Xeon Owners Club

[lexluthermiester]

It's getting near the time to redo the thermal paste (Gelid GC Extreme) on my Asus X99 Deluxe rig. I'm debating swapping out the 5960X in it for an E5 2683 V4 I have on hand. Twice the cores at half the speed. I looked on Ebay and the 5960X prices have dropped like a rock while the 2683 V4's are holding steady at what they were a year ago.

Audio and video production work. I know the Xeon is more efficient in that department plus runs cooler.

Good choice for your usage needs.

 

[bobbybluz]

Transplant complete. First test run in Nero Recode and Sound Forge Pro 15.0 showed a massive drop in temps while transcoding video. The 5960X usually ran around 135-138 degrees F under heavy load, the 2683 V4 showed a high of 72 degrees F. Twice the cores, half the temps at half the CPU speed but faster output.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Transplant complete. First test run in Nero Recode and Sound Forge Pro 15.0 showed a massive drop in temps while transcoding video. The 5960X usually ran around 135-138 degrees F under heavy load, the 2683 V4 showed a high of 72 degrees F. Twice the cores, half the temps at half the CPU speed but faster output.

Do some benchmarks...Cinebench,Passmark,Cpu-z,Aida 64...etc...and post results!!!

 

[bobbybluz]

Do some benchmarks...Cinebench,Passmark,Cpu-z,Aida 64...etc...and post results!!!

Passmark was disappointing, almost 2000 points less than the 5960X @4.7GHz. Oddly the 2683 V4 also scored nearly 1,000 points lower in the Asus X99 Deluxe than it did in the ASRock X99 Extreme4/3.1. My 14 core 2683 V3 did better in the ASRock mobo than the 16 core 2683 V4 did in the Asus board. Of course my 22 core 2699 V4 in the ASRock crushes them all by a wide margin. I'm taking today off from computers.

 

[masterdeejay]

My new budget toy... (to replace dual xeon 2643v3) ok not so budget but much cheaper than a new same performance gen ryzen. The mobo was 250 usd, but i cant find any cheaper. The cpu is borrowed but i also have an 6138 ES ~70 USD. This 5218R cpu is damaged (lost memory channel) but prime95 stable. The ram is from the replaced rig, and a few cheaper repaired modules from ebay. Cooler is new noctua nh-u14s dx-3647 (80 usd). Others are from the old rig.
The mobo it very flexible about the memory, i can use different rank/bank/size mixed modules! And one of my modules that not working (resoldered smd capacitor) in a chinese x99 motherboard it working in this mobo!

To do list:
Editing SPD because no bios overclocking for the 2133 rams. (to 2400-2666)
Find a way to force max turbo to more cores.
repair if possible the lost memory channel (if it is pin damaged)
Editing bios microcodes and disabling spectre/meltdown slowdown patch if needed (5218R is fixed, but 6138 is affected)

Bugs:
Fan control is bugged, it spins up and down because bios thinks it is too slow. (fan warnings on IPMI)
Idle power is too high ~150w on windows desktop but load power is fine 260w with prime95 stress test. Dont know what cause this.
Black screen on the radeon when booting/bios. (EFI bug?)

 

[SenditMakine]

My new budget toy... (to replace dual xeon 2643v3) ok not so budget but much cheaper than a new same performance gen ryzen. The mobo was 250 usd, but i cant find any cheaper. The cpu is borrowed but i also have an 6138 ES ~70 USD. This 5218R cpu is damaged (lost memory channel) but prime95 stable. The ram is from the replaced rig, and a few cheaper repaired modules from ebay. Cooler is new noctua nh-u14s dx-3647 (80 usd). Others are from the old rig.
The mobo it very flexible about the memory, i can use different rank/bank/size mixed modules! And one of my modules that not working (resoldered smd capacitor) in a chinese x99 motherboard it working in this mobo!
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To do list:
Editing SPD because no bios overclocking for the 2133 rams. (to 2400-2666)
Find a way to force max turbo to more cores.
repair if possible the lost memory channel (if it is pin damaged)
Editing bios microcodes and disabling spectre/meltdown slowdown patch if needed (5218R is fixed, but 6138 is affected)

Bugs:
Fan control is bugged, it spins up and down because bios thinks it is too slow. (fan warnings on IPMI)
Idle power is too high ~150w on windows desktop but load power is fine 260w with prime95 stress test. Dont know what cause this.
Black screen on the radeon when booting/bios. (EFI bug?)

What is the mobo model?

 

[masterdeejay]

What is the mobo model?

Supermicro X11SPM-F
It is an matx mobo but full 6 channel memory.
Max TDP is 165w. Supports cascade lake refresh with the new bios.

 

[SenditMakine]

Supermicro X11SPM-F
It is an matx mobo but full 6 channel memory.
Max TDP is 165w. Supports cascade lake refresh with the new bios.
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Nice acquisition! Congratulations

 

[masterdeejay]

Nice acquisition! Congratulations

Thanks!
There another one on sale (but ATX) in where i live but it is 82k HUF (~270 USD)
https://hardverapro.hu/apro/supermicro_x11spi-tf_2x10gbe/hsz_1-50.html
The s3647 platform is rare for a built workstation, that is why are a few used mobo for sale.
I hope that chinese make cheap motherboards for it like for the x79/x99.

 

[SenditMakine]

Thanks!
There another one on sale (but ATX) in where i live but it is 82k HUF (~270 USD)
https://hardverapro.hu/apro/supermicro_x11spi-tf_2x10gbe/hsz_1-50.html
The s3647 platform is rare for a built workstation, that is why are a few used mobo for sale.
I hope that chinese make cheap motherboards for it like for the x79/x99.

Yes Please! would love to have a xeon gold machine, the best thing about these chinese motherboard is the cheap price and newer technology that they love to crunch on these motherboard, some are garbage, mas some are just fine pieces of art

 

[Edwired]

My new budget toy... (to replace dual xeon 2643v3) ok not so budget but much cheaper than a new same performance gen ryzen. The mobo was 250 usd, but i cant find any cheaper. The cpu is borrowed but i also have an 6138 ES ~70 USD. This 5218R cpu is damaged (lost memory channel) but prime95 stable. The ram is from the replaced rig, and a few cheaper repaired modules from ebay. Cooler is new noctua nh-u14s dx-3647 (80 usd). Others are from the old rig.
The mobo it very flexible about the memory, i can use different rank/bank/size mixed modules! And one of my modules that not working (resoldered smd capacitor) in a chinese x99 motherboard it working in this mobo!
View attachment 194454View attachment 194455View attachment 194456
To do list:
Editing SPD because no bios overclocking for the 2133 rams. (to 2400-2666)
Find a way to force max turbo to more cores.
repair if possible the lost memory channel (if it is pin damaged)
Editing bios microcodes and disabling spectre/meltdown slowdown patch if needed (5218R is fixed, but 6138 is affected)

Bugs:
Fan control is bugged, it spins up and down because bios thinks it is too slow. (fan warnings on IPMI)
Idle power is too high ~150w on windows desktop but load power is fine 260w with prime95 stress test. Dont know what cause this.
Black screen on the radeon when booting/bios. (EFI bug?)

You got a right mess to do there. I didn't think that SPD editing would work at all like forcing the ram to go over the rated speed. I say it better to just buy the 2666mhz sticks

 

[bobbybluz]

I can only speak for my own experiences but as far as the X99 platform goes the fastest any RAM will run for an E5 V3 is 2133mhz and E5 V4 2400mhz. The limit on BLCK on my Asus and ASRock X99 mobos is 103.5 so you can gain a small extra bit of performance there. They won't boot past 103.5.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I can only speak for my own experiences but as far as the X99 platform goes the fastest any RAM will run for an E5 V3 is 2133mhz and E5 V4 2400mhz.

For stock speeds on OEM systems, this is generally correct. For DIY motherboards the story is different as RAM speeds are as customizable as most other DIY platforms.

 

[bobbybluz]

For stock speeds on OEM systems, this is generally correct. For DIY motherboards the story is different as RAM speeds are as customizable as most other DIY platforms.

I've tried setting the speeds higher on my Asus X99 Deluxe and ASRock X99 Extreme4/3.1 and other the what I get out of BLCK they just won't run any faster. The ASRock has 128GB of G.Skill DDR4 3200 C16 and I'd love to get it to run at that speed but it just won't.. It appears to be limited by the Xeon CPU. With an i7 Extreme Edition it'll run at 3200 though.

 

[Edwired]

I've tried setting the speeds higher on my Asus X99 Deluxe and ASRock X99 Extreme4/3.1 and other the what I get out of BLCK they just won't run any faster. The ASRock has 128GB of G.Skill DDR4 3200 C16 and I'd love to get it to run at that speed but it just won't.. It appears to be limited by the Xeon CPU. With an i7 Extreme Edition it'll run at 3200 though.

Which xeon cpu?

 

[bobbybluz]

Which xeon cpu?

E5 2683 V3, 2683 V4, 2699 V4. All X99. For my two X79 E5 1680 V2's though both the memory speed and multipliers are unlocked. From what I've read the speeds in the V3 and V4 are locked in the CPU itself. The BIOS turbo hack in the V3's doesn't work on V4's.

 

[lexluthermiester]

It appears to be limited by the Xeon CPU. With an i7 Extreme Edition it'll run at 3200 though.

Interesting. To be fair, my experience with 2011 v3 & v4 Xeons is limited, but I could swear that I'd seen a 2667v3 running 3200 ram at it's intended speed. Maybe it has to be ECC to run faster than 2400?

 

[Seven Eleven]

My other Proliant ML350 G6 as Rackversion :

with Intel Xeon X5660

 

[lexluthermiester]

My other Proliant ML350 G6 as Rackversion :

with Intel Xeon X5660

Bloody hell, that was loud! Sounds like a jet engine..

 

[stinger608]

Bloody hell, that was loud! Sounds like a jet engine..

I have a Dell 4U system that runs 4 Xeon's and during boot up you can't hardly stand to be in the same room it's so loud.

 

[SenditMakine]

Holy, my ml310e is just like that, it's horrible to watch it turn on lol

My other Proliant ML350 G6 as Rackversion :

with Intel Xeon X5660

 

[masterdeejay]

You got a right mess to do there. I didn't think that SPD editing would work at all like forcing the ram to go over the rated speed. I say it better to just buy the 2666mhz sticks

Buying anything that is only labeled faster (spd programmed) is a waste of money. (for me at least)
On x79 all of my ddr3 ecc reg stick are well overclockers. All of the 1066mhz modules stable at least 1600mhz, a lot of them are works 1866mhz. All of the 1333-1600 modules works 1866mhz!
So i think the 2133mhz ddr4 is overclockable at least 2400 or 2666.
It is very easy to find out, just searching the datasheet of the ram, you can find B die samsung ecc reg with 2133 stock speed but overclockable to 3000mhz.
But the server mobo cant force higher ram speeds just limiting it. That is why i need spd editing. I have a few edited ddr3 rams for the non overclocker x79/x99 mobos. But i dont have edited ddr4.
And this is a low-mid budget build, i only can buy the cheapest or repairable hardware. (Or find in trash)
2133 modules are cheap and common. I have one repaired 2666 module.

example the DDR3 ecc reg 800mhz have the same samsung D die as the 1866mhz!
ALL of my D dies samsung 1066mhz ecc reg works on 1866! Without errors on a few hours of memtest.

That is why most 2133 ecc reg ram will work at higher speeds i think. The manufacturer must make lower end modules, it sells better.

But this kind of things works on video ram as well, if you check the manufacturer datasheet you can find that you can overclock most older cards memory better if you editing the timings and overclock to the original spec.

But sometimes it is just not working that way.
Example an old 9600XT, it has 2.2ns memory that is ~900mhz on stock but the card is configured only to 600mhz. It is a big waste.
Two things happened here, first is the 2.2ns was cheaper when the card is made so downclocked to the 9600XT spec, the other is the 2.2ns ram cant handle the original spec 1000mhz and they used faulty rams that works on lower speed (and that is sucks). It overclocks only to 800mhz but is still it is fast for a 9600XT, when i edited the CAS timing (to the ram datasheet spec) with a bios editor it just throwing artifacts even on 600mhz. The 9600 gpu simply can not handle different CAS timings.

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[KLiKzg]

My other Proliant ML350 G6 as Rackversion :

with Intel Xeon X5660

This one EATS little children for breakfast.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I have a Dell 4U system that runs 4 Xeon's and during boot up you can't hardly stand to be in the same room it's so loud.

I've heard one like that. You have that in your home? You're brave...

 

[Edwired]

Jeez the noises off the fans is mental anyone using that end up going deaf in a few months

Buying anything that is only labeled faster (spd programmed) is a waste of money. (for me at least)
On x79 all of my ddr3 ecc reg stick are well overclockers. All of the 1066mhz modules stable at least 1600mhz, a lot of them are works 1866mhz. All of the 1333-1600 modules works 1866mhz!
So i think the 2133mhz ddr4 is overclockable at least 2400 or 2666.
It is very easy to find out, just searching the datasheet of the ram, you can find B die samsung ecc reg with 2133 stock speed but overclockable to 3000mhz.
But the server mobo cant force higher ram speeds just limiting it. That is why i need spd editing. I have a few edited ddr3 rams for the non overclocker x79/x99 mobos. But i dont have edited ddr4.
And this is a low-mid budget build, i only can buy the cheapest or repairable hardware. (Or find in trash)
2133 modules are cheap and common. I have one repaired 2666 module.

example the DDR3 ecc reg 800mhz have the same samsung D die as the 1866mhz!
ALL of my D dies samsung 1066mhz ecc reg works on 1866! Without errors on a few hours of memtest.
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That is why most 2133 ecc reg ram will work at higher speeds i think. The manufacturer must make lower end modules, it sells better.

But this kind of things works on video ram as well, if you check the manufacturer datasheet you can find that you can overclock most older cards memory better if you editing the timings and overclock to the original spec.

But sometimes it is just not working that way.
Example an old 9600XT, it has 2.2ns memory that is ~900mhz on stock but the card is configured only to 600mhz. It is a big waste.
Two things happened here, first is the 2.2ns was cheaper when the card is made so downclocked to the 9600XT spec, the other is the 2.2ns ram cant handle the original spec 1000mhz and they used faulty rams that works on lower speed (and that is sucks). It overclocks only to 800mhz but is still it is fast for a 9600XT, when i edited the CAS timing (to the ram datasheet spec) with a bios editor it just throwing artifacts even on 600mhz. The 9600 gpu simply can not handle different CAS timings.

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