X79 and/or rampage IV OC'ing thread for those of us still left....

[dalekdukesboy]

It could just be a design thing with that particular board. I have two P9X79 Deluxe boards, my old 3820 is in the other machine and the more recent 3930k in the one I'm using now. I've pushed the both pretty hard at times, but I never fried components on either board.

Yes, but this board had some "funk" in it from the start when I bought it so much so I bought this regular RIVE as a replacement when I thought it was dead but then it started working seemingly fine for a while. Anyway I was using crappy pump that came with AIO cooler I had that was expandable and I was trying to add a d5 pump and somehow it wasn't working properly I believe I even described experience earlier in thread.

I'd say it was just a design thing or it doesn't like certain cpu's etc but I had issues with the gpu overclocking and the CPU overclocking and shutdowns and right from the start the ultra high/extreme LLC options did NOT work board would just shut down on startup or under load if it made it to windows. I thought it odd but it worked on lower settings so I wrote that off as a quirk or oddity. Now even when I downclocked it to 4.5 ghz few nights ago the screen was just randomly going black and then turning back on and it's not the GPU. Using the same gpu in new board and it's fine and it was in old RIVE I had.

So I simply have to conclude from all the things I tried the board either was messed up when I got it or the crappy PSU I first used with it fried some components or at least helped it along if it already was limping. At any rate, a learning experience it is what it is. Probably some bad capacitors/resistors or other electrical problem that is not allowing the power delivery to work properly. I could go through list of problems (maybe I will in another post) but for now I'm just tuning in my RIVE....3rd RIVE lol.

 

[Aquinus]

ultra high/extreme LLC options

With enough voltage, essentially turning off LLC can kill a CPU. Personally, I don't think fiddling with LLC is worth it for a 24/7 overclock, but that's me. My P9X79 hasn't been the best of overclocking boards, but it definitely has a lot of options for tweaking and it gets the job done. Personally, one of the biggest selling points (for me,) was the 16+4 power phases on the P9X79 Deluxe. It really is a great board. I wouldn't have two of them now otherwise.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Right now I'm ready to just give up. I couldn't get the realtek onboard sound to "show up" when I clicked on the settings but the sound worked. After a restart it still doesn't "see" them but I've had issues with the onboard sound with one of the other boards and that's why I have an add on soundblaster card so no big deal I put that in...still doesn't fucking work. Now, after updating all drivers etc with 2 speakers and a subwoofer I've had for a decade + suddenly only way sound will work is if I pick "5.1 surround" and my 3 speakers pretend to be the surround sound speakers and will work as such, no other proper stereo setting works.

Admittedly I'm close to throwing whole box out the window after pissing in it. The irony here is one thing that always worked on that fucked up black RIVE I just took out of the system was the nice built in HD soundcard it had. I know there's an answer here and I can think straight and troubleshoot it I'm just too pissed and annoyed to even deal with it. The irony that nothing worked correctly but sound on other system now this one seems perfect and yes the stereo/sound did work at first just the software/hardware wasn't communicating but it worked, now at some point as I said when I was fiddling with getting OC dialed back in with restarts...this weird surround only speakers thing happened and no other configuration works. This is after installing latest drivers etc for both the onboard and the add on card.

UPDATE: I still don't know what is up with realtek onboard sound but the add on card I had from few years back I used for a good while on one of the RIVE's needs a splitter from the typical green speaker input....to a red/white 2 prong connector that goes into the card. Thankfully I still had manual and after taking a break and laying on couch to chill I wondered if I still had manual (I keep everything) unfortunately that's why so much shit is around but in this case it pointed right to splitter...and I was even smart enough to put it in my empty old PSU box that I have all my tools/screws/odds and ends to do my pc work with. It was right there in plain sight I wasn't sure I'd ever find it but I just looked in the box I use most and barely notice it anymore apparently for it was right in there....now I got stereo and it's an older sound blaster creative card but it's still at least as good or better than the one onboard black board and quite a bit better than realtek even though I find those to be decent. So...thanks for letting me rant and I even solved my problem sooner and easier than expected. God computers can be frustrating! lol

Another sound oddity I want to run by you guys now that I do have it (somewhat) working. There are several options regular stereo/stereo direct/surround 5.1 for some reason regular stereo doesn't work with anything in Windows, but if you hit "test" it does work when soundcard software tests the soundcard/speakers. Only option will work is "Stereo Direct" which seems to be stereo but you can't use any tuner or effects with it....any ideas? I tried reinstalling realtek and it still has that same oddity, so part of me thinks this may be a driver/windows problem especially where Windows obviously has shut off incorrectly so many times. That I will pursue and seek to correct but beyond that if you guys had other ideas or experience with sound issues that may help me not waste more time down wrong path I'd love to hear it.

Just on a humorous note, the first couple paragraphs of my last rage/quit type post reminded me of the many memes out there that show either a monkey or donkey headed figure etc smashing a desktop or laptop to bits or shoving it off the table presumably because of issues with it lol. I have a feeling I'm not alone on this forum with having a few moments like last night (and others) where enthusiasts of all levels of experience had an absolute love/hate relationship with PC and wondered why they bothered with it to begin with.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Just out of curiosity what is the highest you guys have run stable on your FSB on your X79 rigs? I'm particularly interested with people who have an Asus board or cpu similar to mine ivy-E but anyone can feel free to post I just am curious what people get/expect for OC'ing their FSB or if many of you don't even push it on X79? On this new board so far highest I got stable is 135 at the 125 strap so roughly 10 mhz OC from stock 125.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

I hope these are ok here...

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Found one of the EVGA Classifieds I was after

Romeo.... Oh Romeo...

Where for art thou Quad Channel Memory Romeo.

 

[phill]

It was a shame that my air cooler got in the way of ram I used, but I should have used the smaller ram lol Thankfully for a quick turn on and test that it actually posted, that was good enough for me... If only the same could have been said for the UD7 board I bought...

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Romeo.... Oh Romeo...

Where for art thou Quad Channel Memory Romeo.

Never thought of Romeo and Juliet when I fire up my quad channel x79 but interesting thought to put in my head...

It was a shame that my air cooler got in the way of ram I used, but I should have used the smaller ram lol Thankfully for a quick turn on and test that it actually posted, that was good enough for me... If only the same could have been said for the UD7 board I bought...

This is one reason of many I a couple years ago got my first AIO water cooler, I had so many clearance issues and even in some cases had to almost bend the side panel to get it on because the air cooler stood out so far, not to mention the cable wiring nightmare trying to get around that massive copper/metal skyscraper you had filling the middle of your motherboard. I still have my dh-14 Noctua in spare parts bin and it's nostalgic, but I don't miss having it in my CPU one bit.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Oh this isn't directly an X79 thing but it's related because it runs my X79 literally lol, Windows 10. I'll preface this with saying I've loved and hated Windows since I first saw it as 3.1 or whatever the first version was then through Windows 95-Present which is Windows 10. Windows 7 I liked the layout, however I did have a lot of stability issues and honestly so far of all the Windows versions I've had Windows Vista was by far the worst (never tried WIndows 8.1) the interface alone and stories I heard about it scared me away and now I have Windows 10 just for compatibility and appears Microsoft may not even move on from it just update it.
Anyway just wondering who here has it, and what suggestions you'd have to make it run better or what programs I can shut off as well as what are the big offenders for stability issues especially when pushing your OC as I always do. I don't give a crap about all the effects I just want the leanest version of WIndows with what I need with the least possibility of it having issues. Anyway would love to hear thoughts and suggestions on what I can do and what programs maybe even in Windows I can use to tune it up because it's crashed plenty and had tons of things installed/uninstalled etc and I'm sure it isn't in perfect health.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Oh this isn't directly an X79 thing but it's related because it runs my X79 literally lol, Windows 10. I'll preface this with saying I've loved and hated Windows since I first saw it as 3.1 or whatever the first version was then through Windows 95-Present which is Windows 10. Windows 7 I liked the layout, however I did have a lot of stability issues and honestly so far of all the Windows versions I've had Windows Vista was by far the worst (never tried WIndows 8.1) the interface alone and stories I heard about it scared me away and now I have Windows 10 just for compatibility and appears Microsoft may not even move on from it just update it.
Anyway just wondering who here has it, and what suggestions you'd have to make it run better or what programs I can shut off as well as what are the big offenders for stability issues especially when pushing your OC as I always do. I don't give a crap about all the effects I just want the leanest version of WIndows with what I need with the least possibility of it having issues. Anyway would love to hear thoughts and suggestions on what I can do and what programs maybe even in Windows I can use to tune it up because it's crashed plenty and had tons of things installed/uninstalled etc and I'm sure it isn't in perfect health.

O&O shutup10

Startisback or classicshell - install these last though in the past I've had Windows updates break my Windows 10 because it didn't like one of these and wouldn't allow me onto my desktop. I had no choice but to reinstall Windows 10

Anyway I think there's like a Windows 10 lite version in existence or if not it will be soon.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

O&O shutup10

Startisback or classicshell - install these last though in the past I've had Windows updates break my Windows 10 because it didn't like one of these and wouldn't allow me onto my desktop. I had no choice but to reinstall Windows 10

Anyway I think there's like a Windows 10 lite version in existence or if not it will be soon.

Thanks for quick response! Yes I was just going through posts of endless complaints of how Windows 10 "broke" or did the breaking of raid setups and various other specific pc setups that other operating systems were working fine with. Oddly this RIVE seems stable as a rock and isn't having the shutoff issues that the RIVE black ended up suffering from as well as not being able to run/start with LLC on highest settings...but that said Windows is really enjoying blue screening with errors under stress or LINX just fails. I can't for the life of me figure out how a system that had serious power delivery problems as the black RIVE could actually pass multiple runs of stress tests at 4.7 ghz + and seemingly healthy RIVE's (had a few) can't. However I'd had start menu glitches and issues with Cortana recently etc so I know WIndows is a bit "off" and part of it could be the many times it simply was shut off incorrectly as the RIVE black crashed.

Anyway this RIVE is here to stay so all I can really do is make sure Windows isn't the culprit and go from there.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

I turn Cortana off on all my machines. I even turn OK GOOGLE off on all my android devices. Its not something ive ever really needed

 

[dalekdukesboy]

No idea what the deal with this thing is, I can't even get it stable at 4. 6 ghz with cpu running cooler than ever. I went back to beginning of this thread and on RIVE I was using at the time on win 7 it actually was stable at 4.7 ghz with low memory settings. Now with this board, NOTHING passes above 4.6 ghz makes absolutely zero sense. I'd say it was CPU degradation after a year of using it (which isn't very long) but considering I got the highest stable OC's at lowest voltages just days ago with a failing RIVE black board...that doesn't add up. I admit I'm pretty bummed, I got best cooling I've ever had yet I can't figure out what is going on. Only thing I haven't tried is reflashing bios to see if that is an issue. I know I've reset bios but I will do that now and give it a try.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

No idea what the deal with this thing is, I can't even get it stable at 4. 6 ghz with cpu running cooler than ever. I went back to beginning of this thread and on RIVE I was using at the time on win 7 it actually was stable at 4.7 ghz with low memory settings. Now with this board, NOTHING passes above 4.6 ghz makes absolutely zero sense. I'd say it was CPU degradation after a year of using it (which isn't very long) but considering I got the highest stable OC's at lowest voltages just days ago with a failing RIVE black board...that doesn't add up. I admit I'm pretty bummed, I got best cooling I've ever had yet I can't figure out what is going on. Only thing I haven't tried is reflashing bios to see if that is an issue. I know I've reset bios but I will do that now and give it a try.

ever considered re-capping your RIVE? If you take it to electrician they might do it for a small fee.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

ever considered re-capping your RIVE? If you take it to electrician they might do it for a small fee.

I've heard the term but don't know much about what that even is, I just got it stable for 10+ runs at 4.55 ghz so wondered if I had good settings or just because I only tried 4.5 or 4.6 nothing inbetween....it was the latter 2 things...although last night I just quickly tried 4.68 which is fairly high but I've gotten stable before. So I'm going to try 4.6 and 4.62 depending on multipliers etc and see if vtt/Vcc settings are key or not. Kinda saddens me that RIVE black just had some sort of electrical issue, seemed amazing other than that. I've not reflashed BIOS yet but I just not much faith that matters much. Not sure anyone in my area actually does that kind of work. Though I could check around.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Its basically taking all the capacitors off your motherboard and replacing them with fresh ones or more expensive ones that will help voltage regulation and other stuff. Some folks have successfully resurrected really old motherboards by re-capping them.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Its basically taking all the capacitors off your motherboard and replacing them with fresh ones or more expensive ones that will help voltage regulation and other stuff. Some folks have successfully resurrected really old motherboards by re-capping them.

I basically guessed and assumed that is what you meant that it was replacing all the capacitors and various "boxes" on the board that can be replaced without getting into all the board traces and electrical connections in board and various other systems. I have heard of refurbished boards and bought them so I assume at the least they recap them and possibly even replace sockets and various other things that require even more than some basic soldering and couple connections like the capacitors. Anyway I like the idea and I have considered that, who knows, that may be all that RIVE Black needs, actually...that is very likely what it needs. One of the problems with that board I saw reported was defective capacitors that at times literally fell off the board. None of mine fell off or appeared loose but don't need to be to misfunction and possibly even totally not work and be essentially mobo jewelry with aesthetic value only....

However....

This may not seem like much of a test using 128 mb's of memory, but the fact that board/CPU managed to stay stable for 3 runs @ 4.873 ghz seems to imply the overall condition of board/cpu has to be fairly good I was fairly amazed honestly. I tried 16 mb's and at first wouldn't work then suddenly it did...so I went as far as it would go and pass. Never crashed windows, never shut down pc etc like the Black was doing. Granted, this is only for a few seconds but it still had to make 3 computations correctly however small at a ridiculously high rate of speed lol.

This is best OC I have managed stable with this board and memory was at 2400+ with CPU @ 4549 ghz and using my standard 10gigs of memory to test out of 16 gigs installed.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Update on OC'ing/RIVE. I mentioned this earlier with RIVE black but I was having issues with my monitor black screening for a second or two and restarting and obviously I figured it could be a video problem but also that it was related to the MOBO which was having the shutdowns under stress and I think even did a couple times idling. However I hadn't mentioned it here yet but issue "came back" and I've been just muttering about it and wiggling the cord and did some google searches about it and most of the time it's either an HDMI cord issue with contacts or bad wires or it's possible you have a monitor on the fritz. Granted, I coulda guessed either of those and I already had, but looking it up for my specific issue validated my hunch that my nice aftermarket HDMI gold plated cord, was crap, or turned to it somehow despite only being a few years old and only used on a TV till recently.

So I played around before googling for assistance and wiggled cord on both ends and nothing happened if I touched end at graphics card, however where it hooked to monitor it would either turn screen black if I wiggled enough or it just showed a couple very faint lines across screen. Anyway long story short I thankfully had 1 more cord I didn't realize I had and swapped it out just now after finding it. SO far no flickering or signs of screen corruption which I did notice occasionally whether I wiggled cord or not, very minor and almost so little you wondered if you even saw it.

Also I only got 1 run stable but first time 4.6 ghz EVER passed even a single run of IBT with 10 gig memory used. I noticed before it would occasionally "pause" during tests for second or less and least so far it appeared none of that either during a few minutes of test. I'm not sure how much a bad cable/signal to your video card could screw up stability but I suppose if it was a bad signal the video card is always communicating with your mobo even while barely used so could it cause instability? I'm asking you guys, but I'm going to run few more tests/game with it and find out. Also I'll find out if cable is the whole problem and hopefully the stupid black screen blips don't come back, pretty annoying when your'e trying to read email and do stuff and you have to wait for screen to wake up lol.

Yes it failed on 3rd run but it did pass 2 runs @ 4.601 and as I said previously I did everything but voodoo tried every multiplier and voltages and not once would it pass, ever. So no black screens in couple hours or whatever it's been I've had it on and seems more stable at higher clocks, methinks this can't be a coincidence.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Well I'm still dabbling away with my board someone else must have something to say don't let our thread die! Lol. A couple people were talking about their progress with 1680's as well as searches for boards or ones they recently got I just went back through thread but no one has had any updates so to all of you....what say you? I don't even care if it's no new news post naked selfies...well don't do that just joking but would like benchmarks or other interesting pictures or #'s particularly where right now I'm back to the basics with my old RIVE trying to get where I got with the black, but don't know if it's possible. It's just weird how the black board would pass stability tests so much higher while having such power delivery issues or whatever caused the shutdowns etc, I still can't wrap my head around how it was passing multiple stability tests at such high levels yet was so "unstable" to just shut down etc...yet this board takes far more voltage to get 4.6 stable at all and I haven't even gotten near 4.7, yet my temps are better than ever, go figure. Anyway happy Easter everyone!

 

[dalekdukesboy]

 

[phill]

Maybe it's all of this testing your doing with it and it's just pushing it a little more than 'normal use' and it's worn it out? A possibility I think or that the CPU is de graded in some way or another?

Enjoy the rig and use it rather than using it for LinX would be my only thought

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Maybe it's all of this testing your doing with it and it's just pushing it a little more than 'normal use' and it's worn it out? A possibility I think or that the CPU is de graded in some way or another?

Enjoy the rig and use it rather than using it for LinX would be my only thought

I know I'm bit obsessive, but that's why I have this thread lol. However what you see here is 1% of what pc does time-wise, most of time it idles essentially, as I read emails, surf web, some dumb social media, and watch videos/live radio shows etc....as well as a game or two I still play.

So I'm just saying this so you realize I don't talk of all the rest because, well the thread isn't about that stuff lol. Anyway I have considered that Phill, but in theory the cpu is made to do a shit-ton of # crunching and some do so for years and that's what a Xeon probably would do in a server oftentimes I would think. The board definitely isn't tired least not from me, only used this one a month or less, CPU I've had I think exactly a year now.

Anyway just addressing what you said and as I said trying to keep thread going and active.

 

[agent_x007]

Just out of curiosity what is the highest you guys have run stable on your FSB on your X79 rigs? I'm particularly interested with people who have an Asus board or cpu similar to mine ivy-E but anyone can feel free to post I just am curious what people get/expect for OC'ing their FSB or if many of you don't even push it on X79? On this new board so far highest I got stable is 135 at the 125 strap so roughly 10 mhz OC from stock 125.

Valid : https://valid.x86.fr/6697ue (166MHz strap)

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Valid : https://valid.x86.fr/6697ue (166MHz strap)

Wow, I tried the 166 strap and at least so far I NEVER get it to work, however not sure I tried it at 4 ghz or less. I don't think a lot of mobo's/cpu's like it, I tried with this cpu, my 3930 and 3960 and quickly gave up wouldn't even boot on any of them.

 

[phill]

I know I'm bit obsessive, but that's why I have this thread lol. However what you see here is 1% of what pc does time-wise, most of time it idles essentially, as I read emails, surf web, some dumb social media, and watch videos/live radio shows etc....as well as a game or two I still play.

So I'm just saying this so you realize I don't talk of all the rest because, well the thread isn't about that stuff lol. Anyway I have considered that Phill, but in theory the cpu is made to do a shit-ton of # crunching and some do so for years and that's what a Xeon probably would do in a server oftentimes I would think. The board definitely isn't tired least not from me, only used this one a month or less, CPU I've had I think exactly a year now.

Anyway just addressing what you said and as I said trying to keep thread going and active.

LinX is a very heavy going test, so putting nearly 1.6vcore through the CPU which is stock at 1.1vcore or 1.2v at most(??) might stress and de-grade it a little. If you run the tests over and over it will kill it. Had it with a bench years ago. Stock speeds, XTU, it killed several i3 6320's as they where running and running the same test over and over to get the most amount of points they could. I know as I did it as well. When they released the unlock bios for overclocking the CPU it went nuts.. But even then, the CPU really did degrade fast and i never lasted, I have an RMA'd one in one of my OCF boards (I'd like to swap it for a 6700k if I can find a decent priced one) and likewise for the same of the Xeon..

I admire the overclocking and pushing to the limits, but you over do it if it was a cherry picked chip it'll just die slowly and it just won't last at all.. That's what I think might have happened. I'd also note that I think Xeon's do have a lower operating temp too, so just be weary as I'm sure you are

I'm only getting across a point of view as well, I mean no ill feelings by it either I don't want to see dead hardware posts etc

 

[HUSKIE]

Count me in. (Sabertooth and 4930k).I just got this again after 5 months. I sold this pc off my mate and he gave me for free as he went back home... Let's abuse this hardware. Lol