Windows 11 General Discussion

[P4-630]

No worries, you will still be able to use work-arounds. Unless you're happy with Windows 10(?!?!?).

I might use windows 10 till Oct 14, 2025 EOL, but it might be sooner when I have new hardware.

 

[Stefan Zwaneveld]

Yeah... I over looked that part.. haha but honestly, I think they will open it up after it releases on October 5th. There is no way that your chip can't handle it. I have a few 6700k systems I'd like to update. Hell I have a 4770k I'd like to update to Windows 11 (My wifes pc.. lol).

You can simply install Windows 11 on older systems. By me it runs perfectly on a 3470 and a 4770K. These cpu's are strong enough to run Windows 11. No issues whatsoever.

 

[P4-630]

You can simply install Windows 11 on older systems. By me it runs perfectly on a 3470 and a 4770K. These cpu's are strong enough to run Windows 11. No issues whatsoever.

The issue is you won't get updates, at least not in the usual way.

 

[lexluthermiester]

The issue is you won't get updates, at least not in the usual way.

And? You say that like it's a bad thing...

but it might be sooner when I have new hardware.

I have compliant hardware, but I will not ever be using TPM/SecureBoot. I have my own security methodologies that are better and completely incompatible with microsofts nonsense.

 

[P4-630]

I have compliant hardware, but I will not ever be using TPM/SecureBoot. I have my own security methodologies that are better and completely incompatible with microsofts nonsense.

Going Linux?

 

[Easo]

And? You say that like it's a bad thing...


I have compliant hardware, but I will not ever be using TPM/SecureBoot. I have my own security methodologies that are better and completely incompatible with microsofts nonsense.

Yes, yes it is bad thing. I thought we were finally over the whole "updates are bad" phase.

Your own security methodologies? Ok, NSA, stop hiding.

 

[mtosev]

Should be fun if you install Windows 11 on non compatible hardware for people who are noobs and have no idea what even are updates and why they are important. Have seen people using IE on Windows 10 in the year 2019. I recommend a newer browser but nope, they also never update Skype either and then they have such an old version which can't even connect to the server. One of our friends even bought an AMD Phenom II X4 830, ATI Radeon 3000 IGP, VGA only mobo, etc computer in early 2017. That CPU was from 2010.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Going Linux?

Nope. I will install & use Windows 11 and the dumbass requirements will be bypassed. I'll be applying updates like I always have, manually.

Yes, yes it is bad thing.

Your opinion.

I thought we were finally over the whole "updates are bad" phase.

Where did I say update patches are bad?(Go back and review, read and think before you respond)

Your own security methodologies?

Not being discussed publicly.

Ok, NSA, stop hiding.

I am not worried about the government.

Should be fun if you install Windows 11 on non compatible hardware for people who are noobs and have no idea what even are updates and why they are important. Have seen people using IE on Windows 10 in the year 2019. I recommend a newer browser but nope, they also never update Skype either and then they have such an old version which can't even connect to the server. One of our friends even bought an AMD Phenom II X4 830, ATI Radeon 3000 IGP, VGA only mobo, etc computer in early 2017. That CPU was from 2010.

And those are people that need to be taught a better computing ethic, otherwise how will they learn. It is not the duty of microsoft or the government to protect us, such is our own responsibility. It is up to us to learn and teach others how to protect ourselves. Only the lazy fail to take the time to learn basic computing ethics.

 

[mtosev]

Those people will learn absolutely nothing as they don't care and they also don't give a fuck. They only realize that something is wrong when the PC stops working. Pretty sure that you came across people like that.

 

[P4-630]

I'll be applying updates like I always have, manually.

And you sure that it all works and goes the way you have planned?

 

[Dell]

Not being discussed publicly.

So is your "security methodologies" just bull you're making up or are you dead serious?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Those people will learn absolutely nothing as they don't care and they also don't give a fuck.

Not true. Everyone can learn, they just need to understand that it's important.

They only realize that something is wrong when the PC stops working.

And they need to be taught what to look for to protect themselves.

Pretty sure that you came across people like that.

Yup and generally they get an ear-full about why personal security is important and why they need to take the time to learn how to understand their PC, not just how to use it.

And you sure that it all works and goes the way you have planned?

Why wouldn't it? Been working for many years so far..

So is your "security methodologies" just bull you're making up or are you dead serious?

First, making your opening comment an implication of deception is not a great opener.
Second, why would I make something like that up or joke about it all? Hmm?
Third, did you really create a forum account just to take a jab at me?
Fourth, seriously with that screen name? Double your Dell, eh Mr T Awesome?

 

[mtosev]

My point was that they aren't interested in learning anything new. You can't teach someone who isn't interested in learning anything. Seen that often. One more example. One of our friends has mobile internet which I set up. They called me that the internet isn't working. What was the problem? Only that they haven't had 15 eur in their account. You have to fill it up every 30 days if not well no internet until you have at least 15 eur in your account. One time they called me that the internet isn't connecting. What's the issues? The modem is off. They regularly turn it off because mobile networks and WiFi isn't good for your health.

Not true. Everyone can learn, they just need to understand that it's important.

 

[Easo]

My point was that they aren't interested in learning anything new. You can't teach someone who isn't interested in learning anything. Seen that often. One more example. One of our friends has mobile internet which I set up. They called me that the internet isn't working. What was the problem? Only that they haven't had 15 eur in their account. You have to fill it up every 30 days if not well no internet until you have at least 15 eur in your account. One time they called me that the internet isn't connecting. What's the issues? The modem is off. They regularly turn it off because mobile networks and WiFi isn't good for your health.

I had a case at work where we received a ticket that WiFi was down. Turns out that a Java dev (an actual, experienced, well paid one) decided to unplug the local access point on his own. Why? Because the radio waves are bad for health! Of course, one could wonder why he did not care about mobile phones, or all the other WiFi networks in that building from other companies. Logic does not always work/matter.
We simply moved that AP further away from his table.

 

[Stefan Zwaneveld]

The issue is you won't get updates, at least not in the usual way.

Well, I'm sure there will be a work around, so you can update "normaly". There have always been work arounds for stupid things.

 

[windwhirl]

Well, I'm sure there will be a work around, so you can update "normaly". There have always been work arounds for stupid things.

WuMGR

 

[R-T-B]

WuMGR

It's been working for me, and I'm not even an insider, lol.

 

[Stefan Zwaneveld]

WuMGR ??

 

[R-T-B]

WuMGR ??

Yes.

GitHub - DavidXanatos/wumgr: Windows update managemetn tool for windows 10

Windows update managemetn tool for windows 10. Contribute to DavidXanatos/wumgr development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

 

[Stefan Zwaneveld]

WumGR, what's that ?

 

[VulkanBros]

WumGR, what's that ?

Windows Update Manager

 

[FireFox]

Cool. So driver glitch then? Or do you think it might be a driver glitch with Win 11?

I tried again the 472.12 Nvidia driver and no go, same issue as last time, installed the driver and rebooted, black screen, again had to reboot 2 times before it worked, started playing a game and surprise

Log Name: System
Source: Display
Date: 26/09/2021 17:45:46
Event ID: 4109
Task Category: None
Level: Warning
Keywords: Classic
User: N/A
Computer: None
Description:
Application FIFA19.exe has been blocked from accessing Graphics hardware.
Event Xml:
<Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event">
<System>
<Provider Name="Display" />
<EventID Qualifiers="0">4109</EventID>
<Version>0</Version>
<Level>3</Level>
<Task>0</Task>
<Opcode>0</Opcode>
<Keywords>0x80000000000000</Keywords>
<TimeCreated SystemTime="2021-09-26T15:45:46.3685247Z" />
<EventRecordID>11525</EventRecordID>
<Correlation />
<Execution ProcessID="10400" ThreadID="0" />
<Channel>System</Channel>
<Computer>None</Computer>
<Security />
</System>
<EventData>
<Data>FIFA19.exe</Data>
<Data>
</Data>
</EventData>
</Event>

Rolled back to driver 471.96 and now it is working smoothly again.

No doubts its the Nvidia driver + W11 build 22000.194 the issue.


Also i found that when i put the Pc to sleep and then i wake it up i get this ( Audio icon )



It says ( Logitech PRO X Gaming Headset - muted ) although the microphone works

 

[windwhirl]

The microphone is controlled separately. Though why your headset gets muted if you put your PC to sleep I have no idea

 

[FireFox]

The microphone is controlled separately. Though why your headset gets muted if you put your PC to sleep I have no idea

It says that it is muted but isn't
Sure it is W11 build 22000.194 the issue, it doesnt happens in build 22000.168

 

[lexluthermiester]

I tried again the 472.12 Nvidia driver and no go

No doubts its the Nvidia driver + W11 build 22000.194 the issue.

Maybe. It could also be the fact that this is NVidia's first go at Windows 11 specific drivers and they might have a minor issue to fix. So stay on the older drivers until they fix the problem. Or you could do as I do and stick with a driver until there is a reason to update. I find I'm installing/updating drivers a FRAK-TON less this way, with no ill side effects. Again, the old idiom applies, "If it's not broken, don't fix it.".