Windows 11 General Discussion

Fangio1951 · Sep 22, 2021

RJARRRPCGP said:
Two weeks to go now! (14 days)

Hi Rjarrrpcgp,

Yeah, nope :eek:

= will probably wait till late December when M$ iron out the (Some) BUGS, as per their usual QA standard :banghead:

Mussels · Sep 22, 2021

Does your PC meet win 11 requirements?
Cool! install a second drive, dual boot

Does it not meet the requirements?
Cool! Dual boot windows 10 with linux or something, if you're bored. Otherwise just leave your PC alone and stop installing an OS you know will give you problems.

lexluthermiester · Sep 22, 2021

WhiteNoise said:
According to Microsoft, I do meet all system requirements.

Ok, so the next question is: Do you want to run your system with TPM & SecureBoot enabled by default? If you have no objections and have no need to run it differently, then you will be able to buy a copy of 11 and install it day one. Just be aware, troubleshooting system and software problems will have serious limitations if left in default config.

If you have a problem with SecureBoot or have a need to run your system without it, then you will need to employ work-around measures. Depending on the final release format of the ISO, there might be a need to wait until a work-around is devised. If they continue as they have been, current work-arounds will work.

freeagent said:
Those CDs were nice to see, I didn’t know they made a 10 disk. Do people still use those?

Yup and I still make them from time to time. They are handy still.

Fangio1951 said:
Yeah, nope = will probably wait till late December when M$ iron out the (Some) BUGS, as per their usual QA standard

To be fair, this beta run of Windows has been more productive than previous releases of Windows and I suspect it had a lot to do with the Feedback Hub. It has given people a way to send microsoft direct input and insights to the experience. While reading every single message is not possible, collating the data would have been easy.

johnspack said:
Please just learn linux so you can stop torturing yourself.... or at least have an alternative....

johnspack said:
I run games and any windows app you can think of under linux.

As stated in the OP, this is not a place to promote Linux. Let's rope it in...

Prima.Vera · Sep 22, 2021

Is there a simple tutorial out there on how "to cheat" stupid Win11 installer to run on a i7 3770K CPU with no support for retarded TPM ?
Thank you in advance.

lexluthermiester · Sep 22, 2021

Prima.Vera said:
Is there a simple tutorial out there on how "to cheat" stupid Win11 installer to run on a i7 3770K CPU with no support for retarded TPM ?
Thank you in advance.

Yes and it's simple if things don't change for the final release. Are you wanting to try it now or did you want to wait for the final?

PLAfiller · Sep 22, 2021

OK, so I tested the waters a bit. I downloaded the Health Check app today on my PC. I have two discrepancies, the rest is green ticks:

- one is yellow, so I guess, this one can be fixed. I saw the options in the BIOS menu: CSM and Security Boot. CSM though I think I need to convert the drive from MBR to GPT, but I will not be doing that right now.
- the other one....well I am on KabyLake, so that apparently isn't supported.

mtosev · Sep 22, 2021

windwhirl said:
W11 Rollout will be in stages. Meaning that not all compatible machines will get the upgrade option on day one. You could get it on day one or nine months down the line, depending on how Microsoft plans the rollout.

Yeah I know that the rollout will be done in stages. BTW I'm interested if MS publishes its plans when Windows 11 will be available for certain systems / hardware configurations or will I be in the dark and only know when I see the upgrade button in Windows update?

lexluthermiester · Sep 22, 2021

lZKoce said:
OK, so I tested the waters a bit. I downloaded the Health Check app today on my PC. I have two discrepancies, the rest is green ticks:

- one is yellow, so I guess, this one can be fixed. I saw the options in the BIOS menu: CSM and Security Boot. CSM though I think I need to convert the drive from MBR to GPT, but I will not be doing that right now.
- the other one....well I am on KabyLake, so that apparently isn't supported.

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So for your system, you'll need to employ work-arounds. There are several ways and even if microsoft manages to mess with them there will be more work-arounds devised. Do you want to try out the current beta? Or are you waiting for final release?

mtosev said:
Yeah I know that the rollout will be done in stages. BTW I'm interested if MS publishes its plans when Windows 11 will be available for certain systems / hardware configurations or will I be in the dark and only know when I see the upgrade button in Windows update?

Again, if you buy a copy, you can get it day 1.

P4-630 · Sep 22, 2021

Want Windows 11 on an unsupported PC? Microsoft may ask you to agree to special terms

Microsoft wants you to know what you're doing.

www.windowscentral.com

mtosev · Sep 22, 2021

lexluthermiester said:
So for your system, you'll need to employ work-arounds. There are several ways and even if microsoft manages to mess with them there will be more work-arounds devised. Do you want to try out the current beta? Or are you waiting for final release?

Again, if you buy a copy, you can get it day 1.

I know but I'm also not that stupid that I would buy win 11 if I will get it for free if I just wait a couple of months.

lexluthermiester · Sep 22, 2021

P4-630 said:
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Want Windows 11 on an unsupported PC? Microsoft may ask you to agree to special terms

Microsoft wants you to know what you're doing.

www.windowscentral.com

I'm perfectly fine with this as long as they don't prevent installation or nag us about it..

mtosev said:
I know but I'm also not that stupid that I would buy it if I can get for free if I wait a couple of months.

I'm not implying that you're stupid. There are legal rights to consider. Without going into mundane details, when you pay for something you have a certain set of rights that are not always present when you get something for free. In the case of microsoft, by getting a "free" upgrade you agree to surrender certain rights you would otherwise not surrender. By buying your software, your full legal rights are maintained entirely. There are of course variations to this, but in the case of microsoft being headquartered in the US, certain legal statues apply unless you receive something for free.

theFOoL · Sep 22, 2021

lexluthermiester said:
I'm perfectly fine with this as long as they don't prevent installation.

Indeed sir Indeed

xrobwx71 · Sep 22, 2021

lZKoce said:
OK, so I tested the waters a bit. I downloaded the Health Check app today on my PC. I have two discrepancies, the rest is green ticks:

- one is yellow, so I guess, this one can be fixed. I saw the options in the BIOS menu: CSM and Security Boot. CSM though I think I need to convert the drive from MBR to GPT, but I will not be doing that right now.
- the other one....well I am on KabyLake, so that apparently isn't supported.

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For the future if needed: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/mbr-to-gpt

ThrashZone · Sep 22, 2021

mtosev said:
I know but I'm also not that stupid that I would buy win 11 if I will get it for free if I just wait a couple of months.

Hi,
Maybe someone would want to keep their 10 install

I have an unused win-10 pro key so I'd just use it on a clean install or maybe switch keys once upgraded from the 10 install so I don't have to reinstall office/....
So it's nice to have options and extra keys hell there are cheap keys around 35.us max that are legit retail keys cheaper oem keys for like 15.us lol

theFOoL said:
Indeed sir Indeed

Yeah as long as it doesn't happen on every startup lol

Mussels · Sep 22, 2021

They've plainly said you can install the OS without their requirements, but you'll be blocked from updates

That's them stopping the 'risk' of failed updates, which we've seen linked stats to quite a few times about failed updates, updates that wont install, etc on W10 over the years

It's still entirely possible to install W11 and manually update via an ISO or third party method at your own discretion... but no automatic updates or we all know millions of people would ignore the advice, end up with f*cked machines and blame it all on windows 11 being shite

ThrashZone · Sep 22, 2021

Mussels said:
They've plainly said you can install the OS without their requirements, but you'll be blocked from updates

That's them stopping the 'risk' of failed updates, which we've seen linked stats to quite a few times about failed updates, updates that wont install, etc on W10 over the years

It's still entirely possible to install W11 and manually update via an ISO or third party method at your own discretion... but no automatic updates or we all know millions of people would ignore the advice, end up with f*cked machines and blame it all on windows 11 being shite

Hi,
Just because ms says something doesn't make it true their lab work they quote is shit mostly because they use defender as their only security lol of course you need all this new security hoops because defender is just that f'ing bad

We get the same nonsense warnings for not using ms account/ edge/ onedrive.... lol

Scare tactics are an all to common occurrence now days.

windwhirl · Sep 22, 2021

R-T-B said:
For then maybe but it gives me a bad vibe today.

Do they even have a 32-bit Win11 image?

Nope. Windows 10 will be the last one to come in a 32-bit flavor. Windows 11 is 64-bit only. And I think it's okay. 64-bit Windows has been around for almost 15 years now, it's time to move on.

mtosev said:
Yeah I know that the rollout will be done in stages. BTW I'm interested if MS publishes its plans when Windows 11 will be available for certain systems / hardware configurations or will I be in the dark and only know when I see the upgrade button in Windows update?

Nope, you will only know about it when you get the upgrade button and not a moment earlier.

ThrashZone · Sep 22, 2021

Hi,
Usually if your machine is compatible all you'd need to do is manually check for updates only question is will the update work lol
If you just wait for it might not show up for a while.

windwhirl · Sep 22, 2021

lexluthermiester said:
To be fair, this beta run of Windows has been more productive than previous releases of Windows and I suspect it had a lot to do with the Feedback Hub. It has given people a way to send microsoft direct input and insights to the experience. While reading every single message is not possible, collating the data would have been easy.

Yeah, IMO, the Feedback hub is single-handedly the greatest user-facing feature in Windows 10. And I'm glad they're keeping it around.

Mussels said:
blame it all on windows 11 being shite

I wonder, even considering that Windows 10 has over a billion users and a complaint from 0.1% of the users is a million of complaints, if a sizable portion of the trash talk that W11 gathered over the years is due to Microsoft being rather... naive with the requirements. Not talking about the SecureBoot or TPM requirements, but rather requiring just a 1 GHz processor with certain instructions support (basically every Core 2/K8 era processor and after) or 2 GB of RAM, pushing the "Send Windows 10 to everyone and everything in the world" button and over the years not exactly caring too much about what happens with older systems in their install base (thank you Nadella for cutting the QA team to a fraction, btw).

Of course, there have always been shenanigans that are entirely users' fault (if you want to screw around with things, be ready to accept the responsibility), but there have been more than a few honest complaints (with some even reaching the courts), so I wonder about how much is really Microsoft's responsibility and how much is users being ignorant or right down idiotic, manufacturers doing strange things with their hardware and their corresponding drivers, etc.

Mr Bill · Sep 22, 2021

I don't know what my future holds as far as Windows 11, this is what my copy say's.

95Viper · Sep 22, 2021

Stay the Topic.
Stop thread crapping, trolling, and/or off topic posting.

lexluthermiester · Sep 22, 2021

Mussels said:
They've plainly said you can install the OS without their requirements, but you'll be blocked from updates

The problem is that they've made a bunch of statements, some conflicting and some false. Not holding my breath...

Mussels said:
It's still entirely possible to install W11 and manually update via an ISO or third party method at your own discretion... but no automatic updates

...but let's hope this will be true.

Automatic updates have always been a pain in the nadds since it was introduced to mainstream with XP. The fact that they will deny is no concern to many as we shut them off by default anyway.

ThrashZone said:
Yeah as long as it doesn't happen on every startup lol

That's what I meant by the nagging... However, there will be a way to disable that crap if it happens.

mtosev · Sep 22, 2021

Been on Microsoft's website and I read there that win 10 version 2004 and newer can be upgraded to win 11 via Windows update.

lexluthermiester · Sep 22, 2021

mtosev said:
Been on Microsoft's website and I read there that win 10 version 2004 and newer can be upgraded to win 11 via Windows update.

So there is a version number limit then. Good to know. I wasn't able to find anything on that expect that Win10 would be upgradable. Do you happen to have the link? I like to read the details..

mtosev · Sep 22, 2021

lexluthermiester said:
So there is a version number limit then. Good to know. I wasn't able to find anything on that expect that Win10 would be upgradable. Do you happen to have the link? I like to read the details..

Your device must be running Windows 10, version 2004 or later, to upgrade. Free updates are available through Windows Update in Settings>Update and Security.

How to Get Windows 11 for Your Compatible PC

Find out how to get Windows 11 from Microsoft. Check your PC’s compatibility against the system requirements to see if you can upgrade to Windows 11.

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