Xeon Owners Club

[phill]

Well, I'm not too worried about it though. I have my D5400XS to satisfy my dual cpu cravings. Just ordered a pair of X5460's for it actually. 8 cores @ 3.8GHz should do quite well.

My 5960X at the moment is the only 8 core I'm using, but I've a Xeon from work that I'm hoping to get a server to put it in to, which would go nicely with the cancer crunching I hope to do with it I've not yet tried it with the 5960X....

 

[stuartb04]

Depends on what you want to do with it, to what advice you might want @stuartb04

maybe push it futher or leave as is?

@stuartb04 NB Frequency to at least 3GHz please.
How you managed 16GB on Triple Channel ?
4x4GB ?

2 x 4gb -1333mhz- have had for a long time.

4 x 2gb-1066mhz-- pc repair shop included it when i bought mobo and old i7 940 last month.

 

[lexluthermiester]

maybe push it futher or leave as is?

I'm a bit conservitive, so take this for what it's worth; I'd leave it as is. That's a good OC! The temps are good, voltage isn't too high. Looks like you got it solid.

 

[phill]

maybe push it futher or leave as is?

Well that's a personal choice mate, simply because it's all up to you

What I'm doing with my 5960X is pushing it up a bit at a time until I need far too much voltage for it to be what I'd like it to considered safe for 24.7. When I get there, I back it down to where I'm comfortable to and tweak the hell out of it and then enjoy it
So at the moment, I'm sat at 4.5Ghz on all 16 threads @ 1.156vcore. I know this CPU will do 5Ghz on ambient water @ 1.35vcore, but it's nowhere near stable and I'd rather not risk killing off £1000... (What I paid for it about 2.5 years ago...)
I might settle for about 4.6Ghz to 4.8Ghz.. The magical 5Ghz on all 8 cores and 16 threads, bit much of an ask sadly even for this CPU

If you wanted, set yourself a temp limit of say about 80 to 85 at most. Get near to it with the cooling, check volts and speeds and if your happy with it, keep it there. Failing that as you've gone past the speed your at, you could put it somewhere in the middle Either way you choose, the most important thing is to enjoy the system and make it how you want Personnally, not a fan of the whole RGB and Vue cooling and rigid tubing, so I'm not going anywhere near it lol But each to their own Be proud of what you make and more importantly, no change that, most importantly.. Game or use it however you want to and enjoy it Maybe even catch you on Steam sometime

 

[stuartb04]

Well that's a personal choice mate, simply because it's all up to you

What I'm doing with my 5960X is pushing it up a bit at a time until I need far too much voltage for it to be what I'd like it to considered safe for 24.7. When I get there, I back it down to where I'm comfortable to and tweak the hell out of it and then enjoy it
So at the moment, I'm sat at 4.5Ghz on all 16 threads @ 1.156vcore. I know this CPU will do 5Ghz on ambient water @ 1.35vcore, but it's nowhere near stable and I'd rather not risk killing off £1000... (What I paid for it about 2.5 years ago...)
I might settle for about 4.6Ghz to 4.8Ghz.. The magical 5Ghz on all 8 cores and 16 threads, bit much of an ask sadly even for this CPU

If you wanted, set yourself a temp limit of say about 80 to 85 at most. Get near to it with the cooling, check volts and speeds and if your happy with it, keep it there. Failing that as you've gone past the speed your at, you could put it somewhere in the middle Either way you choose, the most important thing is to enjoy the system and make it how you want Personnally, not a fan of the whole RGB and Vue cooling and rigid tubing, so I'm not going anywhere near it lol But each to their own Be proud of what you make and more importantly, no change that, most importantly.. Game or use it however you want to and enjoy it Maybe even catch you on Steam sometime

some really sound advice there mate.

alot of my games feel smoother.especially destiny 2.locked at 70fps (monitor overclocked to 70hz) most of the time on high settings.

actually happy with how my system runs now.

so next upgrade will either be a new gfx card (1st choice) but will wait till the price drops. (1060 6gb maybe)
or a new monitor.

 

[phill]

I sometimes hope I know what I'm talking about

It's a bit like tuning a car in a way, run it at stock and it's fine, does what it needs to and it's ok, but give it a better exhaust, induction and a bit ECU tweak and it'll run smoother, have more power and better delivery of that power, it'll be like a brand new car
Same goes for these PC's.. Stock it will run and do whatever you want.. Start tweaking it.. Well much like a car it'll run smoother, play games and do things a little quicker but it'll cost you a shed load of cash and bloody hell can it become an addiction or a problem with the wife later on!! lol Thing is if you want to get one for her as well, it's twice the price and more hassle on top!! lol

A bit of advice with the GPU's, if I'm shelling out £300 or so on something, make sure that your really sure that you don't want the next model up, because not only would you have spent £300 on the first one, but when the second one cost £375 or something (as an example) and it 20% faster, that's nearly £700 and that would have bought you the top dog... I bought this 1070 thinking it would be fine and it is, but I wish I had gone for a 1080 as it's a bit faster again and it would have handled the triple 1080P panels I have better as sometimes it can hit a few dips and that bugs me.. So always worth a think I feel, I'd rather spend that bit more first time than have to spend out twice as much doing it.. Like a few things in life you get what you pay for, so make sure you pay out for what you want rather than for what your budget can perhaps afford.

Anyways, enough of all my personal opinions and bs, go forth and game sir!!

 

[stuartb04]

I sometimes hope I know what I'm talking about

It's a bit like tuning a car in a way, run it at stock and it's fine, does what it needs to and it's ok, but give it a better exhaust, induction and a bit ECU tweak and it'll run smoother, have more power and better delivery of that power, it'll be like a brand new car
Same goes for these PC's.. Stock it will run and do whatever you want.. Start tweaking it.. Well much like a car it'll run smoother, play games and do things a little quicker but it'll cost you a shed load of cash and bloody hell can it become an addiction or a problem with the wife later on!! lol Thing is if you want to get one for her as well, it's twice the price and more hassle on top!! lol

A bit of advice with the GPU's, if I'm shelling out £300 or so on something, make sure that your really sure that you don't want the next model up, because not only would you have spent £300 on the first one, but when the second one cost £375 or something (as an example) and it 20% faster, that's nearly £700 and that would have bought you the top dog... I bought this 1070 thinking it would be fine and it is, but I wish I had gone for a 1080 as it's a bit faster again and it would have handled the triple 1080P panels I have better as sometimes it can hit a few dips and that bugs me.. So always worth a think I feel, I'd rather spend that bit more first time than have to spend out twice as much doing it.. Like a few things in life you get what you pay for, so make sure you pay out for what you want rather than for what your budget can perhaps afford.

Anyways, enough of all my personal opinions and bs, go forth and game sir!!

haha..great read.

so basically i need to get a 1080.

right done.just ordered one......nah im joking.

missus would probably never speak to me again...she would see that the price of a 1080 would do our bedroom up..so need to be thnik carefully.

thinking a 1060 or a 1070 would see me good for a year or so,then move to a 1080.

thats my initial thoughts right now though and im forever changing my mind.

 

[phill]

If you think you need a 1080, get a 1080 It's pointless in my little mind to try and make do with something slower, because you'll only be pulling your hair out saying why didn't I spend the extra!! So 1060 is what about £300?? 1080 about £500 or something? £300 + £500, well may as well get yourself a 1080 Ti!! Try not to worry about what it costs so much short term, because if it saves you spending again a little later, something else will be out and faster and will only cost you more cash anyways.. Runinng X58 system will hold it back a little, but there won't be as much of a difference from a 1060 to 1080 for example Do yourself a favour, get the 1080, be happy and then treat yourself to a newer version of the 1080 or a 1080 Ti You'll thank yourself you did!

By the way, what do you run at the moment?

 

[stuartb04]

If you think you need a 1080, get a 1080 It's pointless in my little mind to try and make do with something slower, because you'll only be pulling your hair out saying why didn't I spend the extra!! So 1060 is what about £300?? 1080 about £500 or something? £300 + £500, well may as well get yourself a 1080 Ti!! Try not to worry about what it costs so much short term, because if it saves you spending again a little later, something else will be out and faster and will only cost you more cash anyways.. Runinng X58 system will hold it back a little, but there won't be as much of a difference from a 1060 to 1080 for example Do yourself a favour, get the 1080, be happy and then treat yourself to a newer version of the 1080 or a 1080 Ti You'll thank yourself you did!

By the way, what do you run at the moment?

thats what im thinking by getting a 1080 i will need to compliment it with other better components.which is more cost.

running a rx470 4gb..either 3 would be a big upgrade.

now thinkin save,save,save for futureproof purchases.

oh the joys of pc building....do love it though.

 

[natr0n]

Friend got me a 980ti asus strix and himself a 1080 FE. Since I have it for a while I put the 1080 on the dual xeon system.
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12844450
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/27494546

 

[phill]

thats what im thinking by getting a 1080 i will need to compliment it with other better components.which is more cost.

running a rx470 4gb..either 3 would be a big upgrade.

now thinkin save,save,save for futureproof purchases.

oh the joys of pc building....do love it though.

Don't believe all you read You could pair a 1080 Ti or Titan with a Core 2 Duo if you wanted or a AMD 939 based CPU but at the end of the day, the CPU will become less of a factor the high up the resolution scale you go. So 1080P yeah, you'd have a hit and it might be 10 to 20 fps, but because of the card, it's already pushing so many frames at it, what does 10 or 20fps matter when your at 100 fps or more already?? Unless your a pro gamer, I'm not sure you'd care or notice

A RX470 isn't a bad card (I have a 480 8Gb here) and it works fine for 1080P single screen. Yes I know my 1070 is faster but it's all relative as we mentioned before.. I had these for mining but after re-flashing the bios back to stock, they aren't a bad card for gaming on at all.
You could get away with a 1080 on any X58 setup, as @natr0n has pointed out below...
Still with a more powerful card rather than worrying about the CPU so much...

Friend got me a 980ti asus strix and himself a 1080 FE. Since I have it for a while I put the 1080 on the dual xeon system.
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12844450
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/27494546

Now I'm betting that if the Xeon's were able to be overclocked (in an SR-2 system as an example) the results would be a little different. At what they are now, they are slightly lower scoring than my 2600k and 1070 together, which you may not really notice in game.. I think I was scoring about the 15500 mark in Fire Strike with my 2600k @ 4.8Ghz and I think about the P21000 mark in 3D Mark 11.. My 5960X doesn't really improve on the scores very much and for the difference in costs, I'd definitely put the cash into a GPU over a CPU for a first upgrade.. When putting a new CPU with the 1080, it will be a load quicker again, so it'll be like a new GPU all over again..

You'll love it

 

[DR4G00N]

I finally decided to finish up the mods on my Evga X58 SLI LE Rev. 1.0 to run the 6-cores. Somewhere along the way the VCore control in the bios got disabled, but that's nothing a simple feedback mod on the PWM controller couldn't fix. Now it's running happily @ 4.2GHz 1.35V. I think I only paid $100 cad for the board and a i7 920 about 4 years ago.

 

[phill]

@DR4G00N I take it the EVGA boards just won't allow you to put in a 6 core and off you go unless it's a 970/980/990X I take it?

 

[DR4G00N]

@DR4G00N I take it the EVGA boards just won't allow you to put in a 6 core and off you go unless it's a 970/980/990X I take it?

Some do and some don't, it depends on the model and also the board revision. The Rev. 1.0 E757 for example needs to be modded where as the Rev. 1.1 & 2.0 ones do not. E762 is the same, 1.0 needs the mod and 1.1 doesn't. But you also have the later boards like the E770 & E767 which work out of the box with Westmere chips.

 

[phill]

Ah that's a shame as both of my EVGA Classifieds are 1.0... See buying on the day of release isn't always a good thing!

Would they work with the 980X for example then?

 

[DR4G00N]

Ah that's a shame as both of my EVGA Classifieds are 1.0... See buying on the day of release isn't always a good thing!

Would they work with the 980X for example then?

All the i7's work fine, it's only the Westmere Xeon's that have issues. The mod on the Classified's are just shorting a couple of pads together, preferably with solder but conductive ink should work too.

The W3670/80/90 should also work without mod since they are just the i7 970/980X/990X with ECC memory support.

 

[Regeneration]

If anyone here use ASUS X58 motherboard, here's a patched BIOS for Spectre.

 

[phill]

All the i7's work fine, it's only the Westmere Xeon's that have issues. The mod on the Classified's are just shorting a couple of pads together, preferably with solder but conductive ink should work too.

The W3670/80/90 should also work without mod since they are just the i7 970/980X/990X with ECC memory support.

I'll see if I can find one and see what the prices are like

 

[Zyll Goliat]

If anyone here use ASUS X58 motherboard, here's a patched BIOS for Spectre.

Hey...TY...but I am not sure if I am ready to tried that....Did you do any testing?How much we can loose in performance if we install this?

 

[natr0n]

Hey...TY...but I am not sure if I am ready to tried that....Did you do any testing?How much we can loose in performance if we install this?

You will lose quite a bit of performance.

 

[Regeneration]

Hey...TY...but I am not sure if I am ready to tried that....Did you do any testing?How much we can loose in performance if we install this?

Not a big deal in most benchmarks with the exception of VP8 encoding.

Posted some benchmark results here.

3DMark is nearly unaffected... only 28 points lower, I can live with it.

 

[agent_x007]

Ah that's a shame as both of my EVGA Classifieds are 1.0... See buying on the day of release isn't always a good thing!
Would they work with the 980X for example then?

I checked this : They work after BIOS update (depending on BIOS date/MB rev.).
Proof : https://www.3dmark.com/3dm05/5548935

Here's hardware mod required for rev. 1.0 Classified series to suppot Xeon E56xx/X56xx series : LINK.
You need latest BIOS as well.
Official EVGA Xeon support : LINK (scroll down for "X58 Series Motherboard (LGA 1366)").

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Not a big deal in most benchmarks with the exception of VP8 encoding.

Posted some benchmark results here.

3DMark is nearly unaffected... only 28 points lower, I can live with it.

Hmm...interesting....that 3d mark score also could be easily margin of error,what about Cinebench R15 score?Geekbench result maybe?

 

[Regeneration]

Hmm...interesting....that 3d mark score also could be easily margin of error,what about Cinebench R15 score?Geekbench result maybe?

I already posted AIDA64 results of a variety of CPU/FPU benchmarks, so far the performance reduction isn't that bad.

Intel made several adjustments to the microcode over the time. The latest version (0x1F) seems to be better. The previous version dropped 3DMark by 200 points on my system.

 

[lexluthermiester]

You will lose quite a bit of performance.

And without much benefit. There are no known Meltdown or Spectre exploits and the proof of concept offerings are so difficult to pull off remotely that it really wouldn't be worth the effort unless you have something of high value stored on your system, which you really shouldn't have on the net without extreme protection.