Would you buy a 4 GB graphics card in 2022?

[Mussels]

Is that what's going on? I thought NVidia did away with compression? Weird. Ok, that explains it.

lossless hardware compression

NVCOMP
Optimizing Data Transfer Using Lossless Compression with NVIDIA nvcomp | NVIDIA Developer Blog

I'm sure they have a patent or two stopping directy copying by AMD, they just have a slight edge there. AMD do it to some extent as well.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Bold statement, don't let Steve Burke from Gamers Nexus hear you talk like that ;-)

And are you sure of that $99 gpu? Nvidia made 4GB models as recent as the GTX1650 and the base models had a $150 msrp. Add a little "fancy design tax" like with an Asus Strix and suddenly you have a $230 4GB 'budget' card. So a $199 RX6500XT is neither upsetting nor surprizing to me.
Not that I would buy one, I doubt it will outperform my 1070OC Strix

I don't think Steve would take much issue with what I've said, in fact, I believe he would be inclined to agree that if less than stellar hardware such as the 6500 XT was sold for highly affordable prices, it would outweigh its weaknesses and that is pretty much what I was trying to get at. I planned on buying one... but I gave up once I saw the hilarious pricing, esp. for the ASUS TUF which was the only one I could stomach.

The 6500 XT is in the same performance bracket as older GPUs like the RX 550, which had a $79 USD launch price five years ago, according to the TPU GPU DB, sure one may argue that component shortages yada yada and that even without that, costs have risen due to tech process and all... alright, let's throw AMD a 100% margin to work with here to increase pricing on this exact same performance bracket which is *absurdly* high and you could still have a $159 MSRP 6500 XT if every single component that goes in such a board is twice as expensive. Most would not be.

Alas, it is the age of the cryptocurrency and NFT scam, and we have the lingering effects of an (ongoing?) pandemic... MSRPs have become meaningless, and so did budget hardware die a slow death.

 

[Athlonite]

yeah even on special here I think I'd rather buy used RX580 8GB GPU's

 

[ExcuseMeWtf]

I would because I don't do many AAA games.

I wouldn't buy 6500XT even if it was x16 though, due to laughable display output options (+ gimped encoding/decoding, but mainly former). It's crap even at MSRP, let alone current pricing.

 

[KLiKzg]

4GB should be awfully cheap, once the mining pass that memory limit...so only 8GB card will be available to mine.

This was posted 1 month ago...now, these days - you can find GTX 1060 3GB cards for 1/2 of price of 6GB.
Why so much difference?
3GB card cannot crunch.

 

[Warigator]

Absolutely not. 8 GB is the absolute minimum that makes sense in 2022 in my opinion. 4 GB is so 2015.

 

[AleXXX666]

Yes, why not, if you are not into religion of "8GB is barely enough" lmfao.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Absolutely not. 8 GB is the absolute minimum that makes sense in 2022 in my opinion. 4 GB is so 2015.

Yes, why not, if you are not into religion of "8GB is barely enough" lmfao.

Can't we please not start THAT debate again?

 

[Hardcore Games]

My Vega 64 is 16GB which I believe is that way forward for gaming. I even feel 12GB is a tad of a compromise.

 

[Chrispy_]

My Vega 64 is 16GB which I believe is that way forward for gaming. I even feel 12GB is a tad of a compromise.

You mean your non-gaming Vega64 Pro card is 16GB?

Consumer Vegas were all 8GB, and to date none of them have yet to run into a VRAM limitation and will likely be too slow to run future games needing >8GB by the time they arrive, if driver support isn't dropped for them first. Polaris (RX480) is already the oldest architecture getting game-ready drivers now and Vega is next in line to be dropped after that.

At 4K in a tiny handful of AAA titles you might new struggle to run max settings with 8GB VRAM but at the same time, the Vega64 is only delivering 60fps at 1080p in those games. 4K is a slideshow even ignoring the VRAM, so the way to get playable framerates at 4K is to drop quality settings or use FSR - both of which dramatically reduce the VRAM requirements well below 8GB agian.

 

[Metroid]

I would not even buy a 8gb gpu in 2022, minimum around 12gb right now.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
I bought a evga b-stock 980ti 6gb in early 2021
For 150.us think it was a good deal seeing gpu prices exploded soon after lol

Games I bought before 980 released and a couple that came bundled with two 980's I bought back then work just fine.

Would I buy a 4gb in 2022 :/ well depends on price really and what I'd use it for
4gb card would play some games well obviously not on max settings lol but 4gb card would make a nice entertainment center gpu for movies/...

 

[Chrispy_]

I would not even buy a 8gb gpu in 2022, minimum around 12gb right now.

Depends on the potency of the card. 3070Ti and above should all have come with at least 12GB from the start. We're already seeing RTX games at 4K pushing the limits of an 8GB 3070Ti and whilst framerates are in the 30's that's enough for some people so the card should have enough frame buffer for the maximum graphical settings.

1080p cards don't need more than 8GB yet. There aren't even any games that push beyond 6GB yet when running at 1080p.

One thing you have to remember is that the current-gen consoles dictate how much VRAM game developers are willing to use; Both PS5 and XBSX have 16GB shared memory of 9-11GB typically available for the GPU depending on how complex the compute/AI side of the game engine is. Developers will be optimising content for those consoles first.

 

[dirtyferret]

12GB of RAM, what are we gaming on an etch a sketch? In 2022, I would not purchase a video card with less than 36GB of GDDR7X RAM, anything less is just uncivilized.

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[Metroid]

Depends on the potency of the card. 3070Ti and above should all have come with at least 12GB from the start. We're already seeing RTX games at 4K pushing the limits of an 8GB 3070Ti and whilst framerates are in the 30's that's enough for some people so the card should have enough frame buffer for the maximum graphical settings.

1080p cards don't need more than 8GB yet. There aren't even any games that push beyond 6GB yet when running at 1080p.

One thing you have to remember is that the current-gen consoles dictate how much VRAM game developers are willing to use; Both PS5 and XBSX have 16GB shared memory of 9-11GB typically available for the GPU depending on how complex the compute/AI side of the game engine is. Developers will be optimising content for those consoles first.

Well I only play 4k 60hz at moment and thinking about 4k 120hz or 8k 60hz next few months ahead and yes anything lower than 4k, there is no need for 12gb or more, 8gb will do just fine.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Scaling works just fine heck consoles have been doing it for a long long time.

 

[seth1911]

RX 6500 no one want them,
even one of my favor shops list the XFX for a weekend sale for about 180€ + free shipping with nearly zero margin and nearly no one would buy it or in another seight only 1 bought it.

 

[Chrispy_]

RX 6500 no one want them,
even one of my favor shops list the XFX for a weekend sale for about 180€ + free shipping with nearly zero margin and nearly no one would buy it or in another seight only 1 bought it.

Three years ago you could pick up one of many RX570 cards for $119. If you looked for specials, you could sometimes find them for $99.

So, it's fair to say that if you were even remotely interested in a graphics card in 2019 and you didn't already have something better you'd have picked up an RX570. Throughout 2019 they were flooding the market with RX570 cards that were overproduced as a reaction to the huge demand of the previous mining boom.

Three years later the 6500XT comes along at 2.5x the price and it's basically the same performance but it lacks outputs, encode/decode hardware, and performance tanks irregularly if you're not using a PCIe 4.0 motherboard.

There's a reason it's sat on the shelves, unsold; Even if people didn't pick up an RX570 in 2019, it's been possible to pick up a used GTX 970 which is in the same performance ballpark for under $200 throughout the entire GPU madness of the last two years.

Only the desperate AND ignorant would have missed all of this and see the 6500XT as a viable GPU purchase.

 

[AleXXX666]

Three years ago you could pick up one of many RX570 cards for $119. If you looked for specials, you could sometimes find them for $99.

So, it's fair to say that if you were even remotely interested in a graphics card in 2019 and you didn't already have something better you'd have picked up an RX570. Throughout 2019 they were flooding the market with RX570 cards that were overproduced as a reaction to the huge demand of the previous mining boom.

Three years later the 6500XT comes along at 2.5x the price and it's basically the same performance but it lacks outputs, encode/decode hardware, and performance tanks irregularly if you're not using a PCIe 4.0 motherboard.

There's a reason it's sat on the shelves, unsold; Even if people didn't pick up an RX570 in 2019, it's been possible to pick up a used GTX 970 which is in the same performance ballpark for under $200 throughout the entire GPU madness of the last two years.

Only the desperate AND ignorant would have missed all of this and see the 6500XT as a viable GPU purchase.

i have 5500XT running with 10105F which has PCI-E 3.0. and it's x8 only graphics card. i play 1080p high or 1440p low Hitman 3 or GTA V 1440p high. I see 80+ fps in both titles. Wow, am I really missing that 20 fps difference when I already have baby-smooth 80? Or even less diff? So yeah, get used toasted GPU for a little cheaper than "cut down" new, which is only on paper, but in real world there is tiny difference.

 

[ExcuseMeWtf]

5500XT is actually a bit faster than 6500XT LMAO. Says a lot how bad 6500XT is.

 

[lexluthermiester]

5500XT is actually a bit faster than 6500XT LMAO. Says a lot how bad 6500XT is.

That depends on the benchmarks you look at, but it's still better than the RX580 and at much lower price and electrical usage.

Radeon RX 580 vs Radeon RX 5500 XT vs Radeon RX 6500 XT [videocardbenchmark.net] by PassMark Software

The RX 6500XT is still better than what many consider to be a good alternate choice to the high GPU prices of today..

 

[Chrispy_]

5500XT is actually a bit faster than 6500XT LMAO. Says a lot how bad 6500XT is.

The irony about this thread is that everyone was worried about the lack of VRAM on the 6500XT and that is the least of its problems; You could put 16GB on the 6500XT and it would still suck.

 

[Chrispy_]

That depends on the benchmarks you look at, but it's still better than the RX580 and at much lower price and electrical usage.

Radeon RX 580 vs Radeon RX 5500 XT vs Radeon RX 6500 XT [videocardbenchmark.net] by PassMark Software

The RX 6500XT is still better than what many consider to be a good alternate choice to the high GPU prices of today..

They are comparing the 6500XT to 8GB cards though, and those still command a very high price because of ETH mining (claimed $550). Search ebay sold listings and the median price a working RX570 4GB goes for is $160 which likely matches the 6500XT in performance/$

 

[lexluthermiester]

They are comparing the 6500XT to 8GB cards though, and those still command a very high price because of ETH mining (claimed $550). Search ebay sold listings and the median price a working RX570 4GB goes for is $160 which likely matches the 6500XT in performance/$

Did you actually read those benchmark results? First, the 570 was just an OC'd 470 and Second, it does NOT match the 6500XT. The 6500XT handily beats it..

Radeon RX 470/570 vs Radeon RX 580 vs Radeon RX 5500 XT vs Radeon RX 6500 XT [videocardbenchmark.net] by PassMark Software

 

[Chrispy_]

Did you actually read those benchmark results? First, the 570 was just an OC'd 470 and Second, it does NOT match the 6500XT. The 6500XT handily beats it..

Radeon RX 470/570 vs Radeon RX 580 vs Radeon RX 5500 XT vs Radeon RX 6500 XT [videocardbenchmark.net] by PassMark Software

Did you actually read my comment?
Search ebay sold listings and the median price a working RX570 4GB goes for is $160 which likely matches the 6500XT in performance/$
The 6500XT is 15% faster and 20% more expensive.