Xeon Owners Club

[Edwired]

God knows what causes that unless sapphire were told under strict conditions by amd only to sell it on uefi only bios how that suppose to sell well if they didnt supports for non uefi, csm, and legecy bios no wonder amd didnt think of that in loss of translation is my guess.

I did see a good few amd sapphire nitro+ rx 580 what confusing is there 4gb and 8gb verisons along with oc model if i had the money right now i would have picked up one and test the theory on my computer

 

[johnspack]

Well since everyone and their dog now has a 1680v2 in here, think I could get 4.5 out of my sample? Does that happen? At under 1.35v of course and preferably under 1.30v stupid ivy....
We are still talking about xeons in here right?

 

[remixedcat]

Stock Dell HSF on mine thru this heat we've been having:

Please note: Since hyper-v role is installed CPU's powermgmt is locked (windows server 2012) on "maximum performance". Running on 2.4Ghz

 

[Auer]

With 90F + days here in PA my Dell T3600 with the 1620-0 has had it's temps go up quite a bit as well.

I'm the type of person who prefers a good ceiling fan and open windows over AC but I do turn on the AC if I'm about to do something CPU/GPU intensive for a while.

 

[remixedcat]

I'm in WV. It's been brutal! I got a portable ac unit that's 14KBTU and when it hit 96F my thermometer read 80F! This is with the door closed as well.

I do all my intense stuff at night and mostly use a laptop thru the hot days. My Lenovos have decent thermals. 46C on my W530 (4C8T i7) on average. 45-65C on my T430 (2C4T i5)

 

[Samiam66]

Hello all

Been absent for a while with family issues ...Had to send back the B450 Board due to potential power issues with VRM
So I digressed even further and replaced it with a Asrock X-470 Taichi Board ..What the hell

ASRock X470 Taichi AM4 AMD Promontory X470 SATA 6Gb/s ATX AMD Motherboard

Next on my list is a Roswell Rise case

And then a AMD 486DX-33 CPU ( Overclocked to 33.00009 MHz ) Wonder if a Evo212 will keep it cool ?
Actually I will buy a more modern cpu later after the hype dies on the Ryzen 7 3700X Lower TDP 65 watts
And then I should be able to play tetris without crashing

I have the W3680 which replaced a W3550 and would completely agree with you, these older Xeons are awesome for the price, the unlocked multiplier is also great on the W3680/3690 chips, with throttlestop I can get 4Ghz with it which is pretty cool for chip that's 10+ years old.

I keep it at 3.73Ghz as it seems to be a sweet spot for this chip, I have the Alpenfohn Brocken cooler on it and the temps are pretty low. I have the RX570 so graphics are a bit slower than your 580 but it's still good for the few games that I still play.

I like the w3680 / w3690 Cpus but people are asking so much for a ten + year cpu on Ebay
that ..I just went down the list a little further and got a w3565 for $6 US ...
The Z400 its in will play forza 6 & 7 beautifully but is relinquished to Master bedroom duties
Basically the Patriarch of the bunch !!!

forget Conan Obrien and those late night shows

 

[Edwired]

Well since everyone and their dog now has a 1680v2 in here, think I could get 4.5 out of my sample? Does that happen? At under 1.35v of course and preferably under 1.30v stupid ivy....
We are still talking about xeons in here right?

Well it depends on each sample of each cpu as all of them are not create equal some like low vcore, some are vcore hungry and some just compete dud. Suppose ya have to try lock the vcore at 1.30v and mess with other settings and voltages to see where it goes as ya cant expect it to get 4.5ghz right out the box. You have to look at the error codes for overclocking to pin point which settings need more or less on voltages and timings. Do you know what bsod ya getting?

 

[mouacyk]

Well since everyone and their dog now has a 1680v2 in here, think I could get 4.5 out of my sample? Does that happen? At under 1.35v of course and preferably under 1.30v stupid ivy....
We are still talking about xeons in here right?

Highly likely.

Mine is doing 36x125MHz at 1.312v. Over at OCN, I've seen a great sample as low as 1.25v, albeit with chilled water cooling. 4.6GHz takes near 1.4v and is heavily dependent on cooling. 4.7GHz gets extremely fickle.

 

[Edwired]

Cooling is a big factor limiting the overclock as some air cooling heatsink can hold the cpu back depending on room and ambient temp unless ya living in the north pole. Ideally watercooling or phase change would be suitable for 4.5ghz and beyond

 

[johnspack]

Well hope I can push this puppy to 4.5, vid is lower than on my 1660 so it is possible. Waited 3 years for one of these!

 

[lexluthermiester]

Well hope I can push this puppy to 4.5, vid is lower than on my 1660 so it is possible. Waited 3 years for one of these!

You're likely going to have fun! Don't push it too hard too fast though.

 

[toad418]

Hello guys, first time here but looks like I really need your help. For once, I just can't figure it out by myself. Will turn nuts.

I had a fully working Dell Precision T5500 (CRH6C motherboard, 2x x5690, 72GB DDR3 ECC, GTX 1060 6GB) and everything was great until the USB controller died on the mainboard. So I decided to go for an ATX compatible mainboard since I wanted to change the case as well, because those T5500 case are just too heavy to lift.

So I bought an ATX case and a Supermicro X8DTL-3F. Installed everything in the new case, installed Windows 10 Pro 64bits 1903, everything went fine. Installed the nvidia drivers, installed Steam and then I immediately saw the issue.

Can't get above 20fps in all the games i've tried so far in 1080p, and most hover at 15fps?

My complete system:
- Supermicro X8DTL-3F motherboard, latest BIOS
- 2x Xeon x5690 3.46GHz
- 48GB of DDR3 ECC (my Dell had 72GB, but my new X8DTL-3F has only 6 slots, so 3x8GB for CPU1 and 3x8GB for CPU2)
- Gigabyte GTX 1060 6GB
- Seasonic 850W PSU
- Asus 1080p 144Hz monitor
- SDD for the OS
- Windows 10 Pro 64 freshly installed, latest nvidia drivers.

At first I tought maybe it was heat related. Nope, CPU1 is around 60 under load. Then I tought maybe my GPU or CPUs would have hit 100% usage or close; nope, not even close.

Everything was working fine on my old Dell and the components are all the same, except the new case and the new motherboard.

Any idea? :/ Since a picture worth a thousand words, please have a look at the attached images. Core.png and gpu.png are both when the game is running. Very weird.

Little update: if it can help anyone, my system looks a bit slow. Exemple, just C: browsing seems to me slower than normal, same for switching on the fly between apps, there's definitely something wrong.

 

[Grog6]

Something isn't right with the video card, somewhere.

Was the old system Win10?

I'd check drivers, PCIe settings, and make sure the high speed timer is on in the bios.

At 17fps, the video card should be at 100%, so either it's not being fed, or something in the pipeline is slowing it down.

It acts like it running off a x4 pcie slot, lol.

 

[toad418]

Something isn't right with the video card, somewhere.

Was the old system Win10?

I'd check drivers, PCIe settings, and make sure the high speed timer is on in the bios.

At 17fps, the video card should be at 100%, so either it's not being fed, or something in the pipeline is slowing it down.

It acts like it running off a x4 pcie slot, lol.

Yes, the old system was Windows 10, maybe 1809 build with a different driver version.

Now everything is updated to this day so 1903 with nvidia 431.60

What is even weirder is that when I start FurMark, I can hear the GPU fan starting up and the results are normal. I never heard the GPU when I start a game; the FPS counter just stays low.

High speed timer in the BIOS, should I increase or decrease?

update: so far it's a fail, I loaded the bios ''performance'' settings, played around few settings that could be it (according to me), still a no go. Uninstalled the latest nvidia driver and let Windows install it's own, dated back from last year but same results. Some ppl have build gaming rig around the X8DTL-3F so I really, but really, do not know what's up. Even disabled the onboard VGA, onboard SAS to gain speed but nope.

 

[Grog6]

What does GPU-Z say about the video card?
What about the directx diagnostic?

Is the new mobo PCI-e 2 or 3? And is it in the right mode when you enter a game?

CPU-z shows my video card as 2.0 until it gets a load on it, then goes to 3.0; I wonder if something hardware-wise is keeping it from switching modes...

That's a really weird problem, but I've seen a couple today; I swapped my chip back to a 3930k for testing, and it made me reinstall the video driver for some reason.
It's weird suddenly seeing the 600x800 boot screen.

What if you run in Vulcan or some other video genre? If you have Doom, you can try both modes and compare.
Or try one of the benchmarks that has multiple options, like "Heaven".


I've been having issues with my Xeon E5-1650v2; it won't run memory at over 1333.

I swapped back to my 3930k, and it's running 4.2GHz and 1600 memory, with no issues; I'm going to let the HS compound cure for a day, Noctua NT-H1, and then see about 2400 again.
It ran that before.

If that works, I think I'll try the other E5-1650v2 I have, and see if it acts the same.

Anyone Ever get 4+GHz out of a E5-2650V2?
It's locked, but I saw where someone was running a 125MHz FSB; any ideas?

 

[toad418]

What does GPU-Z say about the video card?
What about the directx diagnostic?

Is the new mobo PCI-e 2 or 3? And is is in the right mode when you enter a game?

CPU-z shows my video card as 2.0 until it gets a load on it, then goes to 3.0; I wonder if something hardware-wise is keeping it from switching modes...

That's a really weird problem, but I've seen a couple today; I swapped my chip back to a 3930k for testing, and it made me reinstall the video driver for some reason.
It's weird suddenly seeing the 600x800 boot screen.

What if you run in Vulcan or some other video genre? If you have Doom, you can try both modes and compare.
Or try one of the benchmarks that has multiple options, like "Heaven".

CPU-Z screenshot below (while game is running, because in idle it's in PCI-E 1.0 mode).

The Supermicro X8DTL-3F PCI-E is a 16x lane, but works in 2.0 8X. DXDiag shows nothing particuliar, DX12, usual stuff. I seriously have no idea.

 

[Auer]

CPU-Z screenshot below (while game is running, because in idle it's in PCI-E 1.0 mode).

The Supermicro X8DTL-3F PCI-E is a 16x lane, but works in 2.0 8X. DXDiag shows nothing particuliar, DX12, usual stuff. I seriously have no idea.

Any specific reason for using a driver from 2018?

 

[lexluthermiester]

CPU-Z screenshot below (while game is running, because in idle it's in PCI-E 1.0 mode).

The Supermicro X8DTL-3F PCI-E is a 16x lane, but works in 2.0 8X. DXDiag shows nothing particuliar, DX12, usual stuff. I seriously have no idea.

Any specific reason for using a driver from 2018?

Have to agree, update your drivers and let us know if the problem persists.

GeForce Game Ready Driver | 431.60 | Windows 10 64-bit | NVIDIA

Download the English (US) GeForce Game Ready Driver for Windows 10 64-bit systems. Released 2019.7.23

www.nvidia.com

 

[toad418]

Have to agree, update your drivers and let us know if the problem persists.

GeForce Game Ready Driver | 431.60 | Windows 10 64-bit | NVIDIA

Download the English (US) GeForce Game Ready Driver for Windows 10 64-bit systems. Released 2019.7.23

www.nvidia.com

Any specific reason for using a driver from 2018?

Hello guys, downgrading the driver was part of the debug process, please take a look a post or two above. I'm about to throw the towel and sell parts on eBay. First time i'm seeing something like this.

 

[Grog6]

The CPU-z shot says it's in x16 mode, IDK why.

But the fill rates, and all the other specs seem to say it should work fine.

Those are slightly better numbers than I have from mt RX480; and it hits over 60Hz in Crysis, with everything at max.
The only thing I have faster is Bandwidth, but that's due to wider bus size. (192 vs 256)

Weird problem; I'm sorry I can't help.

 

[toad418]

The CPU-z shot says it's in x16 mode, IDK why.

But the fill rates, and all the other specs seem to say it should work fine.

Those are slightly better numbers than I have from mt RX480; and it hits over 60Hz in Crysis, with everything at max.
The only thing I have faster is Bandwidth, but that's due to wider bus size. (192 vs 256)

Weird problem; I'm sorry I can't help.

It's BIOS related. I really don't know what i've changed, I played with it a lot. But it seems to have improved

Will share as soon as I know exactly what that garbage is.

 

[toad418]

OK so first, big thanks to @Grog6 for trying to help me the best he could. I really appreciate it man.

So to all of you that bought or plan to buy a Supermicro X8DTL serie mainboard (X8DTL-3F, X8DTL-iF etc...) and you get really crappy gaming result, you have to keep one thing in mind: these boards are made for server purposes. I'm not talking about CPU performances for gaming vs server uses; we already know that these Xeon are good at gaming. i'm talking about the BIOS configuration of the board. Man, seriously, I almost pulled the trigger on that one; was really going to sell everything in parts on eBay.

So, the crappy gaming performances (ultra low FPS) all come from one thing: BIOS settings.

Update: After a few hours of activating, desactivating stuff, here's are the perfect BIOS combination:

1) Desactivate onboard VGA / SAS with the jumpers
2) Go into BIOS, load ''optimize default'' settings using F9.
3) Still into BIOS, go to ''advanced'', then ''processor and clock''. Enable ''AES-NI'', ''C1 Auto Demotion'' and ''C3 Auto Demotion''.

That's it.

Keep that CPU1 temp low and also the Northbridge heatsink (big aluminium one) by putting a fan close to it or even better, directly on it if you can. Putting a new thermal pad under that northbridge heatsink is a really good idea. This way I achived over 100FPS (1080p, ultra-high settings) with 2x Xeon 5690 + GTX1060 in all games I tried so far

 

[Edwired]

Seems like something in the bios is making a mess with low fps. As it could be anything from missing microcode, intel power saving features, ram timings not happy with the cpu as it could be driver related or even worse it could be cpu problems. My main guess could be ram timing or motherboard problem like i had non stop problems with asus p5q premium it was falling all over the place

 

[Grog6]

The C states were the deal, I'd bet, with the Default setting being a close second. There's a bunch of stuff the bios pulls from tables, and if that doesn't batch your processor, it flakes.

Those C-states are where the processor will insert halt states into high-bandwidth applications to save power. I'll bet it thought your game was a bandwidth hog, lol.

Especially if a thermal envelope is hit, and servers are notoriously bad about thinking 65-70C is too hot, lol.


I built a Z8PE-D18 with 2 5690 processors, a HD7970 video card, and 96GB of registered memory; it was a beast.

I added huge heat pipe heatsinks, and put a fan on every heatsink on the board; the SAS PIKE card ran so hot, I had to add a push fan out the back of the chassis to keep it cool.

SAS hard drives are nice; 12k spins are low latency, but they're loud. SDD's are nice, but when they fail, they're gone, the freezer trick doesn't work.

We were doing calculations 24/7 for growing crystals, it ran all threads at full speed for over 8 years, with no downtime other than cleaning/swapping fans.

When I built it, I ran Crysis on it just to see, and with the 7970 it played very well, much better than the oced 920 I was running at the time.

 

[Edwired]

Interesting to know