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X58 overclocking club

Anyone here familiar with Hynix 2Gbit BFR or CFR? I got a bunch of 4GB, dual rank registered ECC sticks, but I can't figure out the timings. Auto works up to 1866, but the timings are horrendous. 1866 11-12-12-28. I have no idea what to set the secondary and other timings to, like tRFC, tRRD, and read/write delays. I think those are preventing me from going higher.

I'm not sure if these being Registered ECC has a negative affect. On the Samsung sticks it seemed to help with frequency. Than again I could have been lucky with a good batch.
 
Is it possible they're just not running in ECC mode? Is there a way to tell whether or not the ECC function is active?
 
lexluthermiester said:
Registered DIMMs aren't officially supported on X58. How did you get them working at all?
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They need to be 2Rx8. Anything x4 does not work, at least not on any of my x58 boards. I don't have a Core i7 to test it with so I can't say if registered DIMMs work with the desktop CPUs. I've seen a few posts on other sites stating 1Rx8 worked, but I can't confirm. 4Rx8 might work, but those sticks are kinda expensive and rare on the used market.

These are the boards I've tested:
- EVGA X58 SLI (132-BL-E758) - Needs hardware mod for Xeon CPUs.
- Asus Rampage II Gene
- Asus Rampage II Extreme

I recommend using the IDT branded registers. Avoid the Inphi registers. There's a bug or safety feature that causes the RAM to temporarily brick itself. It won't post even if you move it to another motherboard. You have to let them it sit unpowered for a few days, or stick them in the freezer for a few hours. Then they work like nothing happened. It's happened with every stick with the Inphi register, and it's happened on multiple motherboards. I attached pictures of both. The ones with the giant "Inphi" text should be avoided.

Canned Noodles said:
Is it possible they're just not running in ECC mode? Is there a way to tell whether or not the ECC function is active?
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ECC appears to be enabled, but there's no option in the BIOS on the EVGA X58 SLI. In Windows 7 and 10, I get WHEA-Logger error messages for "Component: Memory" "Error Source: Corrected Machine Check", if the memory is borderline unstable. With non ECC sticks, I don't get these errors, it just bluescreens. What's nice with Windows 10 is it includes the memory address the error occurred in. It makes it easy to pinpoint a bad stick, rather than having to test one by one.
 

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Got 3 sticks of the Hynix 2Gbit CFR to work a 1200Mhz, 11-13-12 1.675V. It's benchmark stable. Can't seem to get 1250Mhz to boot with any settings. I think tRAS needs to be higher, but 31 is the highest setting in the bios.

I haven't seen any WHEA correctable errors while using these Hynix sticks, only blue screens if it's unstable, so I don't know if ECC is working with these. It works with the Samsung.
 

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Hello all,

I have an gigabyte x58a-ud7 with core i7 960 on it. But just 6 GB of Ram (3x 2GB)
I want to increase the Ram but it is impossible to get triple channel DDR3 especially in Turkey.
I looked to the web and found as a dual channel replacement (2x 8GB) "Patriot PV316G186 °C0 K Black Mamba 16 GB 1866MHz, CL10, 2 x 8 GB DDR3 RAM KIT".
Here is my question friends;
Is there anybody here using this Ram? And is it compatible?
I do not want to spend too much to my rig. I need this PC to be running at least for a few years more.

Thanks for your advice...
 
For your processor https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...20-ghz-4-80-gts-intel-qpi/specifications.html
It states that "Memory Types --> DDR3 800/1066"

If you buy 1866 MHz memory, in the SPD chip there may not have 800 MHz and 1066 MHz SPD data. It may cause problem. Be sure that those frequencies on the ram modules have those programmed into SPD. As an example have bought 2133 MHz Ripjaws from Trident, but it has no 1866 MHz SPD programmed, I can not use it at default 1866 MHz in the past for AMD 8350 processor. (But, it did work at 2133 MHz, it worked on an overclock capable Asus mainboard.)

Be sure, the modules have those two frequencies programmed into SPD chip on them for better compatibility.


It does not say, only 1866 and 1600 MHz. Tested Platforms: Intel® 6 & 7 Series, your chipset is 5 series. Mainboard states 2100+ memory support, maybe it can work!

Note: x58 systems are really aged. There is a real good x299 Supermicro mainboard, which is incredibly cheap at www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005865088657.html and https://www.ebay.com/itm/394959476762 but it needs TPM module to be separately purchased. The hint is that, it is second hand and it has no onboard audio, but if you have a graphics card with HDMI output and a HDMI sound bypass capable monitor, this is no problem. I have a newly build Asus Pro WS C422-ACE mainboard with W-2195 processor on it. If I have not got it already, I will but this Supermicro C9X299-RPGF. I only do not have info about, is it capable of resizable bar support or not.
 
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X58 was one of Intel's best platforms to date in my opinion. It had power and longevity. I built countless client PCs on this platform. Although it lacks AVX, it was a relevant gaming platform for years.

The hard drive I had stored all my screenshots on shit the bed a few years ago, so I no longer have them. I do however, have some validations.

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x58 was 3 channel capable, no AVX, no NVME, relatively slow PCI express 2, no real secure boot support, lacks UEFI.

x79 was good, PCI express 3 welcome with it, used DDR3 4 channels, secure boot and UEFI capable, but lacks M2 connector but bios is modifiable for it, there are many Chinese mainboards supported this feature. (Only Asus x79 Deluxe has it in its latest bios from known builders.) https://github.com/xCuri0/ReBarUEFI mentions support for Resizable bar support for it.

x99 was better than x79, used DDR4 4 channels, NVME drivers present at bios. Easy to add Resizable bar support. AVX2 present. Optional TMP support but, no processor support for Windows 11.

x299 was much better than x99, still 4 channels, a bit faster DDR4, AVX512 and later AVX512F support. Resizable bar included after some time in bios'es by known builders. It has terrible downfall mitigation causes AVX2 performance drop by %50 if new microcode applied, this is the biggest handicap for 5th and upper generation processors on it.

To be fair, no any new technology on x58 was present that we talk about right now. I do not support your opinion anyhow xmanrigger. We have used many computer systems, for me starting from 286 and Amiga times, but I do not wish to mention that they are good enough. Nowadays, we are passing to artificial intelligence, which needs more ram and more processing power. Even Windows 11 is not good enough. I think, Windows 12 will need minimum 10th to 11th generation processors with optimal 32 GB ram.
 
Jeez mellow out karakarga! People like to play with older stuff, it's fun! I went through all the x58 stuff and I enjoyed it. And you can install windows 11 on any computer you want
if you know how. It's not hard. I still run x99 for intel and x399 for amd, and I can install win11 on both. But I prefer linux. Pretty sure I'll be able to install win12 as well. Enough said....
 
Dn_z said:
Hello all,

I have an gigabyte x58a-ud7 with core i7 960 on it. But just 6 GB of Ram (3x 2GB)
I want to increase the Ram but it is impossible to get triple channel DDR3 especially in Turkey.
I looked to the web and found as a dual channel replacement (2x 8GB) "Patriot PV316G186 °C0 K Black Mamba 16 GB 1866MHz, CL10, 2 x 8 GB DDR3 RAM KIT".
Here is my question friends;
Is there anybody here using this Ram? And is it compatible?
I do not want to spend too much to my rig. I need this PC to be running at least for a few years more.

Thanks for your advice...
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I've heard of a lot of issues with x58 and 8gb sticks. The platform isn't really designed for it since sticks of that capacity did not exist when it came out.
 
RyzenMaster.sys said:
I've heard of a lot of issues with x58 and 8gb sticks. The platform isn't really designed for it since sticks of that capacity did not exist when it came out.
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As I hearth somebodies are using 8GB modules. But they generally using server oriented xeon branded CPUs.
So I do not have solid info about 8 GB RAMs wrt. core i7 branded CPUs with X58 chipset.
 
I've used the 8GB version of the shorter Crucial Ballastix Tactical LP. They work fine at 1866 9-9-9-24 with the Xeons. You need to increase bclk for the locked Xeon CPUs. I'm not sure if that's needed with the i7 960.

AVX? I've yet to have needed it for home use. Nvme works. It's slower due to PCIE 2.0, but still 3x faster than most Sata SSDs. Midrange and older highend GPUs are fine with PCIE 2.0. The lack of secure boot and UEFI are upsides. I've had nothing but problems with it on newer platforms.

Windows is garbage atm. Games run horribly on Windows 10, compared to Windows 7. CPU usage is higher, while fps is lower. Lots of input lag if you don't disable fullscreen optimization. Windowed mode is worse. I'm not going to bother with 11. I'm trying Linux. It has it's own set of problems that shouldn't exist, like how it enables intel speed-step even though it's off in the BIOS. Once all the garbage is removed, it runs great. At least the garbage stays removed after updates.
 
RyzenMaster.sys said:
I've heard of a lot of issues with x58 and 8gb sticks.
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As long as the BIOS of the board in question is up to date, it's not a problem.
RyzenMaster.sys said:
The platform isn't really designed for it since sticks of that capacity did not exist when it came out.
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Actually, that is completely incorrect. Intel planned for certain address spaces and that gave RAM advances room to grow, as evidenced by their own specs page.

Intel® Xeon® Processor X5650 (12M Cache, 2.66 GHz, 6.40 GT/s Intel® QPI) - Product Specifications | Intel

Intel® Xeon® Processor X5650 (12M Cache, 2.66 GHz, 6.40 GT/s Intel® QPI) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.
ark.intel.com ark.intel.com

Intel® Xeon® Processor X5680 (12M Cache, 3.33 GHz, 6.40 GT/s Intel® QPI) - Product Specifications | Intel

Intel® Xeon® Processor X5680 (12M Cache, 3.33 GHz, 6.40 GT/s Intel® QPI) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.
ark.intel.com ark.intel.com
288GB max.
 
lexluthermiester said:
As long as the BIOS of the board in question is up to date, it's not a problem.

Actually, that is completely incorrect. Intel planned for certain address spaces and that gave RAM advances room to grow, as evidenced by their own specs page.

Intel® Xeon® Processor X5650 (12M Cache, 2.66 GHz, 6.40 GT/s Intel® QPI) - Product Specifications | Intel

Intel® Xeon® Processor X5650 (12M Cache, 2.66 GHz, 6.40 GT/s Intel® QPI) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.
ark.intel.com ark.intel.com

Intel® Xeon® Processor X5680 (12M Cache, 3.33 GHz, 6.40 GT/s Intel® QPI) - Product Specifications | Intel

Intel® Xeon® Processor X5680 (12M Cache, 3.33 GHz, 6.40 GT/s Intel® QPI) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.
ark.intel.com ark.intel.com
288GB max.
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Those are xeons with ecc support, which is a whole different ballgame. Much higher capacity ecc ddr3 sticks are and were available than the conventional unbuffered stuff on a non c series server board in discussion here.

8gb udimms were not a thing in 08. Not saying it can't work (I have gotten 8gb udimms to work on x58 but rarely use them), and a bios update definitely will put you in the right direction, but it's a much safer bet to just buy 4gb dimms and save the potential headache.
 
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I also like to use some old stuff, but x58 is not among them. Compaq 486 mainboards, Slot 1 mainboards, Tualatin CPUs, Rambus mainboards, AGP graphics to use with Windows 98 SE, up to 478 pin processors and mainboards. Upper than this, it needs a fast modern computer. A LGA 775 with 661 processor can run Windows 10, so there I stop. Because DDR2 has nearly 8GB ram limit, and it is low for Windows 10. PCI express graphics cards do not have old operating system drivers and their mainboard chipsets, including the onboard components. They all together do not have drivers for older operating systems before year 2000.

There are many instances, for example, Windows 98SE can only work up to 1GB, more than that, causes crash. Between a fast 486 to 478 pin CPU they are at the same platform. AGP cards have Windows 3.1 to Windows 7 drivers. Like nVidia 6xxx series (excluding Windows 3.1), it has PCI version too. But, You can not cut down a 2 GB DDR2 module for Windows 98SE, you need a 1 GB module, but other driverless components make you stop in the end installing other necessary drivers.

Starting from LGA 775, x58 stays in the middle of todays new platform.
 
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RyzenMaster.sys said:
Those are xeons with ecc support, which is a whole different ballgame. Much higher capacity ecc ddr3 sticks are and were available than the conventional unbuffered stuff on a non c series server board in discussion here.

8gb udimms were not a thing in 08. Not saying it can't work (I have gotten 8gb udimms to work on x58 but rarely use them), and a bios update definitely will put you in the right direction, but it's a much safer bet to just buy 4gb dimms and save the potential headache.
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Yeah, I'm not going to argue this. I have personally tested 8GB and 16GB, standard, ECC and Reg ECC dimms with X58, they all work, depending on motherboard support. Full stop, end of discussion.

karakarga said:
I also like to use some old stuff, but x58 is not among them.
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Good for you. You've come into this thread bitching and bemoaning without regard for the actual point of the thread. That's called thread trolling and it is not welcome. So either quit your whining and get on topic or we will report you to the mods.
 
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lexluthermiester said:
Yeah, I'm not going to argue this. I have personally tested 8GB and 16GB, standard, ECC and Reg ECC dimms with X58, they all work, depending on motherboard support. Full stop end of discussion.


Good for you. You've come into this thread bitching and bemoaning without regard for the actual point of the thread. That's called thread trolling and it is not welcome. So either quit your whining and get on topic or we will report you to the mods.
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Dear lexluthermiester,

Did you ever used the motherboard that I mention, Gigabyte X58A-UD7 v1 ?
And a regular (not extreme edition nor xeon) i7 cpu on it?
And if yes, did you achieved to use with 8 GB Rams?

Thank you.
 
Dn_z said:
Did you ever used the motherboard that I mention, Gigabyte X58A-UD7 v1
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I think I have crossed paths with it. It was a long time ago. With Gigabyte's X58 series, ECC & Reg ECC RAM types are not supported but 8GB and 16GB(if you can find them) DIMMs were.
Dn_z said:
And a regular (not extreme edition nor xeon) i7 cpu on it?
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So the Quad core series? Yeah.
Dn_z said:
And if yes, did you achieved to use with 8 GB Rams?
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I have tested 8GB DIMMs with an i7-920, an i7-950, a W3680 and an X5680 in an MSI board. I've also tested ECC RAM variants in HP and Dell workstation systems. They worked fine WITH an up to date BIOS. This is a key point. Your BIOS must be the latest for whatever system you use.
 
xmanrigger said:
X58 was one of Intel's best platforms to date in my opinion. It had power and longevity. I built countless client PCs on this platform. Although it lacks AVX, it was a relevant gaming platform for years.
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X58 was a great platform in its day, and it's still very fun.

To toy around with anymore my preference are 32nm chips. The extra 2 cores, better IPC, and especially the impressive overclocking headroom really make them fun. I've spent a considerable amount of time putting an aio in ice water and pushing $5 xeons on x58.

The 45nm CPUs are, in a lot of ways, just a much more feature rich version of Core2, now with 3 channel DDR3 IMC, HT, and L3 cache. The IPC doesn't seem much different though.

Thats a nice overclock you had going on the 930. What did you use to cook it?
karakarga said:
x58 was 3 channel capable, no AVX, no NVME, relatively slow PCI express 2, no real secure boot support, lacks UEFI.
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The platform has it's shortcomings, I will agree. But they are almost entirely age related, so most of them I really would find it hard to fault it for. Just about any platform this old has substantial shortcomings in this day and age.
 
RyzenMaster.sys said:
X58 was a great platform in its day, and it's still very fun.

To toy around with anymore my preference are 32nm chips. The extra 2 cores, better IPC, and especially the impressive overclocking headroom really make them fun. I've spent a considerable amount of time putting an aio in ice water and pushing $5 xeons on x58.

The 45nm CPUs are, in a lot of ways, just a much more feature rich version of Core2, now with 3 channel DDR3 IMC, HT, and L3 cache. The IPC doesn't seem much different though.

Thats a nice overclock you had going on the 930. What did you use to cook it?

The platform has it's shortcomings, I will agree. But they are almost entirely age related, so most of them I really would find it hard to fault it for. Just about any platform this old has substantial shortcomings in this day and age.
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I had a Heatkiller waterblock on it if that is what you were asking.
 
Dn_z said:
Hello all,

I have an gigabyte x58a-ud7 with core i7 960 on it. But just 6 GB of Ram (3x 2GB)
I want to increase the Ram but it is impossible to get triple channel DDR3 especially in Turkey.
I looked to the web and found as a dual channel replacement (2x 8GB) "Patriot PV316G186 °C0 K Black Mamba 16 GB 1866MHz, CL10, 2 x 8 GB DDR3 RAM KIT".
Here is my question friends;
Is there anybody here using this Ram? And is it compatible?
I do not want to spend too much to my rig. I need this PC to be running at least for a few years more.

Thanks for your advice...
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Thank you all friends, for the valuable answers.
I asked/emailed Patriot Ram support and they said "Patriot PV316G186 C0K Black Mamba 16 GB 1866MHz, CL10, 2 x 8 GB DDR3 RAM KIT" is incompatible with X58 chipset.
 
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