Xeon Owners Club

[Toothless]

Ah! There's the missing variable in this equation. Engineering samples, while generally stable for everyday use, do tend to have quirks like this. Perhaps the IMC's on them aren't quite perfected in that revision of the dies.

Which is fine. For a dualie 4ghz on both is not too bad.

 

[freeagent]

I agree.. I had a 970 before my X5690 ES.. the ES has some quirks. I thought it was just me.. pretty sure its nope. it liked certain bclk/uncore/cpu multis more than others. Its kind of a weird.. I had to use a calculator a lot lol.. I sort of got used to it but it made me second guess myself or other components. I would like to get a 980 or 990X for my R3F. If I were to get another Xeon.. it wouldn't be another ES unless she was a fine example, and it would be fully unlocked so I can run ram faster than 1K comfortably.. but you have to give up some uncore so I don't know.. I'll stress about it when I get one

 

[Toothless]

I agree.. I had a 970 before my X5690 ES.. the ES has some quirks. I thought it was just me.. pretty sure its nope. it liked certain bclk/uncore/cpu multis more than others. Its kind of a weird.. I had to use a calculator a lot lol.. I sort of got used to it but it made me second guess myself or other components. I would like to get a 980 or 990X for my R3F. If I were to get another Xeon.. it wouldn't be another ES unless she was a fine example, and it would be fully unlocked so I can run ram faster than 1K comfortably.. but you have to give up some uncore so I don't know.. I'll stress about it when I get one

My R3F loves the x5675 in there. I think I got a good chip minus the voltage requirement.

 

[Edwired]

You still having trouble with the dualie setup @Toothless. What is the actual problems you having wlth it. You know the huge voltages don't fix the issues in the first place. Along with engineering samples chips I usually avoid them at all costs otherwise you be digging a never ending hole

 

[Toothless]

You still having trouble with the dualie setup @Toothless. What is the actual problems you having wlth it. You know the huge voltages don't fix the issues in the first place. Along with engineering samples chips I usually avoid them at all costs otherwise you be digging a never ending hole

There's always going to be trouble with it. It runs, it does what I need it to, and it's fine. It's just like an old truck.

 

[Edwired]

I see it might well be the cpu giving you the stick when you forcing it to do something that it don't like. Never mind the time you spend on it. It like an old saying if it isn't broke, don't fix it. But you have already poked it abit too much

 

[Toothless]

I see it might well be the cpu giving you the stick when you forcing it to do something that it don't like. Never mind the time you spend on it. It like an old saying if it isn't broke, don't fix it. But you have already poked it abit too much

It's technically never been fixed besides when I replaced the cpu jumpers. It's just my moodiest lover in the house, which is great news for my girlfriend.

 

[Edwired]

You better off spending time with the actual girlfriend and leave the computer alone otherwise one or the other is going to walk out the door without a note

 

[Toothless]

You better off spending time with the actual girlfriend and leave the computer alone otherwise one or the other is going to walk out the door without a note

Uh, sure, whatever you say captain.

My hardware time is when we're not at home, at the same time. We have opposite schedules and yet we make it all work out. She plays her games when I'm working and vice-versa. Don't worry about how I spend my time.

 

[Edwired]

@Toothless the problem is right in front of you as you aren't reading or processing it correctly.......
.

 

[biffzinker]

I wouldn’t keep pestering him about it.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

1.7v on RAM?!? That IMC must be roasting!

Actually ddr3 can handle silly amounts of voltage some people claim they OC they ram and push the voltage all the way up to the 2V and never have the problems....me personally I will try to stay bellow 1,75V but also in my experience with the X58&X79 when I have all slots occupied my ram is just asking for higher Voltage....

 

[Toothless]

Actually ddr3 can handle silly amounts of voltage some people claim they OC they ram and push the voltage all the way up to the 2V and never have the problems....me personally I will try to stay bellow 1,75V but also in my experience with the X58&X79 when I have all slots occupied my ram is just asking for higher Voltage....

That's probably why I forgot my ram voltage. The ECC stuff was moody the entire time I used it unless it sat at 1.7v.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

That's probably why I forgot my ram voltage. The ECC stuff was moody the entire time I used it unless it sat at 1.7v.

It should be safe on that V no worries also you can maybe crank up qpi V to make your ram more stable.....even if it stays at 1280Mhz that's still good enough speed considering that you have triple channel also if you must stay at that speed at least you can try to tighten your memory timings....

 

[Toothless]

It should be safe on that V no worries also you can maybe crank up qpi V to make your ram more stable.....even if it stays at 1280Mhz that's still good enough speed considering that you have triple channel also if you must stay at that speed at least you can try to tighten your memory timings....

Most likely on the timings. I'm just tired of messing with it and started other project since then. Maybe one day I'll get back into that bios but for now, it's WCG here and there.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Most likely on the timings. I'm just tired of messing with it and started other project since then. Maybe one day I'll get back into that bios but for now, it's WCG here and there.

Well I been using my old 1333Mhz ram now for years and this is actually 3rd RIG with the same ram...I actually just adding more&more to cover my needs ATM I am using 34Gb(3x8,5x2)and its OC a bit and working on 1550Mhz with 9-9-9-30 timings....I reckon soon I will go for 1 more 8gb stick to have 40gb....as I tested I figure that 2 sticks of those 8 just can't handle 1866mhz when I OC so maybe I will switch those also in the future but honestly that's not high priority on my list as this RIG working just great as it is.......

 

[Edwired]

There's had to be a point where voltages needed to be monitored by digital multi meter (dmm) otherwise someone going to be banging their head against the wall not knowing what is really going through the ram and qpi

 

[freeagent]

QPI sags like a mofo on my Gigabyte UD5. Jeebus it was terrible for that. So dont be shy with the QPI guys. Even my R3F sagged when I first fired it up, it has an LN2 jumper to suck up the sag, and it has been enabled since day one. You wont hurt anything with 1.35-1.425 QPI. Populate all dimms needs a bit more juice yes.. 1.725 OK for 24/7.

 

[Ruru]

Just realized that my X3230 is G0 stepping so I guess I could try running it with lower voltage than the 1.36V it's currently running as it's only at 3.33GHz (10x333). With stock cooler (tho the old good thicc one) it's kinda hot after all..

 

[Edwired]

QPI sags like a mofo on my Gigabyte UD5. Jeebus it was terrible for that. So dont be shy with the QPI guys. Even my R3F sagged when I first fired it up, it has an LN2 jumper to suck up the sag, and it has been enabled since day one. You wont hurt anything with 1.35-1.425 QPI. Populate all dimms needs a bit more juice yes.. 1.725 OK for 24/7.

I suppose the ln2 is abit risky as it usually overvolt at a high rate. As Asus p6x58d-e I have has three of them cpu, qpi dram, dram bus. All these jumpers set in 1-2 is disabled. Some days soon I'm going to take out the board and find the voltage output points and attach a pcb with wires to the output to really see exactly what going on with voltages. It isn't clear why voltage droop/overshoot is happening even with or without overvoltage enabled

 

[freeagent]

My board just has it on the QPI, disabled it was like my UD5 was, enabled it was a rock star

Not really.. but it was a big difference iirc.

So I just left it like that.. I enabled it shortly after I powered the board up for the first time

 

[lexluthermiester]

Actually ddr3 can handle silly amounts of voltage some people claim they OC they ram and push the voltage all the way up to the 2V and never have the problems....me personally I will try to stay bellow 1,75V but also in my experience with the X58&X79 when I have all slots occupied my ram is just asking for higher Voltage....

True. Not worried about the RAM itself, it's the IMC's that I worry about. Those early IMC's on the 1156/1366 platforms were sensitive to voltage in a way that could outright kill the CPU. 1.7v applied to the RAM is applied through the IMC and is a dangerous amount of voltage, even with very good cooling. These are my concerns. I would hate to see someone fry their CPU for such a reason...

 

[SeanBeanDiesInTheEnd]

My R3F loves the x5675 in there. I think I got a good chip minus the voltage requirement.

It's crazy to think 'if' these 1366 chips carried AVX instructions we could essentially have a system good till 2030. Talk about getting your money's worth, sadly developers are getting lazy and just assume everyone's got the latest. Bless the mess that was CP2077, but at least the developers patched and added our chips to play the game, not like death stranding and horizon 0 dawn.

Order placed for the x5675 btw! Ended up going through "amazon renewed" here in Canada for $50 pesos. Worst case it craps, it carries a 90 day warranty and Amazon customer service has been good even years later to refund me $ for things that failed. Yes, I got refunded for a toilet canister gasket LOL. Should be a sweet upgrade and keep up with my 1660s.

My bad. I forgot you were on a 920.
In answer to your question though, some boards/CPU's just plain don't respond well to high bclk. 200 or better is usually an exceptional board. Voltage doesn't mean that much as long as you can keep it cool.
I was just giving you another avenue to try.

Tried out of curiosity btw yesterday your suggestion of 21x181, BSOD'd running P95 at the hour mark. Increasing the QPI/DRAM Core voltage from 1.36 to 1.38 allowed it to run stable for 3 hours till I went to bed. Comparing 19x200 and the 21x181 for 3.8GHz I think 19x200 is more efficient, plus it allows the the 1600 rated G.skill RAM I have to run at it's rated speeds.

Appreciate the suggestion brother

 

[Toothless]

It's crazy to think 'if' these 1366 chips carried AVX instructions we could essentially have a system good till 2030. Talk about getting your money's worth, sadly developers are getting lazy and just assume everyone's got the latest. Bless the mess that was CP2077, but at least the developers patched and added our chips to play the game, not like death stranding and horizon 0 dawn.

Order placed for the x5675 btw! Ended up going through "amazon renewed" here in Canada for $50 pesos. Worst case it craps, it carries a 90 day warranty and Amazon customer service has been good even years later to refund me $ for things that failed. Yes, I got refunded for a toilet canister gasket LOL. Should be a sweet upgrade and keep up with my 1660s.


Tried out of curiosity btw yesterday your suggestion of 21x181, BSOD'd running P95 at the hour mark. Increasing the QPI/DRAM Core voltage from 1.36 to 1.38 allowed it to run stable for 3 hours till I went to bed. Comparing 19x200 and the 21x181 for 3.8GHz I think 19x200 is more efficient, plus it allows the the 1600 rated G.skill RAM I have to run at it's rated speeds.

Appreciate the suggestion brother

Was gonna test that, but remembered I put the 1070 on my 3930k rig. I need more gpus I swear.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I need more gpus I swear.

Don't we all? GPU market really sucks...