What would you do - 5800X3D or 7800X3D?

[wheresmycar]

Seeing todays 7950X3D CCD1 disabled review, i guess we get a pretty good idea how the 7800X3D will shine.

@1440p which is my current and extended choice of gaming resolution the 7000 series X3D pulls away from 5000-series X3D with an average gain of 15%

Here's where i am,

- Currently driving a 9700K + 2080 TI for gaming
- I have a spare 500-series AM4 system left by my brother in our storage (no graphics card but everything else intact)
- I fancy AM5's 3 year+ support but it does put a hefty ask on the wallet (no problem though)
- evidently, the 5800X3D would be the more cost effective approach but on a dead platform
- either combo achieves the desired performance target but more is always nice

So... "what would you do?"

Seeing comments all over the web, i guess the 5800X3D cost effectiveness makes sense but any arguments for shifting up a gear to AM5 + DDR5 + X3D? If it helps, i was planning on moving to a 40-series card to pair up with my GSYNC display but current prices for the big stuff are discouraging.... maybe in the coming months if prices drop further or next Gen.

 

[kapone32]

The 5800X3D is a Great chip.....If you don't plan on upgrading your system. We are on the first generation of AM5 and what getting an X3D AM5 chip would mean is flexibility as you will be able to change MB, CPU or RAM to your heart's desire. The fact is that I was looking for RTS numbers and when Wendell from Level 1 said that you could do a 4 day turn in Stellaris in less than a second I was sold. I can't wait to play TWWH3 Immortal Empires by Friday when everything is here.

 

[A Computer Guy]

If you will be satisfied with the 500 series motherboard then...

• 5800X3D
  • Save money for better GPU <=== this one
  • Most bugs worked out
  • On sale right now at newegg! HOT
• 7800X3D
  • Maximum performance
  • Growing pains

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[GreiverBlade]

well ... given my current rig ... the 5800X3D make more sense ... but if my mobo/RAM go poof before i can get a 5800X3D ... i might just change the whole setup and get a 7800X3D ...

in short : 5800X3D because of my B550 mobo

obviously in your shoes, due to the extra 500 series mobo you have my answer would be same as i would do.

 

[phanbuey]

7800x3d if new.. 5800x3d if drop in upgrade. so - 7800x3D in this case

 

[tussinman]

Since you already have a 500 series system in storage then just do the 5800X3D

15% increase sounds cool but thats on a $1600+ graphics card and in reality 170fps average vs 200 isn't that big of a deal. If you end up with a 4070 tier card or lower then the difference will be signfantly less

 

[McM4r]

Is 15% in majority of synthetic benchmarks, real world could be even less, as many says: 5800x3d is a great chip! and it will age well for sure. I'm only hope your brother's mobo is a x570 based chipset.

 

[gffermari]

...if you didn't have the AM4 mobo, I would say to go all in for 7800X3D.
The fact that the 5800X3D is miles cheaper now than 6 months ago when I bought it, makes it difficult choice.
Probably I would choose the 5800X3D, just for the convenience of just dropping the cpu and you're done.

 

[Space Lynx]

Is 15% in majority of synthetic benchmarks, real world could be even less, as many says: 5800x3d is a great chip! and it will age well for sure. I'm only hope your brother's mobo is a x570 based chipset.

why would a x570 chipset matter over a b550 for 5800x3d? performance is same as far as i can tell, as long as you have a decent b550.

 

[tabascosauz]

Seeing todays 7950X3D CCD1 disabled review, i guess we get a pretty good idea how the 7800X3D will shine.

@1440p which is my current and extended choice of gaming resolution the 7000 series X3D pulls away from 5000-series X3D with an average gain of 15%

Here's where i am,

- Currently driving a 9700K + 2080 TI for gaming
- I have a spare 500-series AM4 system left by my brother in our storage (no graphics card but everything else intact)
- I fancy AM5's 3 year+ support but it does put a hefty ask on the wallet (no problem though)
- evidently, the 5800X3D would be the more cost effective approach but on a dead platform
- either combo achieves the desired performance target but more is always nice

So... "what would you do?"

Seeing comments all over the web, i guess the 5800X3D cost effectiveness makes sense but any arguments for shifting up a gear to AM5 + DDR5 + X3D? If it helps, i was planning on moving to a 40-series card to pair up with my GSYNC display but current prices for the big stuff are discouraging.... maybe in the coming months if prices drop further or next Gen.

The 1CCD review is pretty clear - any benefits that Zen 4 3D won't really be apparent on this generation of GPUs and CPUs. You have a 2080 Ti. The gap is 5-10fps in lows, with a 4090 at 1080p, and no difference at 4K.

If you're just looking for a way to get past the 9700K's 8 thread penalty, the 5800X3D won't cost much nowadays and will be plenty even if you buy a new GPU.

Application performance is better, obviously, but also expectedly inferior to any of the regular Zen 4 parts, so if it was important enough to outweigh gaming you wouldn't be considering these CPUs anyway.

Only you can decide how much money to sink into AM5. Problem with AM5 (to a degree, LGA1700) is that DDR5 development is far from over. What you buy now is really just for now. Hardware Unboxed's testing already showed that Zen 4 is not insensitive to memory (although V-cache will lessen that reliance a bit).

How memory controllers will be in 3 years and DDR5's state in 3 years will be more of a consideration than on AM4, because DDR4 on AM4 never really progressed to a point where old boards really couldn't keep up. By comparison 12th gen boards already got left in the dust by 13th gen CPUs that do 8000.

Unless AMD somehow intends to stay at 6000-7000MT/s forever, I don't see current AM5 boards aging well (eg. most of MSI's boards are 6-layer hardware). Especially boards that you might buy to "save a buck".

 

[dont whant to set it"']

The AM4 one with 5800x3d is 2 legs up your current, one on the cpu side , the second on the PCI-E4 support.

 

[Tomgang]

If you all ready have working AM4 system laying around.

I'll say the 5800X3D is a no Brainer. That is the sensible choice and a lot cheaper and bugs are worked out. That would be my choice. 5800X3d is in most cases really not that much slower than 7950X3D in games.

7800X3D would be faster off cause, but how much faster at what cost and you would be forced to adopt a new platform that might still have some bugs and It is also more expensive. Both memory, motherboard and cpu for what more performance?

I vote 5800X3D in your case for sure.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Frankly I'd wait a year and take another look amd has been known to sit on shipment to keep cost up.
If you want something soon obviously 5800x3d is the only choice and up the memory maybe seeing you didn't mention what you have there.

 

[phanbuey]

yeah the 7800x3d is expensive -- but you're also investing in a platform that will last you through zen 6...

the 5800x3d is already bottlenecking the top end GPUs, so as a new high-end purchase i wouldn't really go for it unless you're getting it very cheap.

 

[Outback Bronze]

I personally would be looking at the 7800X3D, the results tell you why not? While the 5800X3D, as good as it is, it's the older platform that puts me off.

DDR5 is coming way down in price. This is where your future builds are at.

 

[Lew Zealand]

If you'll definitely be buying a 4080 (assuming same price as your 2080 Ti), then I'd go for the 7800X3D. Both of these products look to the future.

If you reasonably likely will stay with the 2080 Ti, then the 5800X3D as a drop-in for your existing board is way more cost-efficient and it will give you all the 1440p performance of the 7800X3D with that older card.

 

[wheresmycar]

thanks, i appreciate everyones input

I totally agree 5800X3D on an existing in-hand build sounds about the most sensible way forward (for now). At the same time i dig the idea of buying into AM5 and then swapping out for something new in 3+ years or longer for discounted SKUs.... also without having to re-install windows/apps/etc. So as always im 50:50

If you'll definitely be buying a 4080 (assuming same price as your 2080 Ti), then I'd go for the 7800X3D. Both of these products look to the future.

If at some point the 4080 can be had for around £800 i'd pull the trigger in a heart beat. I refuse to spend more than £800 hence either 1. Either miraculously the 4080 drops way below MSRP to meet that price point or 2. Might just wait for 5000-series and grab a mid-ranged card unless £800 buys into the XX80 tier. I started 2022 on a positive note to upgrade my GPU but Nvidia/AMD are taking the piss with the prices hence not so enthused as i once was.

Anyway i'm just banging my head against the wall with these 2 options.... im just gonna follow the poll results and have you guys decide for me. Only my TPU Tech family can help

 

[nguyen]

Unless OP is an FPS enthusiast who upgrade CPU every gen, then 7800X3D makes sense, otherwise just go for cost effective builds, save the money for faster GPU.

 

[sLowEnd]

I'd avoid the 5800X3D if you don't already have an AM4 motherboard. It's a good CPU, but its main appeal is it's a great end of life upgrade for an outgoing socket. If you're looking to do a fresh new build, there are newer and better options now. If the 500 series board you have is still good, it might be worth considering the 5800X3D.

 

[Lei]

- evidently, the 5800X3D would be the more cost effective approach but on a dead platform
Seeing comments all over the web, i guess the 5800X3D cost effectiveness makes sense but any arguments for shifting up a gear to AM5 + DDR5 + X3D?

I'd just wait for intel 14700kf, Cezanne is dead and AM5 dies with intel 15th gen nope~
ok, you have options with AM5 couple of years from now, but who would upgrade cpu today and tomorrow again.

 

[Mussels]

5800x3D and four ranks of memory (2x DR or 4x SR) and call it a day - you can save a lot of money for very little real world performance difference, you need a 4080 or above for the 5800x3D to feel like a limit at all

Four ranks at 3200 is the ideal starting point, if you can get higher speed go for it - but dont throw money at small gains, if you already have RAM to use or can get some cheap
(Some tweaking will be required for higher speeds anyway, usually just SoC voltage)

The big strength to the 58x3D is its extremely low wattage with gaming - meaning it will run on even the pure garbage AM4 boards out there trouble free, and even work on a wraith stealth cooler - the total cost to get it and use it is extremely small

 

[wheresmycar]

Unless OP is an FPS enthusiast who upgrade CPU every gen, then 7800X3D makes sense, otherwise just go for cost effective builds, save the money for faster GPU.

nah not every gen maybe 2-3 Gens down the line providing its a nice performance bump in specific titles (which i play)

I'd avoid the 5800X3D if you don't already have an AM4 motherboard. It's a good CPU, but its main appeal is it's a great end of life upgrade for an outgoing socket. If you're looking to do a fresh new build, there are newer and better options now. If the 500 series board you have is still good, it might be worth considering the 5800X3D.

already have a spare AM4 build (absent of GPU). Just a matter of transferring my 2080 TI over.... and preferably a new case with improved airflow.

5800x3D and four ranks of memory (2x DR or 4x SR) and call it a day - you can save a lot of money for very little real world performance difference, you need a 4080 or above for the 5800x3D to feel like a limit at all

Four ranks at 3200 is the ideal starting point, if you can get higher speed go for it - but dont throw money at small gains, if you already have RAM to use or can get some cheap
(Some tweaking will be required for higher speeds anyway, usually just SoC voltage)

The big strength to the 58x3D is its extremely low wattage with gaming - meaning it will run on even the pure garbage AM4 boards out there trouble free, and even work on a wraith stealth cooler - the total cost to get it and use it is extremely small

I've got 4 sticks of 3600/16CL Gskill trident Z RGB @ 32GB (part no: F4-3600C16D-16GTZRC). Thing is, originally these were 2x16GB and i added a second kit a few years later to make 32GB. They work flawlessly on my 9700K build but i hope both kits are equally consistent on AM4. Or is that less of a concern with 3D V-cache?

Looking at the above part number, are these single or dual rank (unfamiliar territory for me)?

 

[Macro Device]

I honestly dunno what game you gotta run to be really handicapped by a properly clocked 9700K, not to mention 5800X3D. I'd invest the whole budget on getting the best GPU possible, 2080 Ti was never exciting and now is humiliated by cards by the name of RX 6800 and RTX 3070 Ti which is hilarious per se. CPU upgrade can wait till 2025 when you can buy some 9000/10000 series Ryzen or 15/16th gen i7. You'll gain a lot more this way.

 

[tabascosauz]

I've got 4 sticks of 3600/16CL Gskill trident Z RGB @ 32GB (part no: F4-3600C16D-16GTZRC). Thing is, originally these were 2x16GB and i added a second kit a few years later to make 32GB. They work flawlessly on my 9700K build but i hope both kits are equally consistent on AM4. Or is that less of a concern with 3D V-cache?

Looking at the above part number, are these single or dual rank (unfamiliar territory for me)?

It's just a CJR kit - dual rank. If the sticker ends in 8820C/8821C then that's just extra confirmation. Should work fine, Vcache lessens more the need for tighter timings, CJR mostly lives in the 3600-3800 CL16 range anyway.

 

[QuietBob]

So, you have a full AM4 build with 32GB CL16 DDR4 and a 2080Ti. You game at 1440p.

The 5800X3D is the obvious choice. You definitely won't be held back by the CPU, even after upgrading your graphics card (unless you only care about maximum fps). You will be able to extract the full performance of the 5800X3D in games as long as you keep it under 75 C. This should be possible with any semi-decent cooler and adequate case airflow. With undervolting, the CPU will top out at only about 100 W, even in heavy MT loads.

To me the choice between committing to a full expensive rig and buying just one reasonably priced component -- for similar gains -- is a no brainer. And with the money you save you'll be better off getting a faster GPU.