Why are some people still saying a 4-thread i5 is good enough with a beefy GPU...

[Hyderz]

entry level into gaming should be minimum 4c/4t anything less than it now is not ideal. Cpu like i5 6600k and 7600k are still performing quite well.
If you invest into a gaming pc should look into a 6c/6t or 6c/12t should hold you well for next 3 years.

 

[Ben_Doverson]

That's very offensive! I do feel like good when overclocking.
There's nothing good like the feeling of performance gains.

dont get me wrong brother i OC everyting literaly!
and i love it . i have test bench and i buy random chipsets and od cpus just yo see what perfomance i can get out of them !
at thhis moment a i7 970 / on a x58 mobo is being shipped to me just so i can sewhat it can do . and i am scouting the net for a i7 980x cou for that mobo to se if i can break some old record with it usin dry ice or LN2.. , so if u feel offended by me sating that i find it more interesting to get ANY of the i9 couus instead of the top and last cpu of the 7gen line just to oc and then be done with it u migh need to to get over yourself and sto being so easyoffended by what other ppl do or thing or maybe try to se my pow on what i actually was saying love to u and best of wishes on the amd oc ,and may the oc gods be with you!

in my pow 4 cores is minimum and that is pure cores without HT. pure muschle cores overklocked to the brink that squese the living hell out the the gpu for fps . to bad i am at my laptop atm or o woulf have ben able to post some of my benchmarks where i oc my 4790k to 5.7ghz on 4/4cores 1.47v in cpu-z and cinabench. even hade the 1600 rams running at 2433 or it might have been 2400 blank with so close timings and voltage .i toch me weeks setting that one succesful run ,but boi was i a happy camper after that!

this is whats forked in sweden ,used marker vs new

Intel Core i5 9400F 2.9 GHz 9MB - 1 789 kr aprox 180€ or $
Intel Core i5 9600KF 3.7 GHz 9MB - 2 490 kr ~250$ or € swedish prices are 1 /10th of a euro or dollar
Intel Core i5 9600K 3.7 GHz 9MB - kr( 2 889) reduced to 2 590
the one i wanted but cant afford -
Intel Core i7 9700K 3.6 GHz 12MB (used to be 4 479 kr ) now 4 290 kr ~430€



VS

Intel Core i7 6700K 4.0 GHz 8MB - 1 730 kr and still going becouse its a bidding sight and its 2 days left . some go for 200€ and 7700k sometime hit 220 or worse


point of all of this. 6th and 7th gen 's are over prices and only for the reason that its ez for n33bs to oc snf feel god about emselfs .LMAO

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just found this on same site .. anyone who can donate me 1900€

this beast doesnt even have a production date only Launch Date Q3'17

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i wonder if it can play crysis?

@potato580+ =')

Point taken about this thread.

I do agree that even based on my own experiences doing system work for others that with something like a 7600k, that a high end or high mid-range GPU is probably not going to get fully utilized especially for typical 1080p gaming. I have found that something like an 8GB RX580 or 6GB GTX1060, or maybeeeee the new 1650 Super is most likely an ideal match for a high IPC 4-core/4-thread CPU. In fact just put a 6GB GTX1060 in friends system that has an i5 7400 and it seems to work quite well for him, though he mostly plays stuff like GTA V, and various Assasins Creed games. Was a huge bump from his previous GTX960 2GB, im sure that the 2GB VRAM limitation kills most video cards at 1080p in any modernish game as my 4GB VRAM is well utilized even at the low 1366x768 my personal monitor uses.

I think any 2GB VRAM card is pretty much done at this point for modernish games without a lot of tweaking of game settings and game configuration files.

aggre with u there . any card over say 1070 ti would start losing perfomance running under a i5 6700k /7600k. ath that point its time to start looking for 8th gen minimum ,like
Intel Core i5 8600K 6c/6T
with a modest oc of atleast 4.7ghz
then going beyound 1080ti there cant be any one who argues against min req of i8 8700k and up to the 9900k contra the amds .from 2950x and basicly all of the 3series cpus to balance the gpu power with amds clock speed to core ratio , and when i say 1080ti and above i am not leaving any cards out amd or nvidia . hell i migh even toss a 1660super in that list XD

 

[Melvis]

I say the i5 or Quad core CPU's without HT/SMT are indeed not enough for good smooth game play anymore, yes you can still game on a i5 Quad core and for the most part get a good average FPS with a good GPU but there starting to show there age with lots of dips and stuttering. My mate has a 6th gen i5 paired with I think a 1070 and even in a game like Dota 2 he has been complaining badly about gettting down to 10FPS in a big cluster fight on screen (5v5 battle) and is now looking at upgrading to a 2700X AM4 system.

My brother on the other hand is one of those ones that says my i5 2550K runs everything just fine! but he doesnt own any AAA modern titles at all! the only complaints he has is I dont have enough RAM (8GB) and im paging alot in a few games.

I myself had a i7 2600 and I noticed it start to get a bit slow in games that required alot of CPU so I upgraded to a Ryzen 1600X System and have noticed alot smoother game play.

 

[droopyRO]

It dose not matter how many cores your CPU has. If you match the games YOU play to that CPU. Some people might play indie or browser games where an i3 CPU, 2c/4t, might be all they need, and others try to get a minimum of 144fps in the latest AAA games with their overclocked 9900KF or Ryzen 3800X.

And there are games that can not run on well on any CPU in their most intensive moments.
Take for example TW Warhammer 2(one of my favorite games of all time) in a siege battle with 40 vs 40 units, the framerate drops to 25 fps on my system, you could have an i9 at 7 GHz and it will not get 60 fps in that situation. Same for ArmA 3.

 

[Zach_01]

It dose not matter how many cores your CPU has. If you match the games YOU play to that CPU. Some people might play indie or browser games where an i3 CPU, 2c/4t, might be all they need, and others try to get a minimum of 144fps in the latest AAA games with their overclocked 9900KF or Ryzen 3800X.

And there are games that can not run on well on any CPU in their most intensive moments.
Take for example TW Warhammer 2(one of my favorite games of all time) in a siege battle with 40 vs 40 units, the framerate drops to 25 fps on my system, you could have an i9 at 7 GHz and it will not get 60 fps in that situation. Same for ArmA 3.

And you are judging this by your 6c/6t CPU... OK!
Good to know...

 

[EarthDog]

And you are judging this by your 6c/6t CPU... OK!
Good to know...

...and using fringe/rare cases to make a point...

 

[er557]

this has turned into a froid philosophy thread...

 

[Bill_Bright]

froid

Assuming you mean Sigmond "Freud", stay out of my dreams!

 

[moproblems99]

Thought this was kind of good timing:

https://www.techspot.com/amp/article/1953-then-and-now-400-usd-gpu/

specifically this paragraph:

We might consider building those two systems for a few side-by-side testing, though if you’ve kept tabs on how the 7600K gets along in 2019, you’ll know that comparison will turn out very poorly for the quad-core processor.

 

[droopyRO]

...and using fringe/rare cases to make a point...

These are PC games only, not multi platform crap like 9/10 of the games out there.
You are also forgetting that most console games are capped at 30 fps. And even then they can not maintain 30 fps 100% of the time.

And you are judging this by your 6c/6t CPU... OK!
Good to know...

You are free to show me an i9 or Ryzen that runs a siege battle, 40 units, at 60 fps all the time in TW Warhammer 2. You would give me a HUGE reason to upgrade my CPU or platform.

 

[er557]

just for kicks i will try this on my dual e5-2686v3 boosted setup

edit:ninjaposted @EarthDog

 

[EarthDog]

And? You are still using fringe cases to make a point...

 

[droopyRO]

Yes, the point is, use the right tool for the right job.

There is no point in wasting money on using a >4 core CPU to play old games, indie or similar titles.
The minimum i would recommend this days, is a Ryzen 1600, but if one can only afford an i5 2500 or a Ryzen APU, then those are fine for 1080p gaming at 30-60 fps. with an RX570.

 

[EarthDog]

There is no point in wasting money on using a >4 core CPU to play old games, indie or similar titles.

Right... but, that isn't what this thread is about though(old games/indie titles)... or where it spawned from...

If you are only playing potato games like you say, you aren't looking at upgrading your GPU and asking about a CPU bottleneck in most cases.

 

[Zach_01]

And? You are still using fringe cases to make a point...

Fringe or not, for me personally doesnt matter... What matters is when tries to convince us that that any CPU will have issues with some games when paired to 1070Ti at least.

Yes, the point is, use the right tool for the right job.

There is no point in wasting money on using a >4 core CPU to play old games, indie or similar titles.
The minimum i would recommend this days, is a Ryzen 1600, but if one can only afford an i5 2500 or a Ryzen APU, then those are fine for 1080p gaming at 30-60 fps. with an RX570.

Now you are changing your sayings a bit... Almost you said that a 6c/6t is all needed ever... and if this CPU has issues then all of the rest (from 8t up to 32t) has them too.

 

[64K]

Why are people still using 4 core 4 thread CPU for gaming? Momentum I guess. For many years the common consensus was that it was enough and that thinking still lingers on with some people.

Possibly the next gen consoles will make it apparent that it's time to upgrade the PC. I was using an i5 3570k before this build and I was already being held back in some games and that was almost 2 years ago.

Tech moves forward quickly. Probably my next build will need a 6 core 12 thread CPU.

 

[droopyRO]

Or they don't need a stronger CPU, a small fps drop might go unnoticed by the average person, while you, me, us, could go nuts if that happens.

Fringe or not, for me personally doesnt matter... What matters is when tries to convince us that that any CPU will have issues with some games when paired to 1070Ti at least.

Yep, exactly my point. For you, it dose not matter, for me it might, or the other way around There is no absolute right/wrong answer to why you would game on a 4c/4t CPU. I say again, the minimum i recommend is a Ryzen 1600 or 1800 seeing they sell for cheap on the second hand market.

Now you are changing your sayings a bit... Almost you said that a 6c/6t is all needed ever... and if this CPU has issues then all of the rest (from 8t up to 32t) has them too.

Give me a quote where i said that. Also i'm waiting for that benchmark. Thanks.
Meanwhile look at how the fps tanks at the end of this benchmark, and that is an 9900K. Do you think a 16 or 32 core CPU would fare better by bumping the fps from 40-45 to/or at 60 fps ?

vs

That is clearly a game/engine limit, that in my humble opinion, will not change with core count.

 

[moproblems99]

I think the spirit of the question was recommending/giving advice on buying quads. Or at least being honest and saying 'yes, you will have problems' instead of 'no, it's fine'.

 

[MrGRiMv25]

i am scouting the net for a i7 980x cou for that mobo to se if i can break some old record with it usin dry ice or LN2..

If you can't find a 980X for a good price grab yourself a Xeon W3680/90 as they're the same chip but support faster RAM straight out of the gate, I can't change voltage on the board I'm on but the chip I have does 4Ghz at 1.2v which is pretty decent. They also have an unlocked multiplier just like the 980X so with a good board they will overclock very well.

 

[moproblems99]

If you can't find a 980X for a good price grab yourself a Xeon W3680/90 as they're the same chip but support faster RAM straight out of the gate, I can't change voltage on the board I'm on but the chip I have does 4Ghz at 1.2v which is pretty decent. They also have an unlocked multiplier just like the 980X so with a good board they will overclock very well.

How did we get from why recommend quads to recommending a 10+ year old hex?

 

[John Naylor]

For the most part, the core thing, like VRAM is grossly exaggerated. It's a very simple thing to check ... at least with the games i have played. All of the doom and gloom is more about the processor itself then the cores / threads the game users.

So load your game, set CPU affinity to all cores and run a path thru game recording fps. Now go back to affinity and turn off a thread .... rinse and repeat. I think you will find the impact is far less than you thought it would be ...I usually don't see significant impacts till I turn off CPU 3 (leaving 0, 1 and 2 working on the games process.

 

[harm9963]

 

[Bill_Bright]

I think the spirit of the question was recommending/giving advice on buying quads. Or at least being honest and saying 'yes, you will have problems' instead of 'no, it's fine'.

I think the spirit of the question is the question the OP asked. No where did the OP ask for buying advice. Nor did he ask if whether you will have problems or not. He just very clearly stated his own opinion. I note too, he has not been back since post #3 on page 1.

 

[Fluffmeister]

Personally I'm happy for you all to beta test the latest games for me, once I'm through my back catalogue of a gazillion games, I'll pick on the latest AAA games you lot are currently arguing about patched up and for 5 bucks. Thank you.

 

[hckngrtfakt]

I was recently given an i3 platform (mobo+cpu) which I didn't thing could handle any modern game titles.
To my surprise I started with D3 and it ran flawlessly, from there I moved one to more recent/resource intensive games and it showed no slow downs, to the point where I have been playing KI and Dragon Ball FighterZ with no noticeable lag or frame drops (60+ fps on afterbuner) ... so why the need for an i5 ??? much less an i7