What would you do - 5800X3D or 7800X3D?

[Vario]

I'd go for the 7000 series. Get the biggest performance delta over your current system. Either way, would wait for the 7800X3D launch because it will drop the 5800X3D prices.

 

[wheresmycar]

I honestly dunno what game you gotta run to be really handicapped by a properly clocked 9700K, not to mention 5800X3D. I'd invest the whole budget on getting the best GPU possible, 2080 Ti was never exciting and now is humiliated by cards by the name of RX 6800 and RTX 3070 Ti which is hilarious per se. CPU upgrade can wait till 2025 when you can buy some 9000/10000 series Ryzen or 15/16th gen i7. You'll gain a lot more this way.

I'm fully immersed in the battlefield franchise... 2042 is running a little wild with my single threaded 9700K. Good performance and i'm getting around ~100fps which is decent. Only problem being, hard to explain, theres a little lack of visual smoothness in harsh conditions/environments/explosive scenes and in dense scenes although 70-80fps is acceptable the 1% lows hit rock bottom (or below 60). On lower settings the FPS kicks ass but again i feel the lack of smoothness is single thread related. I've played the same game on a 9900K chip and it runs so much smoother.

I don't mind sticking with the 2080 TI and upgrading the GPU later.... maybe a long time later when nvidia pulls their act together and delivers something worthy of a max $800 spend. AMD cards look great too but i prefer NVIDIA to pair up with my gsync panel - but if the price ain't right who knows a 7000-series AMD card might be the way to go.

It's just a CJR kit - dual rank. If the sticker ends in 8820C/8821C then that's just extra confirmation. Should work fine, Vcache lessens more the need for tighter timings, CJR mostly lives in the 3600-3800 CL16 range anyway.

this is what i've got...

its my first time going AMD... hence hope this kit is enough to hit the Zen 3 vermeer X3D sweet spot.

So, you have a full AM4 build with 32GB CL16 DDR4 and a 2080Ti. You game at 1440p.

The 5800X3D is the obvious choice. You definitely won't be held back by the CPU, even after upgrading your graphics card (unless you only care about maximum fps). You will be able to extract the full performance of the 5800X3D in games as long as you keep it under 75 C. This should be possible with any semi-decent cooler and adequate case airflow. With undervolting, the CPU will top out at only about 100 W, even in heavy MT loads.

To me the choice between committing to a full expensive rig and buying just one reasonably priced component -- for similar gains -- is a no brainer. And with the money you save you'll be better off getting a faster GPU.

sound advice!

The undecided chaotic nature of my brain resulted to following the poll... kinda glad the 5800X3D took ~70% votes. I think its done and dusted at this point. I just need to make time and pull out the AM4 build and test it out and update BIOS before pulling the trigger.

If any of you helpful guys are looking for a 3700X/3900X (i'm sure its one of these) for a decent discount i should have one available real soon.

 

[Kodehawa]

5800X3D because I already have an AM4 platform, but CPU performance alone would make me skew over a platform update to the 7800X3D if I needed so.
Depends on what you value the most. The performance of the 5800X3D is plenty, specially if you play at higher than 1080p or with a card that isn't the 4090 at 1080p.

 

[Radxge]

I would go with 5800X3D.

The average gain of 15% (7800X3D vs 5800X3D) at 1440p is not real as ignores limitation due to the monitor.
For example, based on the results of TPU's review, the average increase is 5% when monitor is capped at 144HZ and 1% when monitor is capped at 120HZ.
I think we can all agree that 1-5% is not very significant.

In real life, most modern high-end CPU will provide a similar experience at 1440p and 4K.
It would be more effective to go with a cheaper CPU (5800X3D) and invest the saving in a more powerful graphic card.

 

[Lei]

So this is 7950X? their latest cpu:

12700k beats 7950X in everything!
a 260$ intel beats a 570$ ryzen

And here a 13600K beats 7950X3D
310$ vs 700$

I don't understand why should I choose an AMD socket for its longevity. it's not like I upgrade a cpu every 3 years.

 

[Kodehawa]

So this is 7950X? their latest cpu:

12700k beats 7950X in everything!
a 260$ intel beats a 570$ ryzen

And here a 13600K beats 7950X3D
310$ vs 700$

I don't understand why should I choose an AMD socket for its longevity. it's not like I upgrade a cpu every 3 years.

But the Adobe and Word show it beating the Intel counterparts. And on the latter one you can see the 7950X3D trading blows with the 13900K if you set the scheduler to prefer cache. Don't get your point.

 

[wheresmycar]

So this is 7950X? their latest cpu:

12700k beats 7950X in everything!
a 260$ intel beats a 570$ ryzen

And here a 13600K beats 7950X3D
310$ vs 700$

I don't understand why should I choose an AMD socket for its longevity. it's not like I upgrade a cpu every 3 years.

You might have mis-read some of those charts. In word and image editing 7000 series is at the top. The RDR2 doesn't show X3D results. The spider-man remastered X3D review with CCD1 disabled (somewhat resembling a 7800X3D) is also at the top.

Doesn't really matter.... RPL and Zen 4 trade blows depending on the game... both are SUPERB for todays standards. But i do admit, i do like AM5's socket longevity in hopes it plays out similarily to AM4.

 

[tabascosauz]

this is what i've got...

Clearly it wasn't a GTZRC kit like you said..................and the sticker is on the DIMMs, not the box

But 3600 16-16-16-36 is 100.0% Bdie, so even better. Should be perfect for running or tweaking on 5800X3D

 

[freeagent]

58X3D may not respond as well as its unlocked Vermeer brothers, but it can still use everything it can get, push it hard, it loves it like its older brothers

 

[Lei]

But the Adobe and Word show it beating the Intel counterparts.

Oh I see, I was looking at 7950x OC

here 12600k beats 5800x3D

But i do admit, i do like AM5's socket longevity in hopes it plays out similarily to AM4.

for example I have 3900x, say I upgrade to 5800x3d because keeping AM4 should show its longevity benefits
but isn't 13600k cheaper and faster than 5800x3d ? what's the point of keeping my socket?
which leads me to wait for 14700k. the point is if you wait a little bit longer, AM socket falls behind, not completely dead, but still costs you more.

I mean I change my cpu every 4~5 years. So no matter when I buy an AM socket, it will be dead next time.
Imagine you tell the OP to choose 7800x3d because AM5 came in 2022 and will last until 2026. fine, but there will be an intel in 2026~2027 that would be cheaper and faster than the latest AM5

I'm sure sometime in 2026 you'd tell yourself: let me buy this AMD cpu, because that's the best thing I can drop on my socket before it's dead. Hold on dude, just wait for AM5 to take it last breath

There will be this question: shall I upgrade to AM6 or go mad with AM5 (Exactly like OP is asking now) ... and the answer would be again, a year after an AMD socket dies, a lot cheaper intel will take the crown.

 

[Kodehawa]

Oh I see, I was looking at 7950x OC

here 12600k beats 5800x3D

for example I have 3900x, say I upgrade to 5800x3d because keeping AM4 should show its longevity benefits
but isn't 13600k cheaper and faster than 5800x3d ? what's the point of keeping my socket?
which leads me to wait for 14700k. the point is if you wait a little bit longer, AM socket falls behind, not completely dead, but still costs you more.

I mean I change my cpu every 4~5 years. So no matter when I buy an AM socket, it will be dead next time.
Imagine you tell the OP to choose 7800x3d because AM5 came in 2022 and will last until 2026. fine, but there will be an intel in 2026~2027 that would be cheaper and faster than the latest AM5

I'm sure sometime in 2026 you'd tell yourself: let me buy this AMD cpu, because that's the best thing I can drop on my socket before it's dead. Hold on dude, just wait for AM5 to take it last breath

There will be this question: shall I upgrade to AM6 or go mad with AM5 (Exactly like OP is asking now) ... and the answer would be again, a year after an AMD socket dies, a lot cheaper intel will take the crown.

Guess it's a matter of game engine. Honestly I don't mind. I'd say buy the one that makes the most sense for *you*, whether it's Intel or AMD.
I quite like the new mid range Intel CPUs, honestly.

I'd get the 5800X3D if it was a matter of just gaming, as I'd just need to account for the CPU upgrade itself. I went from a 2600 to a 5700X on the same socket, so it definitely has merit, depending on how often you'd upgrade (that was 5 years between upgrades afaik)

 

[wheresmycar]

Clearly it wasn't a GTZRC kit like you said..................and the sticker is on the DIMMs, not the box

But 3600 16-16-16-36 is 100.0% Bdie, so even better. Should be perfect for running or tweaking on 5800X3D

My bad. When providing the model number I pulled that from my pcpp saved parts list. Looks like ive added the 'wrong kit' ... thanks for the heads-up, PCPP build list updated with the 'correct one'

Glad its of the better variety

for example I have 3900x, say I upgrade to 5800x3d because keeping AM4 should show its longevity benefits
but isn't 13600k cheaper and faster than 5800x3d ? what's the point of keeping my socket?
which leads me to wait for 14700k. the point is if you wait a little bit longer, AM socket falls behind, not completely dead, but still costs you more.

I mean I change my cpu every 4~5 years. So no matter when I buy an AM socket, it will be dead next time.
Imagine you tell the OP to choose 7800x3d because AM5 came in 2022 and will last until 2026. fine, but there will be an intel in 2026~2027 that would be cheaper and faster than the latest AM5

I'm sure sometime in 2026 you'd tell yourself: let me buy this AMD cpu, because that's the best thing I can drop on my socket before it's dead. Hold on dude, just wait for AM5 to take it last breath

There will be this question: shall I upgrade to AM6 or go mad with AM5 (Exactly like OP is asking now) ... and the answer would be again, a year after an AMD socket dies, a lot cheaper intel will take the crown.

I think you're missing the point. I already have a AM4 build sitting around in storage. Its just a matter of selling the 3700X/3900X (which ever one its carrying) and grabbing a 5800X3D and making this system my primary game driver. Highly cost effective... here in the UK the 5800X3D is going for around £300. Looking at the ebay used sold listings, the 3700X is sells for around £100 or the 3900X for £170. So in short, im only spending around £130-£200 for the X3D.

The 13600K proposition is a little more weightier... i'd have to buy a motherboard too. I don't cheap out on boards hence a mid-tier unit might set me back quite a bit.

Anyway upgrade challenges will be easier going forward. I will finally have a dedicated gaming rig (very likely 5800X3D) with my current 9700K build retained for work and everything else.

 

[Mussels]

I've got 4 sticks of 3600/16CL Gskill trident Z RGB @ 32GB

That's pretty much perfect if they're single rank, dual rank slightly less so

You'll be peach running that speed, with nothing but an SoC voltage increase (Anywhere from 0.95v to 1.15v, depending on your boards Vdroop, silicon lottery etc)

With undervolting, the CPU will top out at only about 100 W, even in heavy MT loads.

slightly above that, without losing performance they sit around the 110-115W mark in AVX workloads - any other type of load is less, especially gaming

 

[tussinman]

So, you have a full AM4 build with 32GB CL16 DDR4 and a 2080Ti. You game at 1440p.

The 5800X3D is the obvious choice. You definitely won't be held back by the CPU, even after upgrading your graphics card (unless you only care about maximum fps). You will be able to extract the full performance of the 5800X3D in games as long as you keep it under 75 C. This should be possible with any semi-decent cooler and adequate case airflow. With undervolting, the CPU will top out at only about 100 W, even in heavy MT loads.

To me the choice between committing to a full expensive rig and buying just one reasonably priced component -- for similar gains -- is a no brainer. And with the money you save you'll be better off getting a faster GPU.

Agreed. A 5800x3d with a 4070 tier card (or AMD equivalent) at 1440p and your pretty much set for this entire generation. One and done

 

[dgianstefani]

Everyone saying that the 7800X3D is only needed if you pair it with a 4080/90 are assuming you'll always be gpu limited.

Many games are CPU limited, eg warzone, tarkov, simulation games.

Don't put money into a new build of an old platform.

A die hynix DDR5 is literally cheaper than DR B die DDR4 right now too.

 

[Mussels]

Don't put money into a new build of an old platform.

Silly approach when the alternative costs 5x as much for minimal gains

 

[dgianstefani]

Yeah yeah you save a couple hundred dollars but you also start two years into the obsolete cycle.

5x?

 

[Mussels]

Yeah yeah you save a couple hundred dollars but you also start two years into the obsolete cycle.

5x?

He already has the entire AM4 system including the RAM, a single CPU costs a lot less than an entire new system

 

[dgianstefani]

He already has the entire AM4 system including the RAM, a single CPU costs a lot less than an entire new system

Which doesn't disappear into the ether. It can be sold or used as a backup system. OP states the cost is no problem.

 

[Hyderz]

i'd keep the 9700k for another 2 years and then buy what's out then for bigger gains

 

[Macro Device]

I've played the same game on a 9900K chip and it runs so much smoother.

I'd get that 9900K then. Watched a bunch of tests and they tell no difference between 5800X3D and 9900K in this particular game.

 

[ratirt]

For me the choice is simple. 5800x3d since I have the board that supports it but if I were to build a new system then 7950X3d for sure. The third option would be to wait for 7900X3d and 7800x3d reviews to compare the price and performance and then decide.

 

[Klemc]

5800x3D and four ranks of memory (2x DR or 4x SR) and call it a day - you can save a lot of money for very little real world performance difference, you need a 4080 or above for the 5800x3D to feel like a limit at all

Four ranks at 3200 is the ideal starting point, if you can get higher speed go for it - but dont throw money at small gains, if you already have RAM to use or can get some cheap
(Some tweaking will be required for higher speeds anyway, usually just SoC voltage)

The big strength to the 58x3D is its extremely low wattage with gaming - meaning it will run on even the pure garbage AM4 boards out there trouble free, and even work on a wraith stealth cooler - the total cost to get it and use it is extremely small

Would it apply to this RAM (1rx8) with a 7800X3D (on a B650E-E Strix MB) ? :

https://www.kingston.com/datasheets/KF560C32RSK2-32.pdf

I have a set of two of it, would i add two other modules (for a total of 4 DIMM), it's for gaming, from PC to emulation, all type of games !??!