Windows 11 General Discussion

[Chrispy_]

Hi, fellas.

My question is relevant both to Windows 10 and 11, so I thought opening another thread for just one question was pointless.

So: how resource-intensive are the different versions (Home, Pro and the rest)? I've got a very basic Intel Compute Stick with an Atom x5 CPU and 2 GB RAM. Even the CPU is weak as hell, but with the GPU's hardware acceleration, it's actually alright for watching films. My bigger problem is the 2 GB RAM which gets full even with no programs open. Do you guys think I could shave RAM usage down a bit by installing Win 10/11 Home instead of Pro on it?

Check out my (current) system specs. Windows versions have mostly the same resource usage between editions, and Running 20H1 on a 2GB Atom is basically horrible in every way, trust me.

I'd be looking at lightweight home-theatre Linux distros in your shoes tbh.

 

[lexluthermiester]

My bigger problem is the 2 GB RAM which gets full even with no programs open. Do you guys think I could shave RAM usage down a bit by installing Win 10/11 Home instead of Pro on it?

Not really. Home & Pro run a similar default memory footprint. The key is to disable or delete as many services and runtimes as possible without killing the functionality of your device. If you want a walk-through for making Windows 11 run lean and clean, I'll be happy to post it. You need only ask..

You can also go the Win10 LTSC route, which runs very lean & clean by default. Still needs tweaking, but very workable.

That's one rare device. But with just 2 GB of RAM... That sucks.

True, but It's workable.

Is it really necessary to use W10/11? Why not 7, it is lighter on resources.

To keep Win7 safe for internet access, they would need to install a viable and still supported security suite, which would only make the situation worse on that particular device.

I'd be looking at lightweight home-theatre Linux distros in your shoes tbh.

On that device it would be a rabbit hole, let's not go down it.

 

[Chrispy_]

On that device it would be a rabbit hole, let's not go down it.

Hah, agreed - but everything about that device is already "down the rabbit hole" so I don't think that's really an issue

 

[AusWolf]

To keep Win7 safe for internet access, they would need to install a viable and still supported security suite, which would only make the situation worse on that particular device.

That. Windows 10 has everything you need for a modern PC. Of course some bloatware as well, but a very minimal amount, and it can be trimmed down. I'd rather not install resource-heavy third-party antivirus programs just for basic use.

Check out my (current) system specs. Windows versions have mostly the same resource usage between editions, and Running 20H1 on a 2GB Atom is basically horrible in every way, trust me.

I'd be looking at lightweight home-theatre Linux distros in your shoes tbh.

Wow, those are some system specs! Welcome to my world.

I've also thought about going the Linux way, tbh. Which distro would you recommend for a minimalistic device like this?

Not really. Home & Pro run a similar default memory footprint. The key is to disable or delete as many services and runtimes as possible without killing the functionality of your device. If you want a walk-through for making Windows 11 run lean and clean, I'll be happy to post it. You need only ask..

My curiosity is picked, consider it asked.

On that device it would be a rabbit hole, let's not go down it.

What do you mean? Is there too much tweaking to do with that route as well?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Hah, agreed - but everything about that device is already "down the rabbit hole" so I don't think that's really an issue

To be fair, I think the limitation is the 2GB of RAM. If we can lean down an install of 11 for them, this will work on an acceptable level.

I've also thought about going the Linux way, tbh. Which distro would you recommend for a minimalistic device like this?

If you're willing to take the plunge, Mint XFCE. Lean, clean and with all the functionality you would need.

Linux Mint 20.2 "Uma" - Linux Mint

Linux Mint is an elegant, easy to use, up to date and comfortable desktop operating system.

linuxmint.com

If you want to read more about it see below. It is my very favorite version of Linux.

Choose the right edition — Linux Mint Installation Guide documentation

linuxmint-installation-guide.readthedocs.io

What do you mean? Is there too much tweaking to do with that route as well?

You loose a lot when you jump from Windows to Linux. As much as I love Linux, reality must intrude.

My curiosity is picked, consider it asked.

Ok give me a day or two to put it together. I might create a new thread for it, but will link here if I do.

 

[AusWolf]

If you're willing to take the plunge, Mint XFCE. Lean, clean and with all the functionality you would need.

Linux Mint 20.2 "Uma" - Linux Mint

Linux Mint is an elegant, easy to use, up to date and comfortable desktop operating system.

linuxmint.com

If you want to read more about it see below. It is my very favorite version of Linux.

Choose the right edition — Linux Mint Installation Guide documentation

linuxmint-installation-guide.readthedocs.io

Ah, Mint! I've tried it before, it's not bad. Is the difference in demand for resource big among the versions? Cinnamon looks the best, thb - not that looks matter much.

You loose a lot when you jump from Windows to Linux. As much as I love Linux, reality must intrude.

I know. I would never ever have Linux on my main PC for such reasons (there is no life without MS Office and DirectX), but for a movie-watching Compute Stick, it might work.

Ok give me a day or two to put it together. I might create a new thread for it, but will link here if I do.

That would be awesome!

 

[lexluthermiester]

Ah, Mint! I've tried it before, it's not bad. Is the difference in demand for resource big among the versions? Cinnamon looks the best, thb - not that looks matter much.

On a system with only 2GB yes, the difference matters.

That would be awesome!

Fair warning this is going to require some nitty-gritty modifications of the OS and will not be for the faint of heart.

 

[AusWolf]

On a system with only 2GB yes, the difference matters.

The iso seems to be about the same size. But ok, I believe you. Maybe doing a test with both would produce some interesting reading.

Also, what do you think about a 32-bit version? Would that be lighter than the normal one?

Edit: Never mind, I see 32 bit versions aren't available anymore (at least I can't find one).

Fair warning this is going to require some nitty-gritty modifications of the OS and will not be for the faint of heart.

If I've got to dig into the registry, no problem. If you mean something more serious, um... we'll see.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Also, what do you think about a 32-bit version? Would that be lighter than the normal one?

With Windows, yes. With Linux, not really. Stick with the 64bit version of Mint.

If I've got to dig into the registry, no problem. If you mean something more serious, um... we'll see.

Fair enough.

In other news, this happened.

This leaves me wondering if I've missed something or if ThioJoe has. Gonna have to try a fresh install of 22k.168 from a stock ISO...

EDIT:
Ok, this works on a stock ISO as long as you have TPM & SB.

 

[plastiscɧ]

a "new" time table

but generally its displayed what happened in the past tho

 

[Rock N Roll Rebel]

here is a website that you can go through your services in windows 10
Black Viper's Windows 7 Service Pack 1 Service Configurations - Black Viper | BlackViper.Com

 

[theFOoL]

What y'all think. I used WINpass11 on a WiN10 drive to which I restored from a backed up drive. As I read from the Club 775 on FB they Hence that M$ will not allow updates going into the Final once installed due to your cpu.. .

 

[lexluthermiester]

As I read from the Club 775 on FB they Hence that M$ will not allow updates going into the Final once installed due to your cpu.. .

No, but when the Final ISO is released, work-arounds will be made and manual updates of critical patches can be installed.

 

[theFOoL]

critical patches - like I Get why most of people would need but me no. I'm safe when looking the Web and Defender always on unless otherwise

 

[Mussels]

People will absolutely make third party tools to update on unsupported machines, MS just wants to make it clear they arent responsible for failed updates and issues on older hardware

the broken build of 11 was also related to how it connected to an external server with bad data, so it went bad even when people rolled back as they still had something (teams) poking that server

it's all fixed now, and no longer an issue

 

[theFOoL]

Yay! On my IDE Laptop Based HDD. Installing WiN11 Preview Build

Now we'll see how good WiN11 runs Muhaha ​

 

[AlwaysHope]

When DDR5 becomes mainstream, that's when I'll be upgrading to 11 & TPM 2.0 will be default on those motherboards I would presume.
BUT won't be upgrading anything until games I like run better on 11 & it can be proven that they do reliably.
No problems... life goes on!

 

[plastiscɧ]

TPM 2.0 will be default on those motherboards

tpm is default since z300 motherboards. so basically 2 yrs

i hope i am not wrong. but z400 def!

but no1 ever used it

 

[lexluthermiester]

Yay! On my IDE Laptop Based HDD. Installing WiN11 Preview Build

Now we'll see how good WiN11 runs Muhaha ​

Tell us how THAT goes!

 

[theFOoL]

Tell us how THAT goes!

 

[AlwaysHope]

tpm is default since z300 motherboards. so basically 2 yrs

i hope i am not wrong. but z400 def!

but no1 ever used it

Dunno about Intel, been an AMD man for yrs already. They system in my sig & my B450 mobo do not have any TPM chips in them but have the headers for them. A quick check on ebay reveals they are unreasonably priced to justify their purchase imo.
Anyway, not worried, by the time game devs get around to optimising games that I like for win 11, I'm hoping mobo vendors (DDR5 tech) will have TPM chips already on them by default.

 

[plastiscɧ]

Tell us how THAT goes!

Inplace Upgrade via Windows Update
If you have problems to install an update or you get the error 0x800f0984 "PSFX_E_MATCHING_BINARY_MISSING", you can try to repair this error without an ISO.

You "force" an inplace upgrade via Windows Update by creating a registry key for it. This key will be removed automatically after the Inplace upgrade.

Start command prompt as administrator
Reg.exe Add HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion /v AllowInplaceUpgrade /t REG_DWORD /f /d 1
and press Enter.

After that it can take up to 48 hours until the Inplace Upgrade is executed via Windows Update. Therefore, you should not be surprised if nothing happens even on "Check for updates" in the first time.

As an explanation: Microsoft then downloads not only the update, but a complete version and then installs it. It is as if one provides an ISO oneself and this content is then used for the repair.

A quick check on ebay reveals they are unreasonably priced to justify their purchase imo.

heres the MAYBE solution <----

 

[windwhirl]

People will absolutely make third party tools to update on unsupported machines,

Windows Update Minitool still works, I have the feeling there won't be a need for new tools.

MS just wants to make it clear they arent responsible for failed updates and issues on older hardware

Agreed on that theory. Could have worked on their communication though.

the broken build of 11 was also related to how it connected to an external server with bad data, so it went bad even when people rolled back as they still had something (teams) poking that server

I maintain that error should never have happened. That was just stupid.

Yay! On my IDE Laptop Based HDD. Installing WiN11 Preview Build

Now we'll see how good WiN11 runs Muhaha ​

You daredevil!

 

[FireFox]

I maintain that error should never have happened. That was just stupid.

They are human beings like you and me.

 

[Space Lynx]

They are human beings like you and me.

those human beings make six figures. i make 30k. there is a difference.