Why no one has the right to be angry at AMD with regards to AM4

Space Lynx · May 19, 2020

TheLostSwede said:
Did you watch the video? It's not as straight forward as you'd think.
It's now up to the board makers, so you may or may not get support...

the tomahawk max will be one that will that is basically promised. so i just lost out on my great sale price and buy and entire plan i had in place for the upgrade path of the 3600. all because AMD can't make up there mind. it doesn't matter, LGA 1200 tomorrow for me. will be faster than Zen 3 in gaming anyway by about 10 fps so meh screw it

Vya Domus · May 19, 2020

londiste said:
It is still the same bad solution.

Bad for whom ? I don't get this weird negativity, it's a way to give some of the people what they wanted, nothing bad in that. Why do you even care if it's bad or good ? I just don't get it.

Sybaris_Caesar · May 19, 2020

Like Roman said, good work to everybody who gave AMD the much-needed flack and congrats. And as for the corporate simps, sod off!

londiste · May 19, 2020

Vya Domus said:
Bad for whom ? I don't get this weird negativity, it's a way to give some of the people what they wanted, nothing bad in that. Why do you even care if it's bad or good ? I just don't get it.

I had a B350 board for which I needed to get a 1st gen Ryzen to update the BIOS. I had a B450 board for which I had to find a supported CPU and ended up moving the CPUs around so B350 get the Zen2 CPU and B450 now hosts my APU because fuck the additional CPU switching. It's a considerable annoyance. With the quality of AGESAs as well as BIOSes so far, I do not want anything resembling a beta anywhere near a machine that I need to use for anything but testing.

Again, no normal person is likely to deal with this mess. I guess it is a win-win for AMD. Enthusiasts will accept that there is a way and shut up about it and normal customers won't care and won't see complaining in the Internet any more either.

Flanker · May 19, 2020

Now I am confused. Did AMD explicitly disallow 400 series chipsets from supporting Zen 3 and then ate their words? Or did they just say there are no official support? :kookoo:

Vya Domus · May 19, 2020

londiste said:
do not want anything resembling a beta anywhere near a machine

So don't do it, these wont be available for the public at large. These will be issued upon request for those who absolutely want this. It's all very simple, no one is forcing you to do this.

londiste said:
Again, no normal person is likely to deal with this mess.

And no normal person will because it's outside their area of expertise to do so anyway.

Space Lynx · May 19, 2020

Flanker said:
AMD explicitly disallow 400 series chipsets from supporting Zen 3 and then ate their words.

you nailed it, they made the impossible possible. lol somehow? magic i guess Kappa

TheoneandonlyMrK · May 19, 2020

Well I thought it too early to weep.

Still it will be hell getting the likes of Asus on board.

I don't like my chances still.

Darmok N Jalad · May 19, 2020

AMD to Support Zen 3 and Ryzen 4000 CPUs on B450 and X470 Motherboards

www.anandtech.com

Sounds like they plan to sort this out before 4000 launch, which could get rather interesting. I guess they will have to get board partners to release new BIOS’s that drop legacy CPUs to make room for the new models? I could see why they wouldn’t push this, since it’s going to be up to the board manufacturer to provide the support, and we all know how many don’t want to mess with updating older products, especially the budget models. Hopefully this doesn’t turn into a bigger mess!

londiste · May 19, 2020

Darmok N Jalad said:
Sounds like they plan to sort this out before 4000 launch, which could get rather interesting. I guess they will have to get board partners to release new BIOS’s that drop legacy CPUs to make room for the new models? I could see why they wouldn’t push this, since it’s going to be up to the board manufacturer to provide the support, and we all know how many don’t want to mess with updating older products, especially the budget models. Hopefully this doesn’t turn into a bigger mess!

AMD said:
4) To reduce the potential for confusion, our intent is to offer BIOS download only to verified customers of 400 Series motherboards who have purchased a new desktop processor with “Zen 3” inside. This will help us ensure that customers have a bootable processor on-hand after the BIOS flash, minimizing the risk a user could get caught in a no-boot situation.
5) Timing and availability of the BIOS updates will vary and may not immediately coincide with the availability of the first “Zen 3”-based processors.

TheLostSwede · May 19, 2020

lynx29 said:
the tomahawk max will be one that will that is basically promised. so i just lost out on my great sale price and buy and entire plan i had in place for the upgrade path of the 3600. all because AMD can't make up there mind. it doesn't matter, LGA 1200 tomorrow for me. will be faster than Zen 3 in gaming anyway by about 10 fps so meh screw it

You base that on a third party video? I wouldn't trust anything until the board makers themselves announce support.

Good luck with your Intel system and spending 3x as much on it.

P4-630 · May 19, 2020

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/gmp45o

bogmali · May 19, 2020

Closing up shop since AMD changed its stance on this whole topic plus the fact that a couple hijacked the thread with their ego-fest as usual.

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Why no one has the right to be angry at AMD with regards to AM4

Space Lynx

Astronaut

Vya Domus

Sybaris_Caesar

londiste

Flanker

Vya Domus

Space Lynx

Astronaut

TheoneandonlyMrK

Darmok N Jalad

AMD to Support Zen 3 and Ryzen 4000 CPUs on B450 and X470 Motherboards

londiste

TheLostSwede

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