Windows 11 General Discussion

stinger608 · Oct 20, 2021

Solaris17 said:
I only game with steam, and everything's been working fine.

Awesome, thanks man!!!!!

FireFox · Oct 20, 2021

stinger608 said:
Has anyone tested Steam games running 11?

I just tried 1 game and it is an old one Doom 2016,

Mussels · Oct 20, 2021

Andy Shiekh said:
What is the easiest way to update to 22000.282?

Updates, sign in to insider, beta channel. It's not to W10 standards but its much much better.

stinger608 said:
Has anyone tested Steam games running 11?

No sorry, no on in the whole world
(every program that works in 10, works in 11. It's only a few performance issues remaining and visual bugs, not compatibility issues)

johnspack · Oct 20, 2021

Well, that's easy enough. Use uup dump, then run it through Fix Kit. Have an up to date iso "282", and install it on any computer you want.
By the way.. I actually like win11 a lot more than win10. Not enough to walk away from linux... but it is much better than 10 from what I see.
Fresh install just to test... updates just fine: Oh, and openshell still reports 10 for some reason....

Mussels · Oct 20, 2021

Confirmed in the other thread, but i'm within margin of error with the L3 cache performance between 10 and 11 here.
Yes, some runs i see dips... but i see them in both OS's.

lexluthermiester · Oct 20, 2021

stinger608 said:
Has anyone tested Steam games running 11?

Yup. Admittedly, I have a very limited Steam library and I haven't tried all of them. The Steam client, Secret Of Mana, Trials of Mana, Command & Conquer Red Alert 3 and all the Final Fantasy's work perfectly. I own but haven't tested any of the Halo games, but I'm sure they'll work fine.

What games are giving you issues? Or were you just asking?

Shrek · Oct 20, 2021

In some sense the slow Ryzen cache bug shows that real changes are being made with Windows 11 and now just cosmetic add-ons.

stinger608 · Oct 20, 2021

lexluthermiester said:
Or were you just asking?

Yep, just asking. Didn't know if people were having issues with Steam or not.

lexluthermiester · Oct 20, 2021

stinger608 said:
Yep, just asking. Didn't know if people were having issues with Steam or not.

Fair enough. I'm having no issues with Steam or Epic. I don't run Galaxy(I direct download all of my GOG titles) so I can't speak on that one, but I doubt it's having issues either. Honestly, Windows 11 is gaming ready and I have moved on to it and am not looking back. You all know how picky I am about running Windows a particular way.

windwhirl · Oct 20, 2021

stinger608 said:
Yep, just asking. Didn't know if people were having issues with Steam or not.

None so far.

Steve-007UK · Oct 20, 2021

All my games on steam and uplay and origin and more are all working fine.

Also when was this AMD cache patch ment to be out? i heard the 19th but not had no updates yet and am also on the retail version i guess as updated from windows 10

Hypnotized621 · Oct 20, 2021

I'm wondering myself where's that Microsoft update that was supposed to come out yesterday? Somebody said don't expect it until the end of the week or the next couple weeks. Hopefully AMD releases that chipset driver tomorrow and maybe my motherboard manufacturer will release a bios update soon. I'm not getting the frame rates I should be getting in ArmA 3.

windwhirl · Oct 20, 2021

Introducing Android™ Apps on Windows 11 to Windows Insiders

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~~It's just for insiders right now, but I imagine in a few months at most it will reach general availability.~~ It's not yet available. It seems it's just about to launch but not yet

Something to note, though, it runs on HyperV, so you might need to enable virtualization (both the UEFI switch and the Windows features) to use it.

Announcing Android™ apps on Windows 11 Preview for Windows Insiders in the Beta Channel

UPDATED 1/26/22: The preview of Android™ apps on Windows 11 is now available for Windows Insiders in the Release Preview Channel in the U.S. UPDATED 11/4: The preview of Android™ apps on Windows 11 is now available for Windows

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Also, only available on Beta channel (strange) for computers set to US region, and you need a US-based Amazon account.

Hypnotized621 · Oct 20, 2021

windwhirl said:
Introducing Android™ Apps on Windows 11 to Windows Insiders

Windows is a platform for creators Windows is the most open platform on the planet for creators. Part of living our commitment to openness is welcoming partner technologies and content that deliver powerful experiences. And what makes Window

blogs.windows.com

It's just for insiders right now, but I imagine in a few months at most it will reach general availability.

Something to note, though, it runs on HyperV, so you might need to enable virtualization (both the UEFI switch and the Windows features) to use it.

Are you talking about VBS? The SSD caching software I use causes Windows to crash when I restart my PC every time I enable it.

windwhirl · Oct 20, 2021

Hypnotized621 said:
Are you talking about VBS? The SSD caching software I use causes Windows to crash when I restart my PC every time I enable it.

No, just the CPU virtualization capability (Intel's VT-x or AMD-V) in UEFI (at least on my X570 board it's called SVM), and the Hyper-V feature in Windows (though I imagine that if you enable the Android Subsystem, it will toggle on HyperV and anything else it might need by itself).

Not sure what happens if you also enable HyperV, though. Memory integrity, which is HVCI, can be disabled even if you have HyperV enabled, but I'm not aware of other virtualization-based security features that might be working in the background, which might affect your caching program, if such currently unknown-to-me features actually exist.

lexluthermiester · Oct 20, 2021

windwhirl said:
Introducing Android™ Apps on Windows 11 to Windows Insiders

Windows is a platform for creators Windows is the most open platform on the planet for creators. Part of living our commitment to openness is welcoming partner technologies and content that deliver powerful experiences. And what makes Window

blogs.windows.com

~~It's just for insiders right now, but I imagine in a few months at most it will reach general availability.~~ It's not yet available. It seems it's just about to launch but not yet

Something to note, though, it runs on HyperV, so you might need to enable virtualization (both the UEFI switch and the Windows features) to use it.

Announcing Android™ apps on Windows 11 Preview for Windows Insiders in the Beta Channel

UPDATED 1/26/22: The preview of Android™ apps on Windows 11 is now available for Windows Insiders in the Release Preview Channel in the U.S. UPDATED 11/4: The preview of Android™ apps on Windows 11 is now available for Windows

blogs.windows.com

Also, only available on Beta channel (strange) for computers set to US region, and you need a US-based Amazon account.

HyperV you say? Hard pass. HyperV is completely disabled on my systems. Android apps on Windows is little more than a novelty anyway.

phanbuey · Oct 20, 2021

windwhirl said:
No, just the CPU virtualization capability (Intel's VT-x or AMD-V) in UEFI (at least on my X570 board it's called SVM), and the Hyper-V feature in Windows (though I imagine that if you enable the Android Subsystem, it will toggle on HyperV and anything else it might need by itself).

Not sure what happens if you also enable HyperV, though. Memory integrity, which is HVCI, can be disabled even if you have HyperV enabled, but I'm not aware of other virtualization-based security features that might be working in the background, which might affect your caching program, if such currently unknown-to-me features actually exist.

I notice that even though I have HVCI and VBS disabled completely it's still a massive performance hit if I leave VT on in the bios -- only when i shut it off completely does performance come back to normal.

Unfortunately I run WSL2, docker and VMs for my dev work and testing so usually I just eat the 15% cpu hit and just play games when I can leaving it on.

windwhirl · Oct 20, 2021

lexluthermiester said:
HyperV you say? Hard pass. HyperV is completely disabled on my systems. Android apps on Windows is little more than a novelty anyway.

Mhm, as of right now it's interesting but of little use for most people, I suppose.

phanbuey said:
I notice that even though I have HVCI and VBS disabled completely it's still a massive performance hit if I leave VT on in the bios -- only when i shut it off completely does performance come back to normal.

Unfortunately I run WSL2, docker and VMs for my dev work and testing so usually I just eat the 15% cpu hit and just play games when I can leaving it on.

Sort of same, not WSL though, just a VM. Figured that I might as well just turn everything on and call it a day.

Rock N Roll Rebel · Oct 21, 2021

I think they are having a hard time fixing the CPU problem it might take a while

Shrek · Oct 21, 2021

I thought it was fixed with 22000.282

Hello Windows Insiders, today we’re releasing Windows 11 Build 22000.282 to Windows Insiders in the Beta and Release Preview Channels.

This update includes the following improvements:

We fixed an L3 caching issue that might affect performance in some applications on devices that have AMD Ryzen processors after upgrading to Windows 11 (original release).

...

GerKNG · Oct 21, 2021

reading through the last 5 pages convinced me to stay away from W11

freeagent · Oct 21, 2021

Aida says it sucks, and it benches lower in some things but for the most part its ok. I mean for regular day to day stuff it feels fine, it feels pretty good, and looks a bit nicer. I kind of like it.. 10 always looked so blah..

theFOoL · Oct 21, 2021

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tabascosauz · Oct 21, 2021

GerKNG said:
reading through the last 5 pages convinced me to stay away from W11

freeagent said:
Aida says it sucks, and it benches lower in some things but for the most part its ok. I mean for regular day to day stuff it feels fine, it feels pretty good, and looks a bit nicer. I kind of like it.. 10 always looked so blah..

Benching lower in synthetic benchmarks but the games I play are consistently, noticeably smoother and less stutter than 10. And that's without the latest L3 patch. Which is odd because CPU clocks are way down in CPU-bound games, and it still often chooses the wrong cores at the moment.

The new subtler Windows sounds alone are much more acceptable for me. The old 10 disconnect/connect/UAC/login sounds are so jarring and honestly freaking annoying.

In any case, it's less about "11 bad" and more that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Only reason I jumped on 11 was because I was overdue for a clean install anyway.

freeagent · Oct 21, 2021

Yes it is hammering all of my cores too, she gets pretty toasty.. but its nice to see her stretch her legs a little.. I just have the regular not an insider install, and it runs games just fine. Also probably the reason why I couldn't run +200 reliably with 11.. if the schedular is pretending to be the new guy.

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