

I've got the type A to C cords my pixel phones came with that support the 5V standards just fine, but they're USB 2.0 and designed for 5V 3A and 9V 1.5A - throw them onto my S22U, and they default to 5V, but at least manage the 3A output.

Using my higher quality 10Gb rated type C-C cables, the higher voltage charging works - the device and charger can negotiate for the range of voltages the USB-PD-PPS standards allow, which are 5-11V, 5-16V and 5-20V (It's not fixed and static any longer, they specify what voltage they want in real time)

I charge my s20+ using a C-C cable from the rear C port on my PC, i have no idea what voltage or A it charges at, but assuming it will be just 5V 1A
 
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-points to Apple ease of use for not having drag and drop yet to add music files. Not exactly ease of use having to use itunes to add just a few tracks when it can take seconds to do it on android.
Don't get me on iTunes. I've had the misfortune of owning two iPhones over the years - iPhone 3G in 2011 and a 6S. The 3G wouldn't communicate with any other Bluetooth device if it wasn't Apple and the 6S, whilst not being downright terrible, was just dull and boring.
iTunes has to be the cruddiest piece of phone/hardware interface ever produced and is the Son of Satan as far as I'm concerned. I jailbroke both phones just to make them more useable and even then, I couldn't wait to get rid of them.
Apple ecosystem? The walled garden which they want to keep that way, so no thanks. Never again.
 
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Xiaomi 11T. And it was a timely purchase too; after a few weeks my old S8's display started dying, and a week after that the display is practically dead lol
 
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MyHiawei p20 Pro broke, I didn't have much to replace it and bought a Samsung Galaxy S10 Lite from ebay for about £120, the seller let me down and cancelled the order (likely realised they could get £50 more) had to wait another week for the refund, ended up buying an Oppo Reno 2 for £110, best phone hands down for the cost, turns out it was the 256GB/8GB version as the seller didn't specify in the auction, condition is very good, hardly a mark on it, the camera's are very good compared to my p20 pro and 10x better than the S7 I was using as a placeholder, it's snappy, looks good, hardly any bloatware, and photos look amazing from the few limited snaps I've taken, love the in-display fingerprint reader, sharkfin selfie camera, glass front and back, 3.5mm headphone jack, 256GB storage, near stock Android experience, 8GB RAM, honestly it was a steal at £110 I feel like apologising to the seller for robbing him lol
 

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I charge my s20+ using a C-C cable from the rear C port on my PC, i have no idea what voltage or A it charges at, but assuming it will be just 5V 1A
That'd be the minimum it charges at, yeah - but it may go higher
Type A USB 3.0 is 0.9A (4.5W) vs USB 2.0's 500ma (2.5W)

Native type C ports should always be USB 3.1, and should do 5V 3A, for 15W


That said, a lot of the early qualcomm fast charging devices relied on 9V or 12V so they'd be unable to use it beyond their max 5V amperage (5V 2A was common on samsung)


USB 3.2 ports support power delivery with variable voltage from 5V to 20V at 5A (100W max) - but it's an optional spec, so motherboards arent likely to waste the money on it (In the future i assume USB 4.0 ports might do so)
 

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And another post since my technobabble scared everyone:

I hate to pixel bash after 5 years of supporting them but something changed with their attitude and they're cutting corners everywhere these days - with problems discovered in one generation of phones simply covered up with quick hacks and not actually fixed for future models.

Since their first-party phone cases and manufacturing issues came out i've gotten bored and annoyed and listed together all the issues I've encountered over the years since i retired my still perfectly working original Pixel XL - what I've noticed is that it's VERY VERY HARD to find all these issues listed anywhere coherently - if I hadn't been suffering them and fighting my way through reddit to diagnose them, I'd have been unaware of what was happening and why. Even now, it took effort and knowing the exact catchphrases 'green tint 90hz' 'camera stopped responding' etc or I'd never have been able to find these examples again.

A TL;DR summary:
Pixel 1 was great. unlimited full quality cloud storage, no hardware issues.
Pixel 2 had serious camera hardware issues - and they let it continue, coming back to reoccur on the pixel 3 and 4 as well
Pixel 2 XL had screen issues unique to its LG provided display, and could have permanent screen burn-in in less than a week
Pixel 3 had serious screen issues with burn in, or just turning yellow in the sun as well as flickering lines (This was not entirely fixed with the Pixel 4 series, my 4XL still had smearing if brightness was low)
Pixel 4's had the faulty battery drama i posted through the thread already, as well as issues with the screen - when the 90Hz refresh rate was active everything tinted green and smearing became an issue at low brightness. Googles eventual fix was to simply disable 90Hz when brightness was low, which personally felt like a major copout (despite pretty much disabling a major hardware feature of the phone unless you're in direct sunlight, google didn't deem this to be RMA worth or refund worthy)

This is the green-screen issue on two identical phones, one at 60Hz one at 90Hz - it's not mild (not my image, i only had one phone at the time) - with the dynamic 60-90Hz switching the phone used you'd see it flickering back and forth between these two states constantly.
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I've had three 4XL's fail with faulty batteries (all three had the above 90Hz green tint, with the software updates forcing higher brightness and 90Hz to hide it), my Ex-wifes 3A and our ex-best-mans 4A both got replaced last year because of a combination of battery issues (inaccurate battery readings) and just crashing the network/modem randomly requiring hard resets to reconnect, or in the case of the 4A it totally lost wifi and bluetooth, but was refused warranty as a 'software issue'

Onto the new-news!


These are the official, expensive and pricey Google branded cases:
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People have even found misaligned hole punches for the front facing camera, and this just screams lack of quality control - even automated systems should have seen this
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It's not a one-off either, with people noticing their phones had oddities with the hole punches on the pixel 5, as well (But mostly covered up by that black circular sticker, which may be why its there)
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This ones worse, far far worse: the top right corner hole punch on a brand new phone is clearly a perfect circle (or a cut off part of one) - so you can at least argue for warranty.
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The problem? They very fast start 'bleeding' and the owners get denied warranty because of user error damaging the screen
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I'm okay with any brand having issues.
How i judge them is on how they respond - and googles answer to these issues (faulty batteries on the 4 series, bad displays on 5 and 6, faulty cases etc) has been to deny warranty every single time, unless local law prevented them
 
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I hate to pixel bash after 5 years of supporting them but something changed with their attitude and they're cutting corners everywhere these days
To be fair, Google has always been like that. Nexus devices also had tons of problems and Google gave zero fucks about them. Nexus 7 that I had was a lemon. Nexus 4 was plagued with problems. Nexus 5 was poor too. At that point I gave up on Google forever. Embarassingly, it wasn't just hardware either. My Nexus 7 got Android 5 software update that ruined device. It started to have charging issues, battery drain issues, performance issues, made colors washed out, had some random dimming problems, despite brightness being manually controlled. And there wasn't any patch, any update after that, essentially leaving me with nearly bricked tablet. Charging issue was so bad that it took nearly whole day to charge it and around 4 hours of YT to drain it. Ever since then not only I boycott any Google phone, but also any Asus phone. Since it seems that situation with neither changes.
 

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To be fair, Google has always been like that. Nexus devices also had tons of problems and Google gave zero fucks about them. Nexus 7 that I had was a lemon. Nexus 4 was plagued with problems. Nexus 5 was poor too. At that point I gave up on Google forever. Embarassingly, it wasn't just hardware either. My Nexus 7 got Android 5 software update that ruined device. It started to have charging issues, battery drain issues, performance issues, made colors washed out, had some random dimming problems, despite brightness being manually controlled. And there wasn't any patch, any update after that, essentially leaving me with nearly bricked tablet. Charging issue was so bad that it took nearly whole day to charge it and around 4 hours of YT to drain it. Ever since then not only I boycott any Google phone, but also any Asus phone. Since it seems that situation with neither changes.
I gave them leeway back then, because prior to the pixel they were reselling someone elses devices - not designing their own at all.
In the spirit of honesty i'm doing a full product list of the nexus devices and issues i know about or can easily find - without knowing the catchphrases etc, i'm sure i'll miss many of the known issues back then.

One common example was bootlooping due to faulty flash memory, but that plagued *every* smarthphone and tech device back then either due to low TBW (GBW? MBW?) on early flash memory, faulty solder (cough samsung cough) or actual firmware/bootloader bugs


Samsung S4 google edition was a firmware flash away from the regular S4 when you bypassed samsungs region locks
The LG designed nexus devices were the ones with the biggest issues at the time, and that came back with the LG display issues on the Pixel 2XL

I had no first hand experience with the earliest nexus devices, they werent available here in Au.

Nexus one was HTC
Nexus S was samsung
Galaxy nexus was samsung
Nexus 4 was LG (Had erratic display/touchscreen issues)
Nexus 5 was LG, and the first nexus i owned. It had serious GPS issues, but since i got it second hand, i didnt realise this was a known issue
Nexus 6 was motorola, and had a great reputation overall
Nexus 5x was back to LG (bootloop issues, a real plague at the time)
Nexus 6P by Huawei: My dad owned this until recently, and it was fantastic. He had a faulty charger cable catch fire and damage the socket, until then it was flawless and what made me try my Pixel 1 in the first place.

I had a second hand 2012 Nexus 7 (Asus) for a few years before my son broke it, but as we got it second hand i never assumed any issues it had were design related, instead assuming they were toddler related.

Nexus 7 models (2012 and 2013) were both Asus, while the 9 was HTC and the 10 was samsung.


It is at this point that i think i'm having a stronk as i read this quote:
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And my brain promptly shut down, told me Nexus is not a word and i've never seen it or read it before. I'm stopping now before i stronk out and smell burnt toast.
 
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I gave them leeway back then, because prior to the pixel they were reselling someone elses devices - not designing their own at all.
In the spirit of honesty i'm doing a full product list of the nexus devices and issues i know about or can easily find - without knowing the catchphrases etc, i'm sure i'll miss many of the known issues back then.
Yeah, I know.

One common example was bootlooping due to faulty flash memory, but that plagued *every* smarthphone and tech device back then either due to low TBW (GBW? MBW?) on early flash memory, faulty solder (cough samsung cough) or actual firmware/bootloader bugs
Somehow haven't heard of that happening on any other brand.


Samsung S4 google edition was a firmware flash away from the regular S4 when you bypassed samsungs region locks
The LG designed nexus devices were the ones with the biggest issues at the time, and that came back with the LG display issues on the Pixel 2XLs
The only functional "Nexus".


I had a second hand 2012 Nexus 7 (Asus) for a few years before my son broke it, but as we got it second hand i never assumed any issues it had were design related, instead assuming they were toddler related.

Nexus 7 models (2012 and 2013) were both Asus, while the 9 was HTC and the 10 was samsung.
Nexus 7 (2012) had quality control issues. Screen lift was QA issue, poor screen calibration was QA issue, nearly 90C of Tegra 3 chip was actually withing a spec, but imo that's crazy for portable device, no camera app was just Google's own neglect, no Gorilla glass was just PR fail (it had some anti-scratch Corning glass). Nexus 7 was dumpster fire with only remarkable features being Tegra 3 (meaning ability to run GTA Vice City) and low price, otherwise unremarkable.
 
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Good write ups @Mussels

Well i'm gonna go buy a pixel.........................Not

Whatever problems there are with samsung, i have never really had any myself. Really enjoyed the s6, s7. and s10 plus, and have had zero issues with the s20 plus. Not sure about the 21/22 as they are out of my price range(for now)
 
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