Xeon Owners Club

[lexluthermiester]

Was just about to post this vid.

 

[phill]

Still meaning to get one of these CPUs!! Think it would go quite nicely with my EVGA Dark board

 

[Dinnercore]

Does anyone have experience or knowledge about 771 Xeons thermal specifications?

I found in the intel specs that Xeons like the X5270 have a very low max. tcase of 61°C. That is super low compared to the 775 C2Ds who are like 75°C for tcase.

I wonder if the Xeons actually are more vulnurable to temperatures or if they just chose this number to increase margins for stability.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Does anyone have experience or knowledge about 771 Xeons thermal specifications?

I found in the intel specs that Xeons like the X5270 have a very low max. tcase of 61°C. That is super low compared to the 775 C2Ds who are like 75°C for tcase.

I wonder if the Xeons actually are more vulnurable to temperatures or if they just chose this number to increase margins for stability.

Where Xeon CPU's are concerned, they are generally binned a step or two above the consumer grade products which means they have higher tolerances to voltage & temperature gradients, run faster & cooler at a given voltage and thus have a lower heat output. And as they are almost always made of the same substrate material and lithography process, they have the same, if not better, operating and max temp limits.

 

[Mr.Scott]

Where Xeon CPU's are concerned, they are generally binned a step or two above the consumer grade products which means they have higher tolerances to voltage & temperature gradients, run faster & cooler at a given voltage and thus have a lower heat output. And as they are almost always made of the same substrate material and lithography process, they have the same, if not better, operating and max temp limits.

Exactly correct.
They're made to take a pounding.

 

[Dinnercore]

Thats kinda what I thought, but I was wondering why intel would market them as more fragile.

Anyway, the dual core Xeons behave weird. I currently compare one 1:1 with a 45nm C2D and a 45nm X5270 and its super strange. The C2D has far less power draw at a given voltage. The whole system with the C2D is 75W idle and 110W load with 1.45Vcore.
The Xeon on the other hand has the system at 115W idle and 160W load.

Temperatures reflect the different power draw as the C2D is rather cool while the Xeon gets hot fast.

They must have changed a lot internally during revisions for this generation.

 

[Toothless]

Thats kinda what I thought, but I was wondering why intel would market them as more fragile.

Anyway, the dual core Xeons behave weird. I currently compare one 1:1 with a 45nm C2D and a 45nm X5270 and its super strange. The C2D has far less power draw at a given voltage. The whole system with the C2D is 75W idle and 110W load with 1.45Vcore.
The Xeon on the other hand has the system at 115W idle and 160W load.

Temperatures reflect the different power draw as the C2D is rather cool while the Xeon gets hot fast.

They must have changed a lot internally during revisions for this generation.

Cache difference? Ram support difference? There's gotta be an explanation for the power pull.

 

[Dinnercore]

Cache difference? Ram support difference? There's gotta be an explanation for the power pull.

E8500 and X5270. Same Cache size. Same FSB rating. Different max. temps and different power draw. Actually less voltage allowed on the Xeon part while having a higher TDP. There most be something additional with these Xeons that the consumer chips lack.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

/Mabe a bit off topic but I want to share this with you guys/
As BIG NAVI release approach I expecting that prices for used GPU's are going to go down so I decide to sell my RX 480 Red Devil because it's still have a good price where I live(sold for 125€),meanwhile I found Good deal for R9 Fury Sapphire Nitro(75€)...yeah I know it's power hungry and have 4Gb only(tho it is HBM) but it is a MONSTER of a card and I always wanted to take a hand on one of those....here some comparison between these 2 cards....And yeah my beloved Xeon 2650 V2 have no trouble at all to push to the limit both of those cards....

I notice that Fury is especially good in higher resolution(playing on triple screen)also there are much better "lows"then RX 480...I managed to OC this card a bit so it's almost hitting 1100Mhz with 545Mhz on HBM while knows to pull sometimes around 300W from the wall which is almost double then RX 480.....
In short I LOVE this card a lot.... do I recommended Fury?Well if you get a good deal and only if you are tech-nerd that love to play occasionally some games then yeah sure you can go for it....otherwise nah polaris is still a really good choice.....

 

[silentbogo]

And yeah my beloved Xeon 2650 V2 have no trouble at all to push to the limit both of those cards....

Before I moved my E5-2660 machine to my apartment, I had it paired with 1060 6G in the office. Also didn't see any noticeable bottlenecks, especially on a cheap BenQ 1080p 60Hz IPS monitor.
More than enough to play DOOM 2016, or blow off some dust off pre-2015 titles(which is about 90% of my Steam library). Now I switched to GT1030, cause I only need a GPU to POST in headless mode, but I have a crazy idea of snatching up my friend's P104-100 mining card and use it as remote gaming PC or practice some CUDA/GPGPU programming.

 

[Edwired]

Only issue about the mining card you need custom drivers but it would be far behind due to current latest drivers now. It not worth having it in the system as linus on youtube did demonstrated it

 

[Caring1]

Before I moved my E5-2660 machine to my apartment, I had it paired with 1060 6G in the office. Also didn't see any noticeable bottlenecks, especially on a cheap BenQ 1080p 60Hz IPS monitor.
More than enough to play DOOM 2016, or blow off some dust off pre-2015 titles(which is about 90% of my Steam library). Now I switched to GT1030, cause I only need a GPU to POST in headless mode, but I have a crazy idea of snatching up my friend's P104-100 mining card and use it as remote gaming PC or practice some CUDA/GPGPU programming.

I picked up an ASUS P104-100 with the same intent of trying gaming on it, but standard drivers show no output on the one HDMI port it has.
If you find working drivers can you post them?

 

[silentbogo]

I picked up an ASUS P104-100 with the same intent of trying gaming on it, but standard drivers show no output on the one HDMI port it has.
If you find working drivers can you post them?

My buddy's card has no outputs at all (it's a triple-fan Gigabyte).
As far as I know that video output is disabled(same w/ MSI and others), and the only way to use it on a "normal" PC, is through iGPU (optimus, or win10 new dual-graphics features).
Another thing to note, is that NVEnc is also gone, so no acceleration and probably no screen capture.

 

[lexluthermiester]

My buddy's card has no outputs at all (it's a triple-fan Gigabyte).
As far as I know that video output is disabled(same w/ MSI and others), and the only way to use it on a "normal" PC, is through iGPU (optimus, or win10 new dual-graphics features).
Another thing to note, is that NVEnc is also gone, so no acceleration and probably no screen capture.

Seems like a waste of a card for anything but mining...

 

[Edwired]

Yeah that all is use for mining nothing else so it pretty much paperweight by the look of things

 

[silentbogo]

Seems like a waste of a card for anything but mining...

Those are probably rejects with defective parts, hence some QoL parts are missing. It's still fine for some gaming if you have iGPU. As far as my research went, the only games and software that may cause problems is the ones with overlays(e.g. you have to disable Shadowplay, FRAPS, Steam overlay, Afterburner etc. just to be on a safe side). I thought linux would be better in that regard, but unfortunately no...

 

[Edwired]

If only one person has the exact mining card and graphic card and compare the pcb layout so see what missing and if the chip is the same or different. Same goes for the bios if anything is missing there as that all I can think of but it isn't worth spending money on mining gpu whatsoever unless it is an actual graphic card but it like opening a can of worms

 

[silentbogo]

If only one person has the exact mining card and graphic card and compare the pcb layout so see what missing and if the chip is the same or different. Same goes for the bios if anything is missing there as that all I can think of but it isn't worth spending money on mining gpu whatsoever unless it is an actual graphic card but it like opening a can of worms

There were a few people that tried modding P106-100 into GTX1060, including full transplant of HDMI/DP circuit, but all of them failed to higher or lesser degree. But I still wouldn't say they are useless.
CUDA still works, so you can use it as a cheap-ass compute accelerator for, let's say, hashcat or jtr.

Also, I was wrong about Linux and VNC. Just stumbled upon this cool article. Apparently it all works on stock drivers, no modifications required. Still no NVenc, but everything else seems to be in order.

https://ncrmnt.org/2019/08/04/linux-gaming-with-p106-100/

 

[Caring1]

I had read an article about running a P104 with a 1080 in SLI and it worked.
But I don't have a 1080 to try it with.

 

[phill]

As I was able to share the last buy with you all, here's another one I'll be throwing in another Xeon into....



Comes complete as far as I know, just a little frustrated that the CPU socket had some paste on two of the pins and the seller didn't mention it... I'll be dropping him a message tomorrow... Otherwise.... Here's hoping it works!!

 

[bobbybluz]

Paste is a lot easier to clean off than fixing bent pins.

 

[phill]

Paste is a lot easier to clean off than fixing bent pins.

Sure is, I hope it's that simple as well

 

[Dinnercore]

As I was able to share the last buy with you all, here's another one I'll be throwing in another Xeon into....

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Comes complete as far as I know, just a little frustrated that the CPU socket had some paste on two of the pins and the seller didn't mention it... I'll be dropping him a message tomorrow... Otherwise.... Here's hoping it works!!

My wallet has seen the look I gave this beauty and started to sweat. What a nice board, not just the features but the looks!

 

[Edwired]

@phill Abit of brake cleaner or electronic spray will clear out the paste but have the board sitting at an angle so it can run off the board as it works wonders for me

 

[Mr Bill]

My wallet has seen the look I gave this beauty and started to sweat. What a nice board, not just the features but the looks!

I agree! what an awesome looking board.