Xeon Owners Club

[agent_x007]

You can add X3370 to that Xeon group confusion (they all have the same performance/MHz).
However I reached 4,428GHz with mine (AIO) [I used 16GB of DDR3...].
It's 492 in R15 Multi.

 

[Edwired]

That some speed for the cpu you got going. What cpu did you use? As we are like 8 point between us on cinebench r15

 

[agent_x007]

I used X3370.
Why ?
Because it's good for one thing X5450/E5450 can't do...

It's X48 chipset compatible (without any mods)
Above setting is good enough for 5 passes (6-th one failed) in IntelBurnTest at Very High preset (Max. temp on cores 85C) :

I modified my AIO since that test, so now I probably could get a bit lower temps.
Side note : I got 1 point in R15 multi test, for every MHz in Real FSB Bus speed

 

[Sysopsub]

(My first post: )

Just a small question: what is the reason to get a (supposedly) reliable Xeon system and then overload it? If the backplane (motherboard) has been fried, I would scrap the system. I'd hesitate to even salvage parts from it as they may be damaged, too. (I can't discard old working hardware, really really old hardware, but I will ditch whatever causes malfunctions.)

In case you are not aware: An ML350 G6 does not have wired PCIe x16. https://support.hpe.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=emr_na-c01713311
Edit: same for DPE 2950.

 

[Edwired]

What cant the x/e5450 do that the x3370 can do? As i notices the x3370 is 15 watt higher than the e5450. As well that alot of voltage to run x3370 i wonder how much power that cpu is using in full tilt.

 

[agent_x007]

They can't work in X38/X48 motherboards.
X33x0 series can

 

[Edwired]

I knew about the x38 and x48 dont support the x/e5450 chips at all. As the e5450 i have the vid on it shows 1.113v according to hwinfo and with a mild overclock 3.6ghz running it 1.136v full tilt temps are below 48c on as it getting colder at the moment in the night not sure about the room temp. As in idle state core 1 read 23c core 2/3 reading between 15/16c and core 4 20c which is pretty good may have to lap the ihs one of the days when i get a chance to level out the temps. What you think of that

 

[SamirD]

So no real performance difference between the e5450 and the x5450?

Nope, really just that tdp on the surface. Although I'm sure there's more to it under the hood:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-Xeon-E5450-vs-Intel-Xeon-X5450/1236vs1296

You can add X3370 to that Xeon group confusion (they all have the same performance/MHz).
However I reached 4,428GHz with mine (AIO) [I used 16GB of DDR3...].
It's 492 in R15 Multi.

Yeah, the 775 xeons were interesting for sure:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compar...on-X5450-vs-Intel-Xeon-X3370/1236vs1296vs1285

And the q9650 and x3370 were basically the same except in terms of release date:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-Xeon-X3370-vs-Intel-Core2-Quad-Q9650/1285vs1050

 

[lyra]

Ooof the x3370 costs the same as what i paid for my x5672. I think ill go for the x/e5450 as they are a fifth the price and i dont mind tinkering. Out the box x38 support isn't worth that much to me as this is to be a sub 100 quid computer for my mate

 

[Edwired]

Im sure you can get asus p5q series boards for less than 100 bobs but there a board that support the e5450 which i think is a foxconn g33 not too sure of which version. It took the e5450 without a microcode as the foxconn g33 had no overclock features at all if you arent into overclocking

 

[dorsetknob]

Im sure you can get asus p5q series boards for less than 100 bobs

100 Bobs = £5

 

[Edwired]

I know it sounds funny i meant like 100 euro, dollars or any other currencies

 

[lyra]

Yeah i guessed bloody dorsetknob living up to his name again i wanna make the whole thing for a hundred quid so yeah. Found an old x38 shuttle xpc prima for 35 quid as a base

 

[Edwired]

Throw up a few pictures to see what your build be like

 

[lyra]

Will do when its done, picking it up tomorrow. Then gotta get a xeon and gpu. Im not showing my main. Its showing age and lazy rebuilds (i seem to need to fully troubleshoot it every time i sneeze in the same room as it. Mobo is dodgey.) gonna get a 7870 off a mate for it lets hope it wont get tooo choked off lol

 

[chwk5520]

Re: sysopsub

"Just a small question: what is the reason to get a (supposedly) reliable Xeon system and then overload it? "
The Whole point is to get more performance, otherwise it's just a old obsolete system.

"If the backplane (motherboard) has been fried, I would scrap the system. I'd hesitate to even salvage parts from it as they may be damaged, too. (I can't discard old working hardware, really really old hardware, but I will ditch whatever causes malfunctions.)"
Firstly on the ML350 G6 the Systemboard and Backplane are two separate boards ... the backplane is a P/S controller and mostly controls the P/S hotswap functions. Additionally you can't ditch parts until you're sure which parts are the faulty ones (unless you have a full schematic with power out test point locations) So that means you have to swap parts until you find the fault.

"In case you are not aware: An ML350 G6 does not have wired PCIe x16. "
That's interesting .... since I have one.... and then a bunch of x8 slots
(Page 81 of HP 'ML350 G6-Service_Manual_59-107-001.pdf' shows a picture of the System Board and labels item 20 as ... 'Slot 4 PCIe2 x16 (8, 4, 2, 1) 75W +EXT 75W4'

 

[Edwired]

What way is the motherboard been dodgy? Yea i did a few updates on my asus p5q premium added a few little heatsinks on some chips and added i think 60mm fan and 40mm fan both are wired together on the northbridge to shove more cool air through the fins and one little nvidia gs 8400 fan blowing on the southbridge. I know it abit overkill on the amount of fans i have running in the case but more cooling is better than overheating i post up some pictures when i get a chance

 

[chwk5520]

Does anyone know if Hot swap P/S like the HP 511778-001 / 506822-001 / etc can be tested for basic function outside of a system? I know that if you power it up outside the system the fan turns on automatically (although it's very quiet). But I can't recall if the green power light on the P/S also lights up, or if it's only lit when inserted or only lighted when actively being used (running system). Sadly I never paid attention to that when my system was working, and now I'm just trying to avoid testing with a bad P/S.

Oh and update wise ... I got a replacement P/S and backplane, installed both and still have the same 3-5 second power cycling happening (spins up fans, then powers down, spins up fans, powers down) for 4-5 times then gives up. It's like it tries to power up, but runs out of steam. So I'm fairly certain the replacement backplane is working (the odds of two backplanes being bad in the same way are unlikely). Which leaves me pondering the functionality of the replacement P/S (from eBay).

Addendum to my post above: Found the way to test HP P/S outside of server to verify functionality. I have yet to test this method myself, but have found numerous sources that echo the same solution as pictured... in case anyone is interested.

 

[lyra]

I toasted my g6. Was trying to get a standard 3 pin fan to not give me fan errors. When measuring with a multimeter i slipped and it went pop. Was power cycling and giving me a psu error light. I had a spare psu to slot in but no change. Perhaps its similar for yoy? Tbh id just get another one. They are pretty cheap if you search properly. I got mind for 40 quid

 

[chwk5520]

Lyra ...

Unfortunately server systems are a lot less common in my area ... paid 200 cad for mine (which is about 120 quid), but assuming I can get it working again for not too much more it'll be worth it. Very tempting to toss in the towel, but since I am amassing a nice collection of spare parts eventually I'll have enough to build a second system. LOL

 

[phill]

I couldn't help myself and bought something I shouldn't have...



Will put these in my SR-2 at some point and see how they do

 

[lyra]

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New computer day today! Its the x48 one not the x38 one so yay

Instantly gutted the optical drive for more cooler space

 

[lexluthermiester]

I couldn't help myself and bought something I shouldn't have...

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Will put these in my SR-2 at some point and see how they do

They should serve you well.

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New computer day today! Its the x48 one not the x38 one so yay

Instantly gutted the optical drive for more cooler space

Looks nice. I'd put a nice GPU in it though. A lot of the 1050's out there will fit nicely into that space.

 

[phill]

They should serve you well.

I look forward to seeing if they run much cooler or hotter than the X5650's currently sitting in it.. It'll be a little faster for sure, but when crunching it's not so much the speed that's important to me really... But I look forward to testing them out

 

[lexluthermiester]

I look forward to seeing if they run much cooler or hotter than the X5650's currently sitting in it.. It'll be a little faster for sure, but when crunching it's not so much the speed that's important to me really... But I look forward to testing them out

In that case, you're going to get an increase in performance while maintaining about the same temps.