Xeon Owners Club

[DR4G00N]

21x is unusable on the X5650, base multi is 20x, all core turbo is 22x, single 23x.
Odd or even multi difference was only for bloomfields IIRC, Gulftown/Westmere doesn't care.

 

[Cjkeenan]

Hi guys, I hope someone can help me. I recently upgraded my ASUS Rampage IV Extreme (BIOS 4901) build from a i7-3930K to a E5-1680V2 that I found on eBay. It was fine, it POSTed the first boot, Windows had no issues, but then I noticed that at seemingly random intervals, the screen would look like the picture below, and after a couple of seconds go black but the PC is still on, and I must manually reset the computer to recover.

First thinking it was either my OC, GPU, or motherboard, I disabled all OC's and tried my GPU in another PCIe x16 slot and the same issue appeared, then I tried DDU'ing my GPU driver, no luck, and finally I tried a Windows reinstall multiple times, paying special attention to which drivers got installed as Windows has me download chipset drivers, same issue with or without new chipset drivers. So, thinking it was my GPU, I tried my brother's spare working GTX 1070 in both PCIe x16 slots and the same issue persisted even after a DDU. I then reinstalled my old 3930K and under the same workload that would cause a crash (MSFS 2020 downloading game files) there were no issues. So, thinking it was just a bad stock from eBay, I contacted the seller and he said I could do an exchange if I pay for shipping back, which I did, and then I installed the "new" CPU (which indeed appeared to be a different stock that what I sent) and the same issues popped up. I have tried both Windows 10 Home and Windows 10 Pro thinking it might be a Home/Xeon issue, but no luck.

Specs
Motherboard: ASUS Rampage IV Extreme (BIOS 4901)
RAM: 64GB Corsair Vengeance Pro DDR3 at stock speeds (not XMP)
GPU: EVGA GTX 1070 FE or PNY GTX 1070 XLR8
Expansion Cards: EVGA Nu Audio Pro 7.1 (Main and Daughter Card), TP-Link Archer TX3000E WiFi Card

I am just posting here because this seems to be the only sort of active place left that is talking about Xeon's and I am just at the end of my rope. From everywhere I have seen online, this setup should be working even though it is technically not on the QVL of the motherboard (E5-1660 V2 is though).

Thanks to anyone who can provide any guidance.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I then reinstalled my old 3930K and under the same workload that would cause a crash (MSFS 2020 downloading game files) there were no issues. So, thinking it was just a bad stock from eBay, I contacted the seller and he said I could do an exchange if I pay for shipping back, which I did, and then I installed the "new" CPU (which indeed appeared to be a different stock that what I sent) and the same issues popped up.

With your i7 working fine but the Xeon glitching, you may have a stability issue.

From everywhere I have seen online, this setup should be working even though it is technically not on the QVL of the motherboard (E5-1660 V2 is though).

I checked the CPU support chart on ASUS.com;

RAMPAGE IV EXTREME - Support

www.asus.com

The 1680V2 is not in that list. I wonder if perhaps for a reason? As a general rule if one model of a CPU family is supported, they all are. Perhaps there's an exception going on with that model?

BTW, welcome to TPU. Hope we can help you find solution.

 

[Ruru]

With your i7 working fine but the Xeon glitching, you may have a stability issue.

I checked the CPU support chart on ASUS.com;

RAMPAGE IV EXTREME - Support

www.asus.com

The 1680V2 is not in that list. I wonder if perhaps for a reason? As a general rule if one model of a CPU family is support they all are. Perhaps there's an exception going on with that model?

BTW, welcome to TPU. Hope we can help you find solution.

Though weird that there's other 8C CPUs but yeah, that Xeon is not listed there. Even 10/12C Xeons are supported.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Though weird that there's other 8C CPUs but yeah, that Xeon is not listed there. Even 10/12C Xeons are supported.

Right? Leaves us to wonder what is different about the 1680V2 that is causing the issue..

 

[Cjkeenan]

Right? Leaves us to wonder what is different about the 1680V2 that is causing the issue..

Yeah, I know it is very weird, according to this the only supported motherboards are Intel S1600JP2 and Intel S1600JP4 which I find extremely hard to believe.

Also thanks for the welcome. I really hope you guys can help because I feel like I have troubleshooted basically everything and still nothing...

I found this OC tutorial and I have basically the exact same setup except better RAM

I am at the point now where I will take any and all suggestions including buying a new CPU. The buyer I got it from seems understanding and has no issues with a full refund which is nice. For anyone thinking about it, the only way that I seem to be able to reproduce the crash is when I am downloading something at full bandwidth (300Mbps) through my pcie wifi card. So my current theory is something PCIe related?

 

[bobbybluz]

I have two 1680 V2 rigs using Asus Sabertooth X79 mobos. One is a daily driver and both are rock solid at 4.5GHz. What you're describing is something I've never encountered as neither have add-in WiFi cards. Pull the card, go with wired Internet and see what happens. I know that years ago when I built the first one using 64GB of 1866 RAM the RAM Guy at Corsair told me to use 1.6 volts for stability. I had a 3930K in it then and got slightly over 5GHz out of it. Then came a 4960X @4.7GHz and finally two years ago I dropped the 1680 V2 in without changing anything in BIOS and it ran fine. I turned it down to 4.5GHz with 1.4 core volts and it's never crashed running Windows 7 Enterprise and later Win 10 Enterprise LTSC.

As far as I know the E5 1680 V2 was originally an OEM CPU used by Apple in Mac Pros. I never heard of them being offered in pre-built PC's. That's my guess as to why they're not listed on any consumer motherboard compatible CPU listings. They were also stupid expensive until the past couple of years. Today's prices on Ebay are 1/3 of what they were three years ago on the low end. I've seen them sell for $100 recently.

 

[Cjkeenan]

What you're describing is something I've never encountered as neither have add-in WiFi cards. Pull the card, go with wired Internet and see what happens.

I am willing to try like I said, but if I had the luxury of using a wired connection I would be. That is the unfortunate part of living in a house built in 1912. I will try and jerry rig something up tomorrow though and report back. Also if this does work, it does not really explain why the issue is not present on the 3930K.

My understanding is that the 1680 v2 is the best you can get on the X79 platform, but what would be one step down given your listed value of the 1680 v2 at $100? 4930K? 1660 v2? 4960X?

 

[Zyll Goliat]

I am willing to try like I said, but if I had the luxury of using a wired connection I would be. That is the unfortunate part of living in a house built in 1912. I will try and jerry rig something up tomorrow though and report back. Also if this does work, it does not really explain why the issue is not present on the 3930K.

My understanding is that the 1680 v2 is the best you can get on the X79 platform, but what would be one step down given your listed value of the 1680 v2 at $100? 4930K? 1660 v2? 4960X?

Well 1680 V2 is the BEST for the gaming on this platform because it's unlocked and you can easily OC beyond 4Ghz which basically means strong IPC but if you need to do other things beside gaming on your PC you can find CPU's with 12c/24t on this platform that are superior then 1680 V2 when it comes to the editing or any other apps that can fully utilized multicores.....
P.S.Your problem indeed looks very weird,did you check all your bios settings and tweak them to suits your new CPU?

 

[lexluthermiester]

As far as I know the E5 1680 V2 was originally an OEM CPU used by Apple in Mac Pros.

I've never heard that before. Kinda doubting it.

I never heard of them being offered in pre-built PC's.

They were. IIRC Dell, HP, Lenovo and others offered workstations with them installed.

 

[1freedude]

What about a bios retrograde? Wouldn't hurt anything. How far back, no clue

 

[Cjkeenan]

P.S.Your problem indeed looks very weird,did you check all your bios settings and tweak them to suits your new CPU?

I think so, I followed that guide basically to a tee minus the 4.4GHz just because I did not want to deal with that stability issue for now.

What about a bios retrograde? Wouldn't hurt anything. How far back, no clue

Yeah I could try that as well, I'll probably get to that this weekend.

 

[Edwired]

Something tells me about the e5 1680 V2 and ASUS Rampage IV Extreme are not talking to eachother correctly as I'm guessing it could be something relating with the bios applying something to get the weird glitching to happen. I would start downclocking the bclk/dram or other frequency settings one by one to see which one is doing that glitching issue as that where I would do if I had that set up

 

[Cjkeenan]

It just crashed using the onboard ethernet as well with a similar screen to my picture above. Onto BIOS rollback I go...

 

[Edwired]

It just crashed using the onboard ethernet as well with a similar screen to my picture above. Onto BIOS rollback I go...

Have you tried downclocking the graphics card memory speed and setting it on start with windows with the profile been selected. That picture looks like gpu memory failure showing corruptions. Do check the CPU for any discoloration on the pads and any missing caps this might be one of the clues.

 

[Toothless]

Current WIP. Funny enough that SSD helps keep the 7950 level.

It's a E5-1650 that I'd like to be a 1680v2 at some point, and to add another 2x4GB Sniper kit in there for 32GB and looks. Maybe a different cooler down the road but for now, it's just gonna sit there for a bit.

Sadly the USB 3.0 header has a bent pin, but fear not for I have USB 3.0 cards! I do quite enjoy this case though.

 

[RyzenMaster.sys]

Man this makes me want to get x79 even more.

Does it bclk oc as well as x58?

 

[Toothless]

Man this makes me want to get x79 even more.

Does it bclk oc as well as x58?

Not sure. I usually only do multi OC for anything x79 and up. I did get a bench twice on this 1650 at 4.9ghz, but will have to try again at some point. Nothing of mine on x79 bclk'd well.

 

[Ruru]

They can OC with BCLK IIRC. As i7-3820 is (at least partial) a locked chip but still overclockable.

Intel Core i7 3820 Review: $285 Quad-Core Sandy Bridge E

www.anandtech.com

 

[stinger608]

I do quite enjoy this case though.

I agree. I've got 2 of the HAF cases. One of them is the AMD special edition.

 

[RyzenMaster.sys]

I have a Cooler Master Haf XB Evo, the desktop style case. It houses a Phenom ii X6 right now.

I didn't know that the e5-1650 was unlocked. Interesting.

I am deathly allergic to chinesium "x79" boards, so i think I'm going to be keeping my eyes on the lookout for an x79 board soon.

 

[Toothless]

I have a Cooler Master Haf XB Evo, the desktop style case. It houses a Phenom ii X6 right now.

I didn't know that the e5-1650 was unlocked. Interesting.

I am deathly allergic to chinesium "x79" boards, so i think I'm going to be keeping my eyes on the lookout for an x79 board soon.

Those chinese boards are actually okay. I've seen quite a few people with them for single and dual sockets. Can't vouch for the overclocking but most are good for general use.

That 1650 will hit the 200w limit really quick, and I've been half tempted to raise that limit to see what happens.

 

[RyzenMaster.sys]

I've heard a lot of bad things about them. Things like not using x79 chipsets and instead using used b series or c series chipsets limiting feature support. No overclocking generally on cheaper ones at least, sometimes only dual channel ram support, etc. Also just poor reliability overall.

And that power consumption on some of the vrms I see on those boards? Yikes.

 

[Ruru]

I've heard a lot of bad things about them. Things like not using x79 chipsets and instead using used b series or c series chipsets limiting feature support. No overclocking generally on cheaper ones at least, sometimes only dual channel ram support, etc. Also just poor reliability overall.

And that power consumption on some of the vrms I see on those boards? Yikes.

Yeah it's mostly total lottery which chipset those actually use.

 

[Caring1]

I've heard a lot of bad things about them. Things like not using x79 chipsets and instead using used b series or c series chipsets limiting feature support. No overclocking generally on cheaper ones at least, sometimes only dual channel ram support, etc. Also just poor reliability overall.

And that power consumption on some of the vrms I see on those boards? Yikes.

All the listings I have seen on eBay usually show the chipset that is used.
I've just swapped out motherboards in my crunching PC but it was a Chinese X79 with a Xeon 1680 v2 and although it didn't have overclocking features in the Bios and it was basic, it was faultless running.