Windows 11 a Flop, Survey Claims Less Than 1% Upgraded, Microsoft Improves Start Menu

demian_vi · Dec 3, 2021

I was really looking forward to install Win11 early like i did with Win10, but not being able to disable combination of tabs and drag and drop is a dealbreaker.
daily tasks have become much more troublesome cause of this on my laptop, so I will wait until all these changes are fixed before upgrading.

jmeistr · Dec 3, 2021

I reverted back to Win 10 after 30min. Win 11 felt a lot less user friendly and filled with bugs.

CrAsHnBuRnXp · Dec 3, 2021

AusWolf said:
As for me, I don't need another crappy Start menu to fix the current crappy one. Just bring back any Start menu from between Windows 95 and Windows 7, and I'll be happy, thank you very much.

It's called Start11. Im using it and im also using another app to bring back my taskbar options like they were on Windows 10 but the name eludes me atm.

Windows 11 is pretty much working flawless for me and I have no issues.

sil3ntearth · Dec 3, 2021

I've gone back and forth between Windows 10 and 11 on my machine. I'm back on 10 21H2 right now, because I just don't care for 11. Plus, there are still quite a few random bugs that I run into from time to time. Unless there's a legit reason for people to upgrade (directstorage would be a start), nobody will. There's just no reason to really.

AugeK · Dec 3, 2021

I switched to 11 a couple of weeks ago, no hassle so far.
Ryzen 7 3800 and ASRock 450 board.

mechtech · Dec 3, 2021

Maybe cause most people can’t upgrade cause pc over 3 years old.

lexluthermiester · Dec 3, 2021

Caring1 said:
I like having the control panel still, but Microsoft is intent on removing it with W11.

Then why would they enhance access to it? Accessing the classic control panel is MUCH easier in 11 than 10.

Mysteoa · Dec 3, 2021

Where is the "no Recommended" option, Microsoft? Stop trying to push your way of doing thing. Many people have specifically requested the option to remove it entirely, and you just didn't want to commit.

Agentbb007 · Dec 3, 2021

If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.

Caring1 · Dec 3, 2021

lexluthermiester said:
Then why would they enhance access to it? Accessing the classic control panel is MUCH easier in 11 than 10.

Next Windows 11 update will kill more Control Panel pages

Windows 11 is likely to get major design improvements in the fall of 2022 and we’re already started receiving builds from the development channel. Microsoft recently shipped Windows 11 Build 22509 with much-needed improvements for the Start Menu, taskbar and changes to the Control Panel. Windows...

www.windowslatest.com

LiveOrDie · Dec 3, 2021

Windows 11 is old news I'm waiting for Windows 12 should be a few months away.

lexluthermiester · Dec 3, 2021

Caring1 said:
Next Windows 11 update will kill more Control Panel pages

Windows 11 is likely to get major design improvements in the fall of 2022 and we’re already started receiving builds from the development channel. Microsoft recently shipped Windows 11 Build 22509 with much-needed improvements for the Start Menu, taskbar and changes to the Control Panel. Windows...

www.windowslatest.com

You need to actually read that article. The devil is in the details.

Caring1 · Dec 3, 2021

I did read it, what makes you think I didn't?

zlobby · Dec 3, 2021

InVasMani said:
Windows 11 your computer seems to be running virus free also we've reinstalled Minecraft and Candy Crush and added them to your Start Menu again along with the other stuff you uninstalled good effort nice try.

Even M$ admitted that it's no longer 'My Computer'. It's now 'This PC' because for them it's just that, an another PC.

TheinsanegamerN said:
Windows 11 changes the UI, which is an immediate non starter for many. It doesnt support 7th gen or older platforms, which wipes out a LOT of legacy hardware. It needs TPM 2.0, which wipes out yet more of the applicable hardware. It offers nothing to the end user in terms of useful software updates or features. Is it any surprise people dont touch the damn thing?

And guys, look, lets gets oen thing clear here. Can the TPM requirement be worked around? Absolutely, just like windows 10 can be tweaked to boot on a pentium III. That does not mean the vast majority of users will do that. Most users do not know how to bypass TPM 2.0, fewer want to try and modify windows 11 so it will boot. Of the tiny percentage of end users who DO know how to do this, even fewer want to. Could I bypass the requirements ot get this to load on my PC? absolutely. Do I want to? HELL NO. If I wanted to tweak and bypass stuff to get my OS to work, I'd use linux (which I do, for the most part, since if I'm putting that work in I'm avoiding MS at all costs).

MS shot themselves in the foot restricting windows 10.1 so harshly. Backwards compatibility is a big selling point for windows.

By "hefty performanc penalty" you mean 1%? Because those who HAVE worked around the restrictions have reported almost no difference in performance.

Requiring TPM 2.0 is just a dog and pony show to work witht he like of netflix, amazon, et al that want to stop those eanie pirates recording their content. And if you believe conspiracy theories, a way to ban people who say no no words from ever using a computer again.

Mobile 2700U runs the so called 'enchanced security' pretty well by default, i.e. HVCI, SLAT, TPM2.0, etc. Yet, M$ claim it can't work with Win 11... Fat middle finger at you, M$!

windwhirl · Dec 3, 2021

Mysteoa said:
Where is the "no Recommended" option, Microsoft? Stop trying to push your way of doing thing. Many people have specifically requested the option to remove it entirely, and you just didn't want to commit.

You can disable it, but you get an empty half of start menu.

lexluthermiester said:
You need to actually read that article. The devil is in the details.

Yep, slow-going process, but it's inevitable.

What I'd really like to see is the ability to have multiple Settings windows open. Just the one is really bad.

Auxityne · Dec 3, 2021

Microsoft's CPU compatibility cutoff caused me to check out of Windows 11 completely. Even if I build a Zen 4 system next year, it'll have Windows 10. I refuse to have anything to do with 11.

Mysteoa · Dec 3, 2021

windwhirl said:
You can disable it, but you get an empty half of start menu.

I know, I have been looking at it since the beta and I have given feedback in the hub.

skizzo · Dec 3, 2021

when I think of flop and Windows in the same sentence.....here is screen shot of your new OS desktop

I didn't even start using Windows 10 until around 2018 lol and I only plan to to upgrade to 11 if I get a new system in years or if some game I got to play makes it a non negotiable requirement.

shovenose · Dec 3, 2021

bug said:
Strange behavior indeed, but I thought you'd keep a server in wake-on-lan mode or smth.

Meh, it's not mission critical but it's definitely annoying when I'm asleep or at my day job and Windows 11 decides shutting down my computer whenever it darn well pleases is more important than whatever I'm running on it.

zlobby · Dec 3, 2021

shovenose said:
Meh, it's not mission critical but it's definitely annoying when I'm asleep or at my day job and Windows 11 decides shutting down my computer whenever it darn well pleases is more important than whatever I'm running on it.

Shhhh! You're using it wrong! Stop with the unfounded hatred already!

Slizzo · Dec 3, 2021

CrAsHnBuRnXp said:
It's called Start11. Im using it and im also using another app to bring back my taskbar options like they were on Windows 10 but the name eludes me atm.

Windows 11 is pretty much working flawless for me and I have no issues.

I, too, use Start 11. I used Start 8 when I was running Windows 8 and 8.1, I enjoyed the options it brought me. Start 11 is great and brought back my old Start screen as well as the right click menu on the taskbar.

Tartaros · Dec 3, 2021

My experience so far has been install Start11, move start menu to the left and disable new right click menu. So it's like nothing has changed to me xDD

Apart from that, I'm pleased with it. I don't know if I'm suggested or something but I feel it snappier than 10. The new Edge it's good too.

lexluthermiester · Dec 3, 2021

Seems I'm going against the grain, but I like Windows 11, minus the TPM/SecureBoot & hardware requirements nonsense which, let's be honest, are easily worked around.

seth1911 · Dec 3, 2021

I saw today in a local supermarket a laptop with 8GB and i3 for 599€ but the best at the end for Home Useres it was 10 in the S Mode, for 599€ :laugh:

Nah i dont need win 11, im only need win 10 ltsc for some FTP and Work Software.
But ill change my main system in my holiday back to Debian and make another system for FTP and Work only :rockout:

Tartaros · Dec 3, 2021

lexluthermiester said:
Seems I'm going against the grain, but I like Windows 11, minus the TPM/SecureBoot & hardware requirements nonsense which, let's be honest, are easily worked around.

Does the tpm thing affect something performance wise?

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Windows 11 a Flop, Survey Claims Less Than 1% Upgraded, Microsoft Improves Start Menu

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