When will gpu prices return to normal.

[Lei]

Now that we're getting closer to the game changing announcement on September 20th

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

I can't speak to manual labor jobs, but the dampening effect on creativity from unionization in general is massively overblown, and is mainly one of the standard arguments of union busting scaremongering. The dampening effect on creativity of corporate protectionism, profit-seeking and conservatism? That is all the more real, and can be seen in literally every creative field of human activity. As soon as major capital enters the picture, the amount of derivative, soulless, repetitive nonsense explodes. And once major capital takes over, art and creativity essentially dies.

Also: a major part of the point of unionization is to stop the idiotic use of "contractors" in the first places. Give people stable jobs, predictable incomes and safe working conditions so that they can flourish and expand the scope of their work rather than be terrified of where they'll live or how they'll afford food if they don't have their contract renewed.

Contractors as in a company that does contract work - such as all construction companies.

Anecdotally, I knew a guy who went to work for a union manufacturer - and got fired for fixing a light fixture over his work station.

Anyways, I will stop posting off topic.

 

[Appalachian]

Prices getting better by the day. heres a 3080 ti at best buy for 739 US. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/msi-nv...ress-4-0-graphic-card/6472637.p?skuId=6472637

 

[P4-630]

Prices getting better by the day. heres a 3080 ti at best buy for 739 US. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/msi-nv...ress-4-0-graphic-card/6472637.p?skuId=6472637

Living the dream right?...

Now find me a 700 EUR one in Europe....

 

[Appalachian]

Contractors as in a company that does contract work - such as all construction companies.

Anecdotally, I knew a guy who went to work for a union manufacturer - and got fired for fixing a light fixture over his work station.

Anyways, I will stop posting off topic.

It can work both ways. My Dad and 2 of my uncles retired from General Motors and were part of the UAW. My Uncle was in a bad way and would come to work drunk and on a couple of occasions passed out on the floor. UAW wouldnt let GM fire him. Eventually he threatened to kill someone so they forced him into early retirement. Growing up in Union families im of mixed feelings towards them. Ultimately I see them as a lesser evil.

Living the dream right?...

Now find me a 700 EUR one in Europe....

Black Friday cant come soon enough.

 

[Palladium]

Maybe the GPU industry realized the market of "paying through the nose to play forgettable glorified rendered movies" wasn't as big as they thought.

 

[sepheronx]

Maybe the GPU industry realized the market of "paying through the nose to play forgettable glorified rendered movies" wasn't as big as they thought.

I say.

Currently playing Dragons Dogma again preparing myself for the second game. At that, I doubt the second one will require more than a 3060 for high res, high quality settings.

 

[StormLightningSL]

It seems the general outlook here is to just WAIT for a better deal, which will probably make it come sooner.

Speaking for myself, I decided to salvage an old R9 290 card from a really old PC I had in my garage and use it in my main PC for the time being. I've decided to wait for the new series of graphics cards to be announced and take a call based on how things are afterwards.

 

[Valantar]

Contractors as in a company that does contract work - such as all construction companies.

Anecdotally, I knew a guy who went to work for a union manufacturer - and got fired for fixing a light fixture over his work station.

I know traditional US unions have a long history of being quite problematic in various ways - from mob ties to extreme protectionism - but this is mostly not applicable to unionization drives in the games industry, and can also to some extent be attributed to their extremely precarious position being under massive, concerted attack by union-busting companies and politicians supporting them. A system dead set on dismantling any sign of worker solidarity isn't likely to foster open and flexible unions, as that would be suicide for them. It's quite telling that the types of stories like the one you mentioned here are almost completely exclusive to the US, despite other countries being far more thoroughly unionized.

Back on topic though, contractors in the games industry (or tech industry more broadly) generally don't work like that. For the most part, they're working persistent full time jobs, but corporations prefer to hire them as contractors rather than give them actual jobs as that is cheaper and less risky for the corporation. There is also of course short-term contractor work (not all jobs are needed throughout the entire production cycle of a game), but it's quite telling that smaller studios tend to use a lower degree of contractors than bigger ones, when the larger ones ought to have more flexibility in finding new work for someone whose role in a particular project has ended. In short: corporations in late capitalism work concertedly and actively towards making work more precarious and less stable, as that increases their power over workers. This, in combination with a whole host of other common practices (such as risk-averse project planning, impatience surrounding launches, and various 'design by committee' issues) have a significant dampening effect on creativity.

 

[ARF]

Soon...

Double the performance

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 40 Graphics Card Rumored To Offer Over Over 2x Gaming Performance Versus RTX 30 Series (wccftech.com)

 

[SpittinFax]

Soon...

Double the performance

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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 40 Graphics Card Rumored To Offer Over Over 2x Gaming Performance Versus RTX 30 Series (wccftech.com)

No way I would ever trust the data in that graph. Not because I don't think 2x performance isn't possible, but because of the commas being used as decimal points and the very neatly rounded-off values that have no connection with real data. Not exactly the work of a professional.

But nonetheless, this is very good. Plenty of people will still take it at face value and sell their cards at ridiculously low prices to prepare for an upgrade. So it's beneficial for the rest of us.

 

[ppn]

Double compared to what. 3090 - >4090 is doable. 10752 @ 1,8 GHz - > 18432 CUDA @ 2,8GHz is more than double actually.
but the rest are crippled to oblivion 3080 to 4080 barely any CUDA added 8704 to 9728 and a 160 bit bus 4070 just terrible.

 

[Valantar]

No way I would ever trust the data in that graph. Not because I don't think 2x performance isn't possible, but because of the commas being used as decimal points and the very neatly rounded-off values that have no connection with real data. Not exactly the work of a professional.

But nonetheless, this is very good. Plenty of people will still take it at face value and sell their cards at ridiculously low prices to prepare for an upgrade. So it's beneficial for the rest of us.

There are many languages in which commas are the correct decimal indicator, so all that would indicate is the likelihood of whoever made the graph not being a native English speaker. As for the rounded-off values: that's typical PR stuff. Hardly surprising. Still, as most of us here know, waiting for reviews is the way to go, with even official launch specs and first party performance numbers only being grounds for speculation, and "leaks" like this having a very high error rate.

 

[ARF]

Double compared to what. 3090 - >4090 is doable. 10752 @ 1,8 GHz - > 18432 CUDA @ 2,8GHz is more than double actually.
but the rest are crippled to oblivion 3080 to 4080 barely any CUDA added 8704 to 9728 and a 160 bit bus 4070 just terrible.

This could create very large performance gaps inside that new lineup.
We need more performance in the low end, not to make the high end super fast and everything else mediocre compared to it.

 

[80-watt Hamster]

This could create very large performance gaps inside that new lineup.
We need more performance in the low end, not to make the high end super fast and everything else mediocre compared to it.

It's more like the low end and midrange need to slide down the price scale. I was very surprised to find that the 6600 XT performs better relative to contemporary releases than the GTX 970, widely considered a historical value champ, did in its day. But no cards worth having at the USD200 price point and lower is BS.

EDIT: The 6600 XT is priced around the GTX 970's launch price in the US as of this post.

 

[ARF]

It's more like the low end and midrange need to slide down the price scale. I was very surprised to find that the 6600 XT performs better relative to contemporary releases than the GTX 970, widely considered a historical value champ, did in its day.

GTX 970 was much, much closer to the flagship - the GTX 980 Ti, back in its day..

GTX 970 100%
GTX 980 114%
GTX 980 Ti 131%

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 Specs

NVIDIA GM204, 1178 MHz, 1664 Cores, 104 TMUs, 56 ROPs, 4096 MB GDDR5, 1753 MHz, 256 bit

www.techpowerup.com

Radeon RX 6600 XT 100%
Radeon RX 6650 XT 102%
Radeon RX 6700 XT 114%
Radeon RX 6750 XT 123%
Radeon RX 6800 145%
Radeon RX 6800 XT 166%
Radeon RX 6900 XT 180%
Radeon RX 6950 XT 191%

AMD Radeon RX 6600 XT Specs

AMD Navi 23, 2589 MHz, 2048 Cores, 128 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR6, 2000 MHz, 128 bit

www.techpowerup.com

The 6600 XT is so slow, it's crazy. Never going to buy it..

 

[80-watt Hamster]

GTX 970 was much, much closer to the flagship - the GTX 980 Ti, back in its day..

GTX 970 100%
GTX 980 114%
GTX 980 Ti 131%

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 Specs

NVIDIA GM204, 1178 MHz, 1664 Cores, 104 TMUs, 56 ROPs, 4096 MB GDDR5, 1753 MHz, 256 bit

www.techpowerup.com

Radeon RX 6600 XT 100%
Radeon RX 6650 XT 102%
Radeon RX 6700 XT 114%
Radeon RX 6750 XT 123%
Radeon RX 6800 145%
Radeon RX 6800 XT 166%
Radeon RX 6900 XT 180%
Radeon RX 6950 XT 191%

AMD Radeon RX 6600 XT Specs

AMD Navi 23, 2589 MHz, 2048 Cores, 128 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR6, 2000 MHz, 128 bit

www.techpowerup.com

The 6600 XT is so slow, it's crazy. Never going to buy it..

Nobody's asking you to. But the bar for a flagship has been raised significantly. As has the amount of money they cost and power they pull. Not to mention the sheer number of products in the stack. The fact that Veyrons and Zondas exist doesn't make a Corvette or Z car slow.

GTX 970 - 148W/$330
GTX 980 ti - 250W/$650

6600 XT - 160W/$380*
6950 XT - 335W/$1100**

If you constrain for power, the 980 ti's equivalent in that list is the RX 6800, which is 250W and currently $600 (the XT can be had for about the same money, somehow). The 6600 XT admittedly doesn't look as good from that perspective. The 6700 XT fits in better if one looks at percentile gaps, though now you're looking at 230W.

And perspective's what it's all bout, innit? I tend to ask, what gets me an acceptable level of performance for the least amount of cash? You appear to give more weight to where a card sits in the product stack than I. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, but it's something I don't personally understand.

I was about to leave it there, but find myself stuck on this question: If the 6600 XT manages better average framerates in tested games than the 970 did when it was new, why is the 6600 XT slow, but the GTX 970 not?

* Launch price; current street price starts at $330
** Launch price; current street price starts at $850

 

[Mikael Andersson]

Hello everyone,

So I am in the process of building a new system and I am looking to buy a new gpu as part as my new build but gpu prices right now are insane. I was thinking of getting an rtx 2070 used but the cheapest I have seen one on the used marked was still over $500.

I probably won't have all of my parts until late February so do you guys think that gpu prices will be better by then?

Thanks.

When crypto miners will stop buying graphics cards enmasse then the prices will drop to what they were in 2012 (a top-of-the-line graphics card for $500) but this will not happen during the upcoming graphics card generations from both nVidia and AMD which will be overpriced so start voting with your wallets and stop purchasing overpriced graphics cards.

 

[ARF]

Which process node will be the last?
When will the time be when we won't need new graphics cards?

 

[R-T-B]

commas being used as decimal points

This is normal in parts of europe.

When crypto miners will stop buying graphics cards enmasse then the prices will drop to what they were in 2012 (a top-of-the-line graphics card for $500) but this will not happen during the upcoming graphics card generations from both nVidia and AMD which will be overpriced so start voting with your wallets and stop purchasing overpriced graphics cards.

Eth goes PoS like literally within 3 days. Mining is already nearly a nonfactor.

 

[ARF]

This is normal in parts of europe.

In SAP and Microsoft's Calculator app:

 

[Mikael Andersson]

This is normal in parts of europe.


Eth goes PoS like literally within 3 days. Mining is already nearly a nonfactor.

Then stop paying $1000 for a graphics card that should cost $500.

 

[KLiKzg]

Will this ETH merge finally going to make some crypters sell out their GPUs? What do you think?

 

[Valantar]

The 6600 XT is so slow, it's crazy. Never going to buy it..

Quite the opposite, actually. It's flagships that have taken off in performance. The mid-range has absolutely stagnated in price/perf (at least at MSRP), but the 6600 and 6600 XT are still plenty fast for what they do.

 

[R-T-B]

Then stop paying $1000 for a graphics card that should cost $500.

I do what I want, thanks. Prices are falling as of now, not rising.